Red Steel for Wii is Hugely Disappointing

[Zeus]

Gamespot has reviewed the FPS for Wii called Red Steel. It was perhaps one of the first titles we all heard of for the Wii and seemed rather promising. Despite its promising control scheme, it is plagued by vast amounts of buggy gameplay and as a result has been awarded a 5.5/10. Look elsewhere!

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Red Steel isn't completely devoid of merit, but it's a half-baked, buggy game that feels rushed and poorly executed. There's a good concept in here somewhere, as a swords-and-guns shooter pitting you against yakuza villains certainly seems like it could be very exciting. However, the experience itself hardly fulfills any of the promises behind it. So if you're looking for an exciting new way to simulate gunning or cutting lots of dudes down using the Wii Remote, you'd best keep looking.


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[Mr Doctor]

No big surprise there, its looked utter rubbish from day one. No idea why people were wanting it so bad - the first breed of FPS games are all going to be rotten, if not all of them on the Wii. Its definately my least wanted genre on it - still cant wait for the rest of the non fps games though ^_^

[BuffaloBill]

This game, metroid, call of duty are all getting bashed on the Wii. I guess we are finding out that the Wii remote isn't as accurate as Nintendo said it was.

[Isako]

Oh man! I feel so unconfortable, I make a friend to buy this one in Amazon :(
¿will we have just Zelda on the launch?

[A-Rapture]

I have to call bullshit!!
I got to try this game out at our local gamestop and I can agree with the grafx not being on par with 360 and ps3 but the game it self was really neat and quite fun to play.
I didnt notice any controller problems at all.
Also when I say the grafx were not on par I dont mean they suck I just ment that its not as pritty as a game played in HD.
Really for this being on a weeker system without HD Nintendo sure did do a good job on the look of the games.
But I think for $250 for this Wii system and its only $50.00 cheaper then the 360 I think they could have done better much much better.
Nintendo could have easily match the power of the 360/ps3 but they cheaped out.

[Battlefield]

Why is only Sony fanboys commenting? haha

2 other Red Steel reviews.

eToychest 78 out of 100
Ngamer UK 90 out of 100

Seem to me that Gamespot overlooked something.
Gamespot always sucked so i never used them. when i check reviews, i check scores of 10 pages or so, but never gamespot as they dont know how to review games. Why didnt Maxconsole post Red Steel scores 2-3 days ago when others reviewed it? did they wait for 1 bad review?

As for controls..It is accurate.
Rayman, Zelda, Wii Bowling, Madden 2007 and Call of Duty 3 being the first.

As for Call of Duty 3, people choses Wii version over 360 and PS3 because its very interactice and way more fun than oldschool gamepad.

Metroid Prime 3 isnt even out until 2007..lol.. So why can it have inaccurate controls? There is NO review of that game until 2007..The game isnt even finished. DOH!

[MadonnaProject]

hahahahahahaha....oh my god, waches the nintendorks and the witards run around as if their worlds are falling apart....

hahahahahahaha....you sons of wh0res have been left for dead by this piece of garbage company more than 3 times now. and you still continue to support it. shame on you.

[daps83777]

yeah where are the bad reviews for metroid? the only thing i have seen CoD3 get knocked on is graphics on the Wii, everything else it got knocked for it got knocked for on the 360 and PS3. its CoD3 isn't getting amazing reviews for any of the consoles, it seems no one likes the fact you change what country your character is constantly.

as far as red steel, it seems that who reviews it makes a big difference, and its not like this game has got a single review as bad as gundam for PS3, in fact i think ign reviewed that game and gave it a 3.5, isn't that close to what 1up gave it? and the PS3 is supposedly so much better?

anyways.... like i said it depends on who reviews it, on gamerankings so far Red Steel has received the following scores:

Gamespot 5.5
Gamebrink 70/100
etoychest 78/100
nGamer UK 90/100

[BuffaloBill]

The Wii so far has 1 good game and its a gamecube game. $250 so that people can play zelda and its crappy graphics with a controller that doesn't even work right. Here are some quotes from Gamespot's Zelda review:

There's no finesse to the way the Wii Remote is used, and at times you'll wish that you could just hit a button to swing the sword instead of dealing with all the motion-sensing nonsense.

it's still a little disappointing that the series hasn't evolved much at all with this latest installment.

But once you get over the rush of excitement from a big, new Zelda game having finally arrived, it's hard not to feel a tinge of disappointment--there's a very noticeable lack of evolution here, which makes aspects of the game seem more dated than classic.

[Mr Doctor]

hahahahahahaha....you sons of wh0res have been left for dead by this piece of garbage company more than 3 times now. and you still continue to support it. shame on you.
Wait... isnt it sony thats screwed everyone over three times?

[Battlefield]

So why are other reviewers saying Zelda is a instant classic, true sequel to OOT and have accurate controls if its total crap?

Reading last lines..seems like that reviewer even hates Wii and wont like it no matter. Other reviewers isnt this narrow minded thou.

Like i always said..Gamespot started to suck in late 90's.
IGN suck too, but atleast you agree with most reviews there.

Wii controller IS accurate.. It all depends on the developers. Read IGN reviews from Matt.

Oh btw.. Resistance on PS3 got bad reviews too.

[Alucard77]

Buffalo Bill,

I really hate people who don't read and post false information. Where in the gamespot review does it bash the control system or the controller. It bashes the game design and not the controller.


Red Steel basically proves that the Wii Remote, in spite of its unconventional design, can do at least an adequate job of letting you control a first-person action game. And to some extent, the controls do feel novel, enough to help make a mediocre shooter seem at least somewhat special.

That to me says it all. This game sucks, but the controls make it worth playing. And show me some metroid reviews, as was asked by the previous poster.

In addition, your whole second post contradicts itself. First you say the only good game it has is Zelda, then you quote bad reviews. The Wiimote does whatever the game maker tells it to do.

All first gen stuff will be like this, however once companies find out how to do it right, then these issues will go away.

The Ps3 and 360 have the same type of issues.

[daps83777]

you quote seems to be for zelda, you quoted one of the only negative reviews i have read and it got an 8.5 in it i think. ign's reviewer claims it to be the greatest zelda game of all time. again its all opinion.

there are other good wii games, at least according to reviews, here is what Wii games are averaging on gamerankings, which makes a percentage based on the average of all the reviews in so far, all scores are out of 100%:

Super monkey Ball 77%
Madden 07 85%
Dragon Ball Z 86%
Tony Hawk Downhill Jam 85%
Trauma Center 81%
Wii Sports 81%
Rayman Raving Rabbits 84%
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 82%
Excite Truck 74%
Call of Duty 3 84%
Zelda 96.3%

its not about graphics its about fun, i didn't even show all the Wii game launch titles, but thats pretty impressive for a systems launch. and none of those games are getting 3's out of 10's like some of the PS3's. sure zelda is partially last gen, though the Wii version can run in 480p and widescreen, so it does look better than the GC version. the Wii isn't about graphics, if your a graphics whore than stop posting about the Wii because i could care less about your opinion. if you have something worth saying then i will listen.

[heman110]

The Wii so far has 1 good game and its a gamecube game. $250 so that people can play zelda and its crappy graphics with a controller that doesn't even work right. Here are some quotes from Gamespot's Zelda review:

Well i smell Retardboy aka Retromon, just by reading your stupid posts i know who you are, is it magic? No its because youre so simple minded :D

You didnt even played the Wii and try to be judge nor u cant read? LOL

[chukz]

hahahahahahaha....oh my god, waches the nintendorks and the witards run around as if their worlds are falling apart....

hahahahahahaha....you sons of wh0res have been left for dead by this piece of garbage company more than 3 times now. and you still continue to support it. shame on you.

LOL! this coming from the biggest idiot on this forums besides Noobus. Maxconsole take the 1 bad review of a Wii game and make it seem like it's the only one, meanwhile everywhere else gave it decent reviews. And you know what? It's still a 1st generation game! Look at all the PS3 first gen games, they are suffering from laggy play and other issues as well... but people like Noobus and MadonnaProjerk just look at 1 bad Wii review. 1st Gen games are never perfect, but if you average it all out, I bet all the Wii first gen games beat out the PS3 launch titles , as well as the Xbox360 launch titles. Imagine when game companies start perfecting the motion control, then you PS3/Xbox360 fanboys will surely be in trouble ;)

[Yokotuna]

The Wii so far has 1 good game and its a gamecube game. $250 so that people can play zelda and its crappy graphics with a controller that doesn't even work right. Here are some quotes from Gamespot's Zelda review:

What a douchebag. They gave the game an 8.8 so it was hardly a negative review. It's also higher than they gave " Resistance: Fall of Man" for the PS3, which is the systems supposed "killer app."

[SSChevy2001]

Wait... isnt it sony thats screwed everyone over three times?Try at least 4 times from all of them.

Sony Screw Ups
1) 1080p games not that I see ( It's not TRUE HD BS )
2) No upscaling and TV issues ( Not PS3 issue it's just our crappy TVs fault )
3) Its not fully backward compatible ( When Sony Co gets his flying car that makes lunch for him you'll get it. )
4) BluRay ups the price of the unit, causes delays, and causes long load times.

Nintendo Screw Ups
1) Wii remote is clumsy at times ( Less accruate gaming device which needs more auto aim help )
2) No DVD support. ( There making money on every unit, and can't add this. )
3) Virtual Console. ( So I have to buy the game all over again, no thanks )
4) Only 480p support ( This is so lastgen resolutions, to bad for HD owners )

Microsoft Screw Ups
1) Loud ass DVD noise, because no HD Caching ( Thanks stupid core units )
2) Red Lights of Death ( Not really cooling as much as production issues )
3) XBOX Compatibility Issues ( Not bad being MS had to emulate the xbox hardware )
4) Add on prices are to high

[Al3xand3r]

Yeah, I didn't see any of the idiots here post a reply on this thread:
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=36019

As for Call of Duty 3 here's a nice review:
http://pgnx.net/reviews.php?page=full&id=12656

And for Metroid Prime 3, how the hell do you claim bad reviews when it's not even released yet? It's coming in 2K7.

SSChevy2001 your Nintendo cons aren't all exactly logical.
Virtual Console - No, you don't HAVE to buy the games. If you have them, play on the systems you have them on. GameCube games work with the regular discs. The rest are downloadable so if you expected it for free, then you were simply doing wishful thinking.

Causes Injuries - Seriously what the ****? It was a damn joke article, get over it already. It mentioned CANCER and STRANGLING people with the cord for ****'s sake. You really think they were serious about it?

No DVD movie support - It's a games console, enough said.

480p - Last gen? I don't think all last gen systems had 480p widescreen support. And once again, the percentage of high def owners is tiny and will remain tiny for sometime.

[msanchez]

So you guys really care about this review thing? the only thing I would trust in a review are things like the game freezes or has droped frames or actual problems with the controls, not that "the controls aren't responsive enough" type of thing.

As far as fun goes, I like RPGs some people would rather shoot themselves in the foot then have to play an RPG, in other words different people like different things and nobody can have the last word on what's fun.

Why are people getting surprised the wii's graphics are not on par with the ps3/360? is it really a surprise?

Lastly the ps3 might not have any good launch games, but you gotta be a real moron to write it off because of that, this only means it will have a slow-er start, as much as I like the thing I would not dream of buying it now, but just like wii games will get better, ps3 games will get better, so before we crown the king of this gen lets wait at least until all the consoles develop. Come to think of it there's a lot of would be "analist" here, I think a lot of people here are going to end up working for merryl lynch and make psychic readings... I mean analyze data for them.

[SSChevy2001]

Yeah, I didn't see any of the idiots here post a reply on this thread:
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=36019

As for Call of Duty 3 here's a nice review:
http://pgnx.net/reviews.php?page=full&id=12656

And for Metroid Prime 3, how the hell do you claim bad reviews when it's not even released yet? It's coming in 2K7.

SSChevy2001 your Nintendo cons aren't all exactly logical.
Virtual Console - No, you don't HAVE to buy the games. If you have them, play on the systems you have them on. GameCube games work with the regular discs. The rest are downloadable so if you expected it for free, then you were simply doing wishful thinking.

Causes Injuries - Seriously what the ****? It was a damn joke article, get over it already. It mentioned CANCER and STRANGLING people with the cord for ****'s sake. You really think they were serious about it?

No DVD movie support - It's a games console, enough said.

480p - Last gen? I don't think all last gen systems had 480p widescreen support. And once again, the percentage of high def owners is tiny and will remain tiny for sometime.Well the Nintendo fanboy lashes out. Yes the controller thing was a joke, but I guess you couldn't figure that out.

The PS2 and the Xbox both had 480p so it is lastgen.
Movie support wouldn't cost much, nintendo is just a tight ass.
Virtual Console you do have the buy the games and for the people that already own a copy it is kind of dumb to buy something you already have.

Edit I made the proper change just for you in my previous post, but I'm sure you'll still deny the Wii has any problems. I might be a MS fanboy, but at least I can except the fact the 360 is not perfect.

[thePANICHIOteam]

hahahahahahaha....you sons of wh0res have been left for dead by this piece of garbage company more than 3 times now. and you still continue to support it. shame on you.
I wouldnt use those exact words. But i have to agree with your mad ramblings.

Evryone was talking about to 1 to 1 representatation etc.... Like i said before the wii remote and SIX AXIS are the same crap.

A PS3 is for life not just for christmas.....

Its just not going to be the same for the wii, its going to be outdated in record time.

[SSChevy2001]

I wouldnt use those exact words. But i have to agree with your mad ramblings.

Evryone was talking about to 1 to 1 representatation etc.... Like i said before the wii remote and SIX AXIS are the same crap.

A PS3 is for life not just for christmas.....

Its just not going to be the same for the wii, its going to be outdated in record time.All motion sensor / tilt remotes are crap and outdated. Not to mention the extra auto aim that's needed to make it work right. Rumble is a much better option anyway and makes the game feel more real. $hit the Wii was outdated before it's launch, now that's a record!

[Battlefield]

Why are you comparing Wii to PS3? Nintendo have released a new console long time before the next Sony anyways.

PS3 and 360 controls was outdated years ago.
Sony didnt even bother making 2 part controller with accelerometer etc.. for PS3 to make it true nextgen. Tilting control is so 1991.. (Amiga)

Gamecube had 480p support from launch day on most games. Do some research before claiming only PS2 and xbox had 480p. 80-90% of all GC games supports 480p.

Edit:
PS3 is outtdated gameplay-wise. GFX cant help ****.

[Yokotuna]

A PS3 is for life not just for christmas.....

Its just not going to be the same for the wii, its going to be outdated in record time.

What exactly would you consider "record time?" It takes time to develop games. Sony is expected to ship 2 million PS3's worldwide by the end of the year. Nintendo has promised 4 million. Both consoles are likely to sell out. This means the Wii's installed base willl be twice that of the PS3 by next year. Which system do you honestly believe developers will start making games for in 2007? They will be looking at installed base and profit potential, not graphics and horsepower. Everyone likes to say that it's software that wins console wars and the Wii is poised to dominate the software market, at least for the next year or two.

Meanwhile, Microsoft will also be selling a lot of units and developers making quality titles. They will continue to build on their installed base as well so, again, developers will be looking to the 360 for their titles.

Sony's shipping hiccups are what is going to hold the PS3 back. This isn't about graphics, horsepower, or two and three years from now. What happens this Christmas and next year is what will be the deciding factor on these console's longevity and Sony just can't produce enough of them to secure a solid position for the next year.

[zecht]

not since the snes has a system with the most power won a damn console war and even that had nothing to do with power because the snes had a very slim margin of victory in that dept. it was the genesis' pathetic excuse for a controller and weaker software lineup. not because of graphics or processing power. the facts are, the n64 was beat by the weaker psx, the gamecube and xbox was beat by the weaker ps2, the psp is being pounded in the ass by the less powerful ds, so to be quite honest, graphics have almost nothing to do with a console's success. as for the comments about how tilt sensing is "so dated" i couldn't agree more, so why sony implemented it into the ps3 controller is beyond me.

[Renegade_R]

I have a feeling like the Sony fanboy/fangirls are becoming like the Nintendo fanboys when the GameCube was announced. After two generations of disappointment, the Nintendo fanboys have become more rational. They don't go pouring over a single bad review and start saying the system as a whole sucks. But the Sony fanboys seem to be just like that now...as if the PS3 is their GameCube.

I'm speaking from a general perspective though. But I really feel that the statistics are right how the Sony fanboys have a higher attachment rate than Nintendo fans.

[MadonnaProject]

LOL! this coming from the biggest idiot on this forums besides Noobus. Maxconsole take the 1 bad review of a Wii game and make it seem like it's the only one, meanwhile everywhere else gave it decent reviews. And you know what? It's still a 1st generation game! Look at all the PS3 first gen games, they are suffering from laggy play and other issues as well... but people like Noobus and MadonnaProjerk just look at 1 bad Wii review. 1st Gen games are never perfect, but if you average it all out, I bet all the Wii first gen games beat out the PS3 launch titles , as well as the Xbox360 launch titles. Imagine when game companies start perfecting the motion control, then you PS3/Xbox360 fanboys will surely be in trouble ;)



look chicks, dont talk to me ok? soon youll be towed away to iraq and then youll die like a dog and ill end up feeling sorry for being mean to you. (not that id even care), but seriously. DONT.

go buy your wii, and play pokemon super fluffy sunflower seed quest, mario jump jump melody, metroid retardation, or zelda OLDcaina of time (remade for the wii with *GASP* a new sword for link, when you play the game 20 times, only unlocked on CERTAIN wii systems, where you need to pay 50 dollars to unlock the sword in the first place....

but hey its revolutionary and youll still be the happy little girl with your nunchuck/dildo attachment. and hey it vibrates. :)

[heman110]

Try at least 4 times from all of them.

Sony Screw Ups
1) 1080p games not that I see ( It's not TRUE HD BS )
2) No upscaling and TV issues ( Not PS3 issue it's just our crappy TVs fault )
3) Its not fully backward compatible ( When Sony Co gets his flying car that makes lunch for him you'll get it. )
4) BluRay ups the price of the unit, causes delays, and causes long load times.

Nintendo Screw Ups
1) Wii remote is clumsy at times ( Less accruate gaming device which needs more auto aim help )
2) No DVD support. ( There making money on every unit, and can't add this. )
3) Virtual Console. ( So I have to buy the game all over again, no thanks )
4) Only 480p support ( This is so lastgen resolutions, to bad for HD owners )

Microsoft Screw Ups
1) Loud ass DVD noise, because no HD Caching ( Thanks stupid core units )
2) Red Lights of Death ( Not really cooling as much as production issues )
3) XBOX Compatibility Issues ( Not bad being MS had to emulate the xbox hardware )
4) Add on prices are to high


A few things..

Since when do we all have LCD TV´s? Do we? Who is/was benefiting from 480p? So how could 480p be last gen if only a couple of people using this resolution and playing on normal TV´s instead? I bet u dont have a LCD TV ;)

Do you played with the Wii? I dont thinks so because everyone who has had a blast and said its accurate! So you judge without trying it yourself, god!

Who has no DVD Standalone? Really i dont know anyone who hasnt, so whats the benefit of integrating one? None!

Yes you have to pay for games? Unbelievable eh like on XBOX live Arcade and Sonys system.

Every Single con for the Wii is just stupid and shows that you just want to bash the console. Good thing is you will see the Wii triumph just like the DS did vs the PSP,even if it is as a 2nd console. Same talk as for the NDS and this one Sold out the PSP 5:1 mostly Worldwide :D

Think before u answer, then think again maybe you get to my point - even if it takes a while :D

[redferne]

Sony Screw Ups
1) 1080p games not that I see ( It's not TRUE HD BS )
2) No upscaling and TV issues ( Not PS3 issue it's just our crappy TVs fault )
3) Its not fully backward compatible ( When Sony Co gets his flying car that makes lunch for him you'll get it. )
4) BluRay ups the price of the unit, causes delays, and causes long load times.
1) Just give it time, they will arrive. Not Sony's fault but developer's.
2) This one is true.
3) Come on, compared to the backward compatibility on the Xbox 360, it's great.
4) I don't know for all game but Resistance write some datas on the HDD so the loading time are not longer than on 360.


Nintendo Screw Ups
1) Wii remote is clumsy at times ( Less accruate gaming device which needs more auto aim help )
2) No DVD support. ( There making money on every unit, and can't add this. )
3) Virtual Console. ( So I have to buy the game all over again, no thanks )
4) Only 480p support ( This is so lastgen resolutions, to bad for HD owners )
1) Wrong, just wrong. The player can be clumsy but the accuracy is almost like a mouse.
2) Does anyone actually know that Wii game are on a DVD?? If you want DVD video playback you have to pay a tax about 20% of the console price. So around 50$, for that price I have a pretty good DVD player. Personnally I don't like to pay for some thing I don't need.
3) Like for the PS1 game on PSP, those on Xbox live Market, etc. So why is it a Nintendo screw up? And you don't have to pay if you don't want...
4) I agree on this one. They could have made a little effort.


Microsoft Screw Ups
1) Loud ass DVD noise, because no HD Caching ( Thanks stupid core units )
2) Red Lights of Death ( Not really cooling as much as production issues )
3) XBOX Compatibility Issues ( Not bad being MS had to emulate the xbox hardware )
4) Add on prices are to high
1) Sad but true.
2) More a user problem. Just read the fucking manual...
3) This one hurts. Anyway they are working on it.
4) If don't like it don't buy it. At least you have the choice.

They are many things to say on all those systems but you should not spread rumors.
Regarding the article on Gamespot, it make me laughed. Really. I mean the guy who wrote this was not able to get used to the wiimote, obviously. The wiimote is an extraordinary system. It gives on FPS sensation similar to a keyboard/mouse system. I don't say it gives the same sensations but you have the same feeling of accuracy, the same feeling in your movement but you play on different way. Once you get used to it, it's a really great game device. For Red Steel I can't say anything cause I worked on the game so my point of view is not impartial (and not in the way you might think).
They didn't like the game. Ok, others have.

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[MadonnaProject]

oh come the hell on, the wii sucks and you know it. he sooner you admit i the better.

[redferne]

oh come the hell on, the wii sucks and you know it. he sooner you admit i the better.
Why? Because you don't like it? Ok, that's make sense...

@+

[SSChevy2001]

Why are you comparing Wii to PS3? Nintendo have released a new console long time before the next Sony anyways.

PS3 and 360 controls was outdated years ago.
Sony didnt even bother making 2 part controller with accelerometer etc.. for PS3 to make it true nextgen. Tilting control is so 1991.. (Amiga)

Gamecube had 480p support from launch day on most games. Do some research before claiming only PS2 and xbox had 480p. 80-90% of all GC games supports 480p.

Edit:
PS3 is outtdated gameplay-wise. GFX cant help ****.Yes your right GC had 480p support, but they then removed it from later revisons ( So get your facts straight ). Second you just prove my point that 480p is lastgen. My other point is the all the remotes on all these consoles are using old school tech, but because it's a Wii all of a sudden it's revolutionary. Personally I see the Wii's remote as a handicap, with more auto aim BS.

Lastly I don't care about the PS3 and there controller. No Rumble what a joke!! I'm a MS Fanboy all the way.

[redferne]

Second you just prove my point that 480p is lastgen.
So all the new generation has to offert is better graphics? Sad isn't it?


My other point is the all the remotes on all these consoles are using old school tech, but because it's a Wii all of a sudden it's revolutionary.
It is revolutionnary because it is, not because it is on Wii. What you said is called a lawsuit of intention (erf I don't think it means something... damned translator).


Personally I see the Wii's remote as a handicap, with more auto aim BS.
Auto aim? It is just the oppposite. With the wiimote you get ride of the the auto aim system that is still present with classic controller like on Xbox360/PS3.

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[SSChevy2001]

A few things..

Since when do we all have LCD TV´s? Do we? Who is/was benefiting from 480p? So how could 480p be last gen if only a couple of people using this resolution and playing on normal TV´s instead? I bet u dont have a LCD TV ;)

Do you played with the Wii? I dont thinks so because everyone who has had a blast and said its accurate! So you judge without trying it yourself, god!

Who has no DVD Standalone? Really i dont know anyone who hasnt, so whats the benefit of integrating one? None!

Yes you have to pay for games? Unbelievable eh like on XBOX live Arcade and Sonys system.

Every Single con for the Wii is just stupid and shows that you just want to bash the console. Good thing is you will see the Wii triumph just like the DS did vs the PSP,even if it is as a 2nd console. Same talk as for the NDS and this one Sold out the PSP 5:1 mostly Worldwide :D

Think before u answer, then think again maybe you get to my point - even if it takes a while :DThere are more HD Screens than SD if you count computer screens, which you should as they are HD. Second I bought my first HDTV in 2001 just for the XBOX. Now as far as 480 just admit it's old school, they could have done better.

As far as virtual console your right on the PSP Part, but changes would have to made for those games to work on the PSP. Xbox Live you can't compare there's no old console for 360 to emulate other than the xbox. All I'm saying is there should of been a way to upload our carts to the Wii internal memory, instead of pay for something we own.

DVD support would be nice, but it's a weak point. When I go away and I want to take my game console with me, it's nice to know that I can just stick a movie in a relax. Now being Nintendo is making a profit on every unit, you got to ask yourself why not offer the option for DVD support. We are talking about a $250 dollar console.

Yes I haven't played with the Wiimote yet, but common sense tells you this input device is not going to be very accurate. Also I've seen a lot of video floating around showing gui movement, and I can't say it look at all accurate.

EDIT redferne
It is revolutionnary because it isNice point, now here is mine it's a POS because it is!!!


So all the new generation has to offert is better graphics? Sad isn't it?Nobody said anything about graphics, last I knew 480p is a resolution.

[Battlefield]

As far as virtual console your right on the PSP Part, but changes would have to made for those games to work on the PSP. Xbox Live you can't compare there's no old console for 360 to emulate other than the xbox. All I'm saying is there should of been a way to upload our carts to the Wii internal memory, instead of pay for something we own.
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You say you are a MS fanboy, but still dont know that MS sells pac-man etc.. at same price as nintendo sell N64 games on VC? lol
The retro games on 360 is way older than the Nintendo have on VC and is high priced.

I would say Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok etc.. is more interresting to buy than pac-man and similar.

And yes..the wii controller is dead on accurate..
those few games that dont have accurate control is because of lazy developers. Wii dont need auto-aim because you control it like a mouse. Gamepads is slow so you need auto-aim. auto-aim is also for people with no skills at controlling a FPS.. auro-aim is also considered cheating!
Some games at E3 was early beta's and was made on gamecube devkit in a rush. Final games is different.

You say rumble rocks..i got news for you.. Wii also have rumble.

Especially Red Steel, Zelda, Call of Duty 3, Far Cry, Monkeyball 4, Trauma Centre and Rayman Raving Rabbids have true accurary.

Those 0.01% that claim otherwise is using it wrong. There is also shops that hide the sensor bar so it can barely register moves ;)

We all know that Nintendo never would release something that didnt work. Especially not a special controll bundled with all consoles.
Wii also have retro gamepad like 360, and 4 controller ports for Gamecube pads.
You can use up to 8 gamepads on Wii as standard. Nice for 1 screen party games :D

Like someone else say here.. The console with worst hardware always won.

Gameboy 4 color beated Atari Lynx and Sega Gamegear
GBA beated GP32, Bandai, Wonderswan, Gizmondo etc..
DS beats PSP by 5:1
SNES barely won, but had weakest hardware if you dont count the Risc FX1 and FX2 chips used in 3D games.

Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox was better than PS2, but PS2 still won.
So far developers are tired of making expensive games, so they made more for Wii.. We'll see later how that works out.

If Nintendo releases a PSP clone running Gamecube DVD's directly, it will for sure kill off PSP for good. The reason is that there is 600 gamecube games out which you can insert as the discs is 1.5GB smal discs, and developers is already know the hardware good because of GC and Wii.

Bill Gates even warned Sony about releasing a handheld against Nintendo.. and said it woul be like releasing a new OS to compete with windows.
He was right.. Sony did fail as Bill Gates predicted.

[SSChevy2001]

Battlefield
I didn't know Wii has Rumble, but that's a good thing. Xbox Live Games are ports and or newly created games of which developers should be paid for. VC just sounds like a emulator not a port, so why can't we just upload our carts?

PSP failed because the games were not there. Sony should of focus more on games and less on movies / camera / GPS.

[Renegade_R]

The Wii will totally be failure because MadonnaProject doesn't like it!!!!! :eek:

[Al3xand3r]

Well the Nintendo fanboy lashes out. Yes the controller thing was a joke, but I guess you couldn't figure that out.I'm sorry but if you weren't a total idiot that took it seriously then you wouldn't have said "but remains to be seen if it's true" or whatever it was you wrote for it.


Edit I made the proper change just for you in my previous post, but I'm sure you'll still deny the Wii has any problems. I might be a MS fanboy, but at least I can except the fact the 360 is not perfect.So by making the appropriate change you mean replacing your stupidly placed "injuries" point with another stupid "not so accurate motion sensing" which has been mentioned by a single journalist when talking about a single game in a little mini game compilation , Wii Sports. And the same journalist praised other titles which had no problems whatsoever with the controls. And all the Zelda reviews also praise the controls even though most of them were VERY skeptical about them since the game was originally designed with a standard pad in mind.

Wonderfully objective, atleast you admit you are an MS fanboy as quoted.

Also, you are right, DVD players are dirt cheap therefor you shouldn't whine about not getting one in an already cheap system, go and buy one yourself if you really need yet another device.

By the way, what makes you think that porting pacman to xbox 360 isn't done by making a simple emulator? It's such a powerful system that even crappily coded versions of such ancient games would work more than fine on it, similar to the Wii when running NES or whatever games. I really have no clue why you think it's something different at all. Sony is also doing the same thing with calling it an OFFICIAL PS1 EMULATOR and yet you still try and say "but changes have to be made" or whatever...

Anyway, others already replied to most of your "points" quite well, I only responded because you spoke specifically to me in an attempt to cover your bs.

[Renegade_R]

The problem with the "you have to play it to believe it" concept with the Wii controller is that the anti-Nintendo fanboys are so persistent that they will not lay their hands on the controller ever. And if they do, they'll quickly scoff "This is for kids" and not even play.

[redferne]

Nice point, now here is mine it's a POS because it is!!!
Which means?
If you don't find it revolutionnary fine. But it's defenitivly new. Not in the technologie of course but in what it brings and what it will bring. But this is totally developper's dependant. Which doesn't mean that the wiimote is crap...By the way did you try it? If not, I don't see how you can be so affirmative.


Nobody said anything about graphics, last I knew 480p is a resolution.
Well you are obviously a genius... or not for not being able to see the link between resolution and graphics. So if I'm following you in this way the next gen only offers higher resolution. GREAT that worth the money... And if you don't have an HD TV?

@+

[Battlefield]

Battlefield
I didn't know Wii has Rumble, but that's a good thing. Xbox Live Games are ports and or newly created games of which developers should be paid for. VC just sounds like a emulator not a port, so why can't we just upload our carts?

Virtual Console is NOT an emulator.. Its a shopping place for games. The emulators is inside the games you buy.
There will also be new games on Virtual Console. Even IGN is making a Wii game which they wanna sell cheap on VC.


PSP failed because the games were not there. Sony should of focus more on games and less on movies / camera / GPS.

I agree with you!.. but Sony promised before launch that PSP had loads of killer games. lol

Well..since you dont commented on more, i guess you agree on the rest i wrote..

and btw.. I would buy 360 over PS3 any day... Sony is big fat liars and breaked promises for over 10 years now. Their TV's, consoles etc.. is made with cheap parts so they dont last long.

I dont hate PS3, but i hate Sony for making crap quality and selling it at high price. Recently i read that Sony most likely would be looked at company that makes low quality things and not quality as they used to in the 80's and back.
I couldnt agree more..

PS3 also have low-quality Blue-Ray, but that was expected for a good reason. Sony wouldnt **** up the sales of their standalone Blue-Ray players which costs twice as much as PS3. PS3 is way behind on quality for people with home theatres. They need to buy the expensive standalone instead which costs twice as much as a HD-DVD player too..lol

[SSChevy2001]

Which means?
If you don't find it revolutionnary fine. But it's defenitivly new. Not in the technologie of course but in what it brings and what it will bring. But this is totally developper's dependant. Which doesn't mean that the wiimote is crap...By the way did you try it? If not, I don't see how you can be so affirmative.


Well you are obviously a genius... or not for not being able to see the link between resolution and graphics. So if I'm following you in you in this way the next gen only offers higher resolution. GREAT that worth the money... And if you don't have an HD TV?

@+

revolutionnary = triple core cpu / dedicated memory for AA and AF / HD-DVD Support. New in what way? What does it really bring? Crap as it's a gimmick, because the console lacks power and needed something to make it standout.

People like who don't have a HDTV are just like people who still use a floppy drive. You got to break away someday! Like I said before there are more HD than there are SD, if you count computer screens. Why are you complaining to me about graphics you're the one that like the Wii. If you don't own a HDTV it cause your a tight ass, and that's not my fault.

[Havok154]

revolutionnary = triple core cpu / dedicated memory for AA and AF / HD-DVD Support. New in what way? What does it really bring? Crap as it's a gimmick, because the console lacks power and needed something to make it standout.

People like who don't have a HDTV are just like people who still use a floppy drive. You got to break away someday! Like I said before there are more HD than there are SD, if you count computer screens. Why are you complaining to me about graphics you're the one that like the Wii. If you don't own a HDTV it cause your a tight ass, and that's not my fault.

Sorry, but faster processors and better graphics are not revolutionary, just an evolution. A new way to control and play is revolutionary. Evolutionary is doing the same thing you have always done and what people expect. People expect a dual analog controller and a faster system. People don't expect a new way to play a game. If at the end of it's life,the Wii ends up being a hit and actually does change the way we play for the better, then it definatly was revolutionary.

[bushrat]

revolutionnary = triple core cpu / dedicated memory for AA and AF / HD-DVD Support. New in what way? What does it really bring? Crap as it's a gimmick, because the console lacks power and needed something to make it standout.

People like who don't have a HDTV are just like people who still use a floppy drive. You got to break away someday! Like I said before there are more HD than there are SD, if you count computer screens. Why are you complaining to me about graphics you're the one that like the Wii. If you don't own a HDTV it cause your a tight ass, and that's not my fault.

Computer screens are not HD, HD is a television standard.
None of the HD resolutions are naitive for computer sceens, how many LCD computer screens have composite, component or hdmi input ? zero

Unless you have a LCD/PLASMA TV with just happens to have computer inputs. But its still a HD TV not a computer monitor.

and its a fact, HD televisions make up a very small percentage of worldwide TV ownership. So who are we to believe, some retard who owns a HD TV, and was conned into spending 3-4 grand on something that will be outdated next year ? or real statistics.

[Raist3d]

you quote seems to be for zelda, you quoted one of the only negative reviews i have read and it got an 8.5 in it i think. ign's reviewer claims it to be the greatest zelda game of all time. again its all opinion.

there are other good wii games, at least according to reviews, here is what Wii games are averaging on gamerankings, which makes a percentage based on the average of all the reviews in so far, all scores are out of 100%:


A game with < 80% on Wii I wouldn't say is what I was expecting to see. Excite Truck and Red Steel seem to be the big downs here. Those games needed to rock because Nintendo has been pushing them left and right.

I will say this though- I don't care much for the graphics in the context of the Wii controls, so if the reviewers are knocking them down too much for the graphics only, I could care less as long as the game doesn't look downright ugly.

Nevertheless, the average needed to be a bit higher in my opinion. Call of Duty is also not getting knocked down for the graphics, but for the lack of Online gaming. While I am very impressed how well COD3 runs on Wii as far as framerate and still having "lots of going on"- once you go online you may require a bit more power. It depends on what they do. Not having online is part of the hurt.

As for some of the other games like Madden, Marvel Ultimate Alliance- those are decent but they are also on PS3 and 360. I was looking at the trailer video for Marvel and having different controls per character is really cool, but thinking this is a "Final Fight" type game, I am scared it may get tiring doing the moves as in that type of game, you want to pull of your moves a lot.

I still want to play it on Wii to make a final choice. Playing in your mind/theoretically doesn't compare for any game, to play the real thing and much less for the Wii due to the controls.



sure zelda is partially last gen, though the Wii version can run in 480p and widescreen, so it does look better than the GC version.


It really doesn't. Wouldn't Zelda on GC run 480p? Of course, you need the early gamecubes that had that kind of output. It really woudln't look all that different. You also get to see now more dithering / texture pixelation due to the quality of the signal. Personally, my biggest dissapointment with Wii/Zelda is that after this LONG time Nintendo couldn't at least bother upgrading the texture resolution. The Wii has more ram, and is a bit faster, so that's at least the least they could do. That would have made the game look quite much better though I am sure it still looks good for a gamecube.




the Wii isn't about graphics, if your a graphics whore than stop posting about the Wii because i could care less about your opinion. if you have something worth saying then i will listen.

LOL. The issue partly is that graphics can make part of the experience as you get it, but I agree with you for the most part on that. It just bugs me that Zelda, having the chance to improve the graphics by the cheapest way possible- upsizing the texture- doesn't do that. Maybe the code to stream for the gamecube from disk is "so tight" that to make that change would have been major.. who knows.

- Raist

[redferne]

revolutionnary = triple core cpu / dedicated memory for AA and AF / HD-DVD Support. New in what way? What does it really bring?
There is nothing new there. Consoles have just reached computers.


Crap as it's a gimmick, because the console lacks power and needed something to make it standout.
Once again, did you try it? Obviously not.


People like who don't have a HDTV are just like people who still use a floppy drive. You got to break away someday! Like I said before there are more HD than there are SD, if you count computer screens.
Last time I checked, consoles were meant to be played on TV. And if you think that there is more HDTV than classic TV you are extremely missinformed.


Why are you complaining to me about graphics you're the one that like the Wii.
I don't complain... I'm just trying to put something out. Something you don't obviously want to see. Unlike you I'm not bashing any consoles, maybe because I played on the three. They all have goods and cons, even if I'm still looking for the good of the PS3.
I also play on PC so the next gen look pretty old for me... I buy consoles for their games and because it is a different way to play. But you have no idea of what I am talking about, don't you? I curse Sony's marketing for the new "only graphic" generation of player...


If you don't own a HDTV it cause your a tight ass, and that's not my fault.
That's brillant...
I don't own a HDTV or any LCD screen because it's too expensive and the persistence problem is really bugging me despite the many advantages of the LCD technology. As you can see the image quality really bothers me.

You don't like the Wii, good for you. But for god sake please stop posting your hate. You are just ridiculus.

@+

[TheClockWork]

Personally, my biggest dissapointment with Wii/Zelda is that after this LONG time Nintendo couldn't at least bother upgrading the texture resolution.

LONG time ? As I know, Zelda TP doesnt ever meant to be a Wii title. It actually should be GameCube only. I think Miyamato said that the importants thing is actually to have good controlls and referring to Matt, if you ever used the Wii Controls you never want to go back to the Gamepad. But actually I also would love to see it with better Textures/More Poly Models. Anyway, I don't care :). I enjoyed Zelda since SNES and I dont think that the new title will fail :). Also I'll think the control scheme its using feels really good :).

This thread is going to explode :). Too much fanboyism :) In fact, no Console is perfect. The question is: Are you dumb enough and don't have enough personality to "join" a Company ? Because in the end everything they want, is YOUR money and you will be the looser. Not a console :).

[nimbus]

Wii SUCKXZZ @SS



PNP ID: Nimbus0_0


PNP ID PWN'Z GAYmerTag LOL!:rolleyes:

[daps83777]

well if it does, it doesn't suck as bad as the PS3 or 360.

[Awakened1]

well if it does, it doesn't suck as bad as the PS3 or 360.

Honestly the wii should be thankful for the ps3 since all of the bad things that the wii has and had before have been over shadowed by the ps3 problems and complaints. I mean there are so many things that are wrong with all the consoles but if you look at the wii it has some hefty issues.

1. Cheap console? $ 250 is cheaper than the other consoles (300 for core xbox360) but $ 250 is still a hefty price to pay for something that so far hasn't shown any indications that it will match up to the ps3's or 360's online or graphics.

2. Yes I know graphics aren't everything but when you show off something like this for Red Steel http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/284/932528_20061012_screen002.jpg. And you get this http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/319/932528_111606_screen002.jpg and this http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/319/932528_111606_screen037.jpg. Come to your own conclusions?

3. Wii selling virtual consoles games at actual game prices is just rediculious your going to sell the same mario games that everybody bought in every other resell that nintendo has done for 8 dollers on the wii?

Thats just 3 of the many many many problems. I'm not saying the wii will be a bad console but honestly it's lucky it's not receiving and being watched as harshly as the ps3 right now.

[Battlefield]

Xbox 360 do NOT support HD-DVD. You need to buy an expensive add-on drive to play HD-DVD and it dont even have HDMI which HD-DVD requires...lol
Same drive for 360 can be used on PC too as an external USB HD-DVD Drive.
There is nothing special about that expensive player for xbox at all.
Dont believe me? Read the bad reviews that drive got.

[QUOTE]People like who don't have a HDTV are just like people who still use a floppy drive. You got to break away someday! Like I said before there are more HD than there are SD, if you count computer screens.

You obviously dont know what a HD screen is.. Mainly some newer Notebooks have 720p/1:78:1 screens. There barely exist any HD screen for PC.

HD Screen is Widescreen only.. 1:78:1! The standard does not allow full screen at all like you think.

True HDTV Screen is 1920x1080 / 1080p / 18.6 billion color palette
PC LCD screens only support 16.8 million colors..Which is FAR behind HDTV.

You dont even know what aspect ratio for HD LCD is..lol
I can tell you that. HD/HDTV is 1:78:1 only. LCD on PC is 5:4
you see the difference?

5:4 which is on like 98% of all PC LCD screens do NOT support HDTV modes at all!

And what tight ass would play games on a small LCD screen for PC anyway?
HD Gaming is best on 50" and larger.. noone with a brain would play HD on small LCD screens as you need big screen to get most out of HD.

I use HD Projector myself which supports 480p, 576p, 720p and 1080i.
and 120" Widescreen. (Wiktor Pro Screen).. not some cheap **** bed sheet.

[redferne]

1. Cheap console? $ 250 is cheaper than the other consoles (300 for core xbox360) but $ 250 is still a hefty price to pay for something that so far hasn't shown any indications that it will match up to the ps3's or 360's online or graphics.
You are right except that for your 250$ you have a game. Without a game like in Japan you pay it 200$ which is more reasonnable. As fun as can be Wii sport I rather had the choice to buy it or not. I really don't know why japanese constructors think that european and american costumers are happy to pay more...
For the online we might wait for it to be avaible before judging it, don't we?


2. Yes I know graphics aren't everything but when you show off something like this for Red Steel http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/284/932528_20061012_screen002.jpg. And you get this http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/319/932528_111606_screen002.jpg and this http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/319/932528_111606_screen037.jpg. Come to your own conclusions?
Ubisoft photshop their screenshot and have recognize it wheras other don't but still doing it. Not a big surprise in fact. Judging the quality of a console based on one game... Come on we all already know that the Wii graphic are not competive with the PS3 and 360, so why compare? When you look at the bugguy screen of Ridge Racer 7 on PS3 what should we conclue? The PS3 is just an overpriced generating bug system?


3. Wii selling virtual consoles games at actual game prices is just rediculious your going to sell the same mario games that everybody bought in every other resell that nintendo has done for 8 dollers on the wii?
If you don't want to pay, don't. I don't see the problem. At least you have the opportunity, is it that bad? The VM is just a bonus. If you want to buy a Wii just to play od games you should make a research on "emulation" in google :)


Thats just 3 of the many many many problems. I'm not saying the wii will be a bad console but honestly it's lucky it's not receiving and being watched as harshly as the ps3 right now.
What problems are you talking about? Are you a developper or a reporter?
The PS3 is looking harshly just because of Sony's marketing and their arrogants declarations. I'm still wondering where is my emotion engine on my PS2...
I have played Resistance and believe me it isn't worth the money for now. In one year it certainly be different but for now what Sony promised is just not here. For now the PS3 is an expensive Xbox 360. And the Wii is being watched harshly, just read the thread.

I will never understand that console war. If you don't like it, don't buy it. And I don't feel like an idiot because I'm having fun with what I choose.

@+

[Renegade_R]

Wii Sports is included in the box because people like you would never buy games that the rest of the family would like.

[gonepostl]

No big surprise there, its looked utter rubbish from day one. No idea why people were wanting it so bad - the first breed of FPS games are all going to be rotten, if not all of them on the Wii. Its definately my least wanted genre on it - still cant wait for the rest of the non fps games though ^_^

Well I agree with your first breed comment. But what the **** is your reasoning behind all of them? You should at least express why it sucks.

[gonepostl]

yeah where are the bad reviews for metroid? the only thing i have seen CoD3 get knocked on is graphics on the Wii, everything else it got knocked for it got knocked for on the 360 and PS3. its CoD3 isn't getting amazing reviews for any of the consoles, it seems no one likes the fact you change what country your character is constantly.

as far as red steel, it seems that who reviews it makes a big difference, and its not like this game has got a single review as bad as gundam for PS3, in fact i think ign reviewed that game and gave it a 3.5, isn't that close to what 1up gave it? and the PS3 is supposedly so much better?

anyways.... like i said it depends on who reviews it, on gamerankings so far Red Steel has received the following scores:

Gamespot 5.5
Gamebrink 70/100
etoychest 78/100
nGamer UK 90/100

only site i trust is metacritic.

Period!


LOL! this coming from the biggest idiot on this forums besides Noobus. Maxconsole take the 1 bad review of a Wii game and make it seem like it's the only one, meanwhile everywhere else gave it decent reviews. And you know what? It's still a 1st generation game! Look at all the PS3 first gen games, they are suffering from laggy play and other issues as well... but people like Noobus and MadonnaProjerk just look at 1 bad Wii review. 1st Gen games are never perfect, but if you average it all out, I bet all the Wii first gen games beat out the PS3 launch titles , as well as the Xbox360 launch titles. Imagine when game companies start perfecting the motion control, then you PS3/Xbox360 fanboys will surely be in trouble ;)

Pwnzord! !!!!1oneone!1!one

Remember remember the the 19th of november /puke


Try at least 4 times from all of them.

Sony Screw Ups
1) 1080p games not that I see ( It's not TRUE HD BS )
2) No upscaling and TV issues ( Not PS3 issue it's just our crappy TVs fault )
3) Its not fully backward compatible ( When Sony Co gets his flying car that makes lunch for him you'll get it. )
4) BluRay ups the price of the unit, causes delays, and causes long load times.

Nintendo Screw Ups
1) Wii remote is clumsy at times ( Less accruate gaming device which needs more auto aim help )
2) No DVD support. ( There making money on every unit, and can't add this. )
3) Virtual Console. ( So I have to buy the game all over again, no thanks )
4) Only 480p support ( This is so lastgen resolutions, to bad for HD owners )

Microsoft Screw Ups
1) Loud ass DVD noise, because no HD Caching ( Thanks stupid core units )
2) Red Lights of Death ( Not really cooling as much as production issues )
3) XBOX Compatibility Issues ( Not bad being MS had to emulate the xbox hardware )
4) Add on prices are to high

I like this list. I might create a giant one to display how much we are being fuked by the console market:(


I wouldnt use those exact words. But i have to agree with your mad ramblings.

Evryone was talking about to 1 to 1 representatation etc.... Like i said before the wii remote and SIX AXIS are the same crap.

A PS3 is for life not just for christmas.....

Its just not going to be the same for the wii, its going to be outdated in record time.

Your a close th1rd assh0le. Don't think we've forgotten about you.


not since the snes has a system with the most power won a damn console war and even that had nothing to do with power because the snes had a very slim margin of victory in that dept. it was the genesis' pathetic excuse for a controller and weaker software lineup. not because of graphics or processing power. the facts are, the n64 was beat by the weaker psx, the gamecube and xbox was beat by the weaker ps2, the psp is being pounded in the ass by the less powerful ds, so to be quite honest, graphics have almost nothing to do with a console's success. as for the comments about how tilt sensing is "so dated" i couldn't agree more, so why sony implemented it into the ps3 controller is beyond me.

See, not all rants are bad!:D

[Al3xand3r]

Actually graphics did matter last gen, the DC was only ignored because of Sony's hype and promises of worlds that look alive, their emotion engine and all that crap. Of course none of it was true, and the first year of games showed as much, but with all that hype people didn't even notice the Dreamcast, thanks in part to Sega's crappy marketing.

The rest of the systems came to the fight too late to be competitive and everyone already had a PS2. You see it's not just the REAL graphics capabilities, it's also what people BELIEVE has the best graphics, even if untrue, thanks to the marketing departments.

The same applies to the N64, it came way too late to be competitive, you can't expect a good system launch when the competition already has a library of hundreds of succesful titles. And it also had its cons, it got bashed pretty bad for using cartriges as FMV cut scenes were all the rage back then.

So, yes, in retrospect the second weakest console won last gen, but I'm sure you can still find thousands and thousands of fanboys that still believe is was the best and most powerful system and any competition sucks @$$. You have Sony to thank for that.

The DS beating the PSP is the exception to the rule and hopefully a good sign of things to come.

[Battlefield]

Actually graphics did matter last gen, the DC was only ignored because of Sony's hype and promises of worlds that look alive, their emotion engine and all that crap. Of course none of it was true, and the first year of games showed as much, but with all that hype people didn't even notice the Dreamcast, thanks in part to Sega's crappy marketing.

The rest of the systems came to the fight too late to be competitive and everyone already had a PS2. You see it's not just the REAL graphics capabilities, it's also what people BELIEVE has the best graphics, even if untrue, thanks to the marketing departments.

The same applies to the N64, it came way too late to be competitive, you can't expect a good system launch when the competition already has a library of hundreds of succesful titles. And it also had its cons, it got bashed pretty bad for using cartriges as FMV cut scenes were all the rage back then.

So, yes, in retrospect the second weakest console won last gen, but I'm sure you can still find thousands and thousands of fanboys that still believe is was the best and most powerful system and any competition sucks @$$. You have Sony to thank for that.

The DS beating the PSP is the exception to the rule and hopefully a good sign of things to come.

I agree... but i will point out 1 thing.

PS2 was the weakest and it was proven again 2-3 years ago.
Dreamcast had better framerate on same games for years, it also mostly had better GFX.
After Sega quitted Dreamcast, they also gave mostly **** about games.
Their only major new series is Monkeyball which always get better reviews than Sonic.
Other than that...they dont do any effort to make any huge games anymore, or any new franchise at all.

[Verve]

well, there also are good reviews, such as the one from CVG, they gave red steel 8.0...

see here (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=149376&skip=yes)

[Battlefield]

All reviews of Red Steel is good except for the Gamespot one..

Its totally wrong to make news of that Red Steel is a huge dissepointment when only 1 of 10 reviews is bad.

I believe the 9 others more than Gamespot, but also because Gamespot dont know how to review games.

[banelord]

CVG rated it 8.0 and says "best launch title after Zelda".

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=149376

BTW, CVG is on the VG-Magazine market since 1981 and GS for approx. 5 Years.

[daps83777]

only site i trust is metacritic.

Period!



Pwnzord! !!!!1oneone!1!one

Remember remember the the 19th of november /puke



I like this list. I might create a giant one to display how much we are being fuked by the console market:(



Your a close th1rd assh0le. Don't think we've forgotten about you.



See, not all rants are bad!:D

metacritic is just a copy of what gamerankings does, they both use averages of the same sites and almost always have the same averages, or very close to the same averages.

[nimbus]

stfu And Get Pwn'd

[Battlefield]

stfu And Get Pwn'd

Another confirmation that Sony kids dont know how to write.
Sony kids is mostly 14, so i guess you really cant expect better behavior.

[daps83777]

stfu And Get Pwn'd

what are you some 12 year old about to go through puberty.

[WalkingTiger]

Sigh... And thus the immature Sony fanboy makes his eventual appearance...

Anyway, giant fonts & immature comments aside,

As someone who's been playing Red Steel a few hours today, I'm thrilled w/ it!

I've had more fun w/ it than I've had in a long time:) Is the story "bland"? No more bland than any other fps... The cutscenes are told in an interesting style similar to Max Payne, which lends it a nice touch;

I've only seen *one* actual "bug" or "glitch", and that was one time when an enemy's arm was clipping through a wall, before I opened the door to that room... If that's the most of the "bugs", I can certainly ignore that...

Once you get used to using the controller, it's second nature, and becomes quite fun, which is what gaming is all about, to me, a fun experience; Might I add that the music's really quite good, and I'm eagerly anticipating seeing a soundtrack or rip of it somewhere...

~WalkingTiger

[banelord]

@ Walking Tiger: Glad to hear that. I also believe that the game is quite decent with some (minor) flaws. I saw the review on gametrailers.com and Im convinced that it will deliver for me as a lunch title.

[daps83777]

as matt from ign has said, you need to play a ways from the sensor bar with games like red steel. if you don't then the control is not as good. i am curious to how many people are playing the Wii games to close and then bashing the controls, i know alot of people did that when they were at E3, all the time Matt from ign was contradicting them because he said you needed to stand back farther.

[vandalisthero]

as matt from ign has said, you need to play a ways from the sensor bar with games like red steel. if you don't then the control is not as good. i am curious to how many people are playing the Wii games to close and then bashing the controls, i know alot of people did that when they were at E3, all the time Matt from ign was contradicting them because he said you needed to stand back farther.

YES. For Red Steel I've gotta stand a good 15 feet or so away from my tv. The thing about the aiming for me is not the inaccuracy but the fact that you have to aim just about all the way to the edge of the screen in order to turn your view point. If it weren't for that, and there were some other way to get the job done it would have some pretty damn good controls. The way it's done makes it so that when you're trying to turn to find the guy that's shooting at you you have to go past him and then aim back towards the middle in order to aim at the guy and not turn around in a circle while doing so. That's the only flaw in my opinion... but then again it is a huge one. I'm not sure how it's done in COD3, but if it's the same thing, then I definately have to agree that the FPS genre will die out on the Wii if they don't figure out something to solve the issue with.

I'm thinking the Wii might need a special 'mote for FPS with an A button click analog stick or something.

[daps83777]

I don't know about CoD3, but i haven't heard any complaints about that in reviews, i also know they added a mode to Metroid on Wii that made the controls way better, and people that have played that version have said it is going to be the fps on a console ever because of its amazing controls, plus metroid prime fps' are the only fps' i could ever stand to play on a console, so that sounds really promising to me.

[xllzerollx]

as matt from ign has said, you need to play a ways from the sensor bar with games like red steel. if you don't then the control is not as good. i am curious to how many people are playing the Wii games to close and then bashing the controls, i know alot of people did that when they were at E3, all the time Matt from ign was contradicting them because he said you needed to stand back farther.
i have my wii and is the same with zelda, the aiming is inacurate if you are close to the tv, it must be used from further

and to everyone here, plz stop this pwn thing, which just tells how kid you are

[cybereality]

I totally disagree with Gamespots review. The game isnt perfect, but it deserves at least a 7.0. The controls are very difficult to learn, for the first hour you will be a complete noob. It seems like the reviewer only played it for a short period or maybe couldnt get used to the controls. After this point you will be aiming with pinpoint accuracy, though turning is a bit cumbersome. The game is designed so you get a good hiding spot (like behind a table you can flip over) and then just pop-up and shoot guys Lethal Enforcers style. Its not really a running around jumping game like Quake or Halo. But its still pretty cool for a first-generation launch title. Once I got up to like the second or third level I was pretty confortable with the controls. Then I jumped around a corner and got a double headshot with the shotgun, and I knew the controls were good.

I admit, I was rather disappointed the first time playing, but the game is still cool and worth $50 just because you can use a sword. The graphics could be better, its not Perfect Dark Zero, but the game is probably more fun than PDZ so go figure. Overall its a decent game and worth buying if you have a Wii.

// cybereality

[Havok154]

I totally disagree with Gamespots review. The game isnt perfect, but it deserves at least a 7.0. The controls are very difficult to learn, for the first hour you will be a complete noob. It seems like the reviewer only played it for a short period or maybe couldnt get used to the controls. After this point you will be aiming with pinpoint accuracy, though turning is a bit cumbersome. The game is designed so you get a good hiding spot (like behind a table you can flip over) and then just pop-up and shoot guys Lethal Enforcers style. Its not really a running around jumping game like Quake or Halo. But its still pretty cool for a first-generation launch title. Once I got up to like the second or third level I was pretty confortable with the controls. Then I jumped around a corner and got a double headshot with the shotgun, and I knew the controls were good.

I admit, I was rather disappointed the first time playing, but the game is still cool and worth $50 just because you can use a sword. The graphics could be better, its not Perfect Dark Zero, but the game is probably more fun than PDZ so go figure. Overall its a decent game and worth buying if you have a Wii.

// cybereality

Looks like everyone thinks it sucks, 68% average from 11 reviews on Gamerankings.
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/932528.asp

[redferne]

Looks like everyone thinks it sucks, 68% average from 11 reviews on Gamerankings.
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/932528.asp

Funny, it's all or nothing when you see all the tests. Some really disliked it and put a 50% and other liked it and gave a 70-80%. And those are only american sites. Japanese sites seemed to like it a little more.
Well as long as you are having fun :)

@+

[IcerC]

It's bad.

Boring force feeding levels with no open play.

Horrible controls.

**** Mutiplay.

the list goes on...

[Silversand]

This game is flawed. The aiming system is ok, but the camera movment is all wrong. The swordplay is also broke. If you can handle the flaws then you're going to like this game. If you can't you're going to hate it.

[IcerC]

I disagree.

If this was a ps2 game (which it could be) it classifys as a boring poorly made fps. (ie. I coudn't jump in the hottub and crap AI. Multiplayer is lacking.)

[redferne]

http://www.xboxyde.com/stream_3356_fr.html
Around 10min they speake about Red Stell and there is an interview of a game designer.
About the crapy control, did you consider that the problem is you? I mean many people, even here, reported that they are good once you get used to it. If you can't that doesn't mean the game is bad...

@+

[cybereality]

Quite frankly the game is not that bad. The controls are a bit hard to get used to, but once you do its not an issue (probably by the second or third level). As Silversand mentioned, the actual aiming is dead-on. The camera work is what makes it confusing.

The main problem is that suppose you are getting shot at from the right (you cant see the enemy on screen). So now when you aim to the right side of the screen your character turns. However to aim at the guy shooting you have to scroll past him a bit, then aim your crosshair in the middle where he is. Also, the turning is rather slow and you cant adjust it much in the options. The point is to find a good cover spot or vantage point and then just aim like it were Time Crisis or Leathal Enforcers. For this it works really well. As long as the camera is stationary (or only moving forward/back) the controls are fine. But turning all the way around quickly is difficult. Other than that the game is still pretty fun, the graphics are nice, and theres tons of action.

The only other gripe I have with the game is that the sword fighting is very limiting. There are about 10 different moves you can perform and it wont give you full freedom when moving around the sword. Other than that the game is decent. Definately not the best game on the system, and in no way is it Gears of War, but its still entertaining. Especially considering its a launch title and there really isnt anything else like it on the market.

[redferne]

The only other gripe I have with the game is that the sword fighting is very limiting. There are about 10 different moves you can perform and it wont give you full freedom when moving around the sword.
Did you learn any kata? After about 10 levels you can train in the Dojo and spend your respect point to learn some kata. They are combos you can perform during sword fight. You can also spend you respect point in the bar to earn weapons that can take before starting a new level.

@+

[chinese_fury]

The Nintendo Wii itself is hugely disappointing.

Quit making excuses for the crappy control issues.

[redferne]

The Nintendo Wii itself is hugely disappointing.

Quit making excuses for the crappy control issues.
What crappy control issues? I've been using the Wii since june and then there were issues but since september the only issues I encontered were from the user side not the console.
But I think it is easier to bash the Wii than to admit it can be attractive despite the graphics...
I'm not making excuses but comment like "wiitard", "wii sucks" and so without even the begining of an argumentation, from poeple who obviously have closed their mind to anything new, is really tiring me. Eh I'm wondering why I'm still continuing this non sense.

[chinese_fury]

The Wii is was it is. A letdown.

No stellar must have launch games. Even Zelda is a poor excuse this time around.

The Wii would have been priced better at $99, but not $250 for last gen technology.

[redferne]

Of course if you say so...
Ever played on PC? What you call next gen seem pretty old for me.

[Azariel]

Let him be, these self proclaimed "chinese_fury " is just another Retroboy and Noob spawn. Must have a lot of time to contribute on the Wii section with no more than bashing. :) I bet he couldn't get a PS3 to sell on e-bay, and while Xbox is not launching nothing that can save it from the downfall, or even commented, he need to come here, on the Wii section.

[chinese_fury]

This coming from all the people who just bought a Wii. How does it feel to pay Nintendo $250 for a re-packaged Gamecube. and yes xbox 360 does have Gears of War, which I know is no Red Steel.

I sold both a PS3 and Wii which I got on launch on ebay. For now they have really nothing that interests me like what is on the Xbox 360. A year advanced makes for some really great games and online play. Call of Duty 3, Gears of War, Project Gotham Racing.

I'll get a Wii to keep for myself once the price drops to $99 and some games come along which spark my interest. Same goes for the PS3.

[Azariel]

So, you don't have work to do on the wii section, thanks for coming. bye bye...

[knux896]

This coming from all the people who just bought a Wii. How does it feel to pay Nintendo $250 for a re-packaged Gamecube. and yes xbox 360 does have Gears of War, which I know is no Red Steel.

I sold both a PS3 and Wii which I got on launch on ebay. For now they have really nothing that interests me like what is on the Xbox 360. A year advanced makes for some really great games and online play. Call of Duty 3, Gears of War, Project Gotham Racing.

I'll get a Wii to keep for myself once the price drops to $99 and some games come along which spark my interest. Same goes for the PS3.

Actually I am quite happy buying an improved system with motion sensing controls. I must say that I am getting tired of everyone saying "the Wii is a repackaged Gamecube with a new controller". If you take a look here (http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/4cf178d91fde1d1eedf2b7a2e225800a.jpg) and here (http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/078372e0824453d8070909490af619dc.jpg) you will see quite clearly that the Wii isn't just "a re-packaged Gamecube".

If you look at the system specifications of the Gamecube and Wii then you will notice that the Wii has an improved CPU and GPU, more RAM, and more texture memory to name the big things. I don't see how anyone can call a system the same when the components are different. Is it anywhere near the power upgrade that the Xbox360 and the PS3 received? No. But it is by no means the same system as the Gamecube. Unfortunately every person that doesn't want to purchase the Wii looks at Twilight Princess, which is a Gamecube port, and say "that proves it is the same system", which doesn't mean a thing.

It might be a good idea to wait and see how the systems do in the market before buying a second next-gen system, but I personally think the Wii is a good sytem and I chose it to be my first next-gen this time around, although I may get a 360 later on. If you feel like the Wii is too expensive then you are free to wait for a price drop, although I think you will be in for a bit of a wait if $99 is your set price.

[Retroboy]

lol improved system, slightly improved varys between a GC and a XBOX, which is was last gen so to make it sell nintendo added a remote.

[XviD]

lol improved system, slightly improved varys between a GC and a XBOX, which is was last gen so to make it sell nintendo added a remote.
Dude, every time I see you post you are flaming!
I don't even have a wii and I already can see you're a fucknut, if you don't like it, **** off!
If it's all about graphics to you, come on, create your textures for the Biggoron Sword in Zelda HD, then shove it all the way up your ass.
It's people like you that make me sick, these kind of clowns should be banned.

[Retroboy]

lol, coz its funny, PS2 got slated by nintendo fans, god visit www.kai666.com he allways slated it, and now its nintendos turn to be the lame system everything that was said regarding the PS2 now no longer matters, why becuase you have the same system but with a remote.

[Azariel]

And your eason for Bashing on the wii section is lack of attention on real life? There is no end for your bashing.:D But sorry, Nintendo is doing great..even with nonsense comment like yours... anyway people won't come tomorrow and say "Thank you Retroboy, for open my eyes.." :rolleyes:

[Retroboy]

i know, people dont agree, they deny, but if it was the other way arround you'd all be doing the same, just like with the GC vs PS2.

It just really annoys me how a company who were great, use their greatness to take the mick by producing such a lame machine and laugh as they know the fans will buy it.

It would be nice if nintendo actually gave a better system + games not a last gen with last gen ported games.

Dont you think nintendo would have learned, they know the reason for the GC not being brilliant was because if its games, so they still port them to the wii, id move well away from that or at least make them better like the 360 has.

[Azariel]

because the company is selling a machine at the cost of how should be, and bencaue the introduced a new style of game play, even copied by the rival... so, I don't see where is the problem on it. they develop over GC arquitecture a worthy upgrade, what is very good, include a new interface system instead of jsut going for the old linear equation "more storage = better game ", expand possibilities, and get a lot of 3rd party support AND good ( I would say awesome ) response from public ( us in general, maybe not you... ). Just like Windows came to PC's ehhhh. ;)

[Retroboy]

or even better, giving the fans something new, next gen gaming machine + remote.

No cant do that nintendo dont like spending money you see, if they did you'd all buy it still.

[Shadowsan]

Retroboy, lets put things into perspective here.

Everyone is creaming over the ps3 and it's cell uber behemoth power. All apart from the developers who are cringing at making games for it, the many users who are seeing a lack of real functionality, and also the MANY (if not all) users who are crying into their drinks of water as they can't afford a beer anymore, after being told by their bank manager that they're not allowed to even think of buying anything again for a few months as it's that expensive.

The 360 is by far the most rounded product available, however screaming out 'it's next gen' is a bit of a fallacy. Sure it's more powerful, but has it really brought anything new to the gaming masses, or has it simply polished up the tried and tested stuff (insert sh*t where appropriate) that everyone has been fed for the last few years anyway and probably already own from their previous console?

Ok, now lets get on to the Wii. Totally new interface. Totally new experience for the gaming masses, however some people are simply not ready to accept it (or don't want to). Yes, the graphics so far look decidedly average, even compared to nintendos previous product. However, they proved with the DS that pure graphics is not a measure of how good a product it is. On the basis of totally new experiences, it can be forgiven for putting out a few games that have (admittedly) been ported from their old GC stocks to ensure a good roll-out with plenty of titles. However judging the wii based on those titles would be ridiculous, as everyone knows most consoles don't have their killer app at the beginning of their lifespan. Look at RE4 for a prime example.

However, arguing that the Wii is last gen is also not such a smart thing to say... ATI have been working with Nintendo for years now, and even they have admitted that the hollywood chip is much more powerful than everyone expects due to some very smart features, not sheer grunt - not to mention that considering ATI also work with microsoft you can bet that it won't be too far off the money.

The fact of the matter is as with all hardware you don't get to see the best of it usually until the 3rd gen of games for it, and the same applies here. No, it's not going to be HD. Anyone who buys a Wii for HD graphics is living in a dream world. However you can bet your bottom dollar that Nintendo is playing the smart game and sitting out this format war that is coming and WILL be expensive for the loser, then will release a fully specced machine with HD capabilities and everything else included. Not to mention it also seems Nintendo are playing the shorter product cycle card - this has been seen previously with the DS/DS Lite...

In short - consoles are meant to be fun, affordable to the masses, and offer new experiences. The Wii provides all of the above. The times of 5+ year console product life cycles is dead, Nintendo has forseen it and responded with a system that can do everything that is needed NOW, and later on will provide us with a second system (again at an AFFORDABLE price) that will deliver technology that is up to pace with next-gen while the competitors languish (or lose excessive amounts of money on their expensive mistakes).

Shadowsan

[Retroboy]

lol i got bored with the bank part.

Developers arent scared, funny i see developers developing for the PS3, this is what i love utter blx remarks like this.

I think main reason why devs love the wii, is becuase its still last gen its soo easy to make games for, its like a GC/Xbox.

It doesnt require more hard work to change the controlls, heck theyve been porting games for all platforms and they require different controlls.

[Shadowsan]

Define next gen for me.

Is it graphics so high definition that you can spend hours staring at a texture?

Or...

Is it games that bring totally new ways to play to people?

I'll stick with the latter thank you.

And on your comment about loads of devs making games for the ps3, and devs liking the wii for it's ease of development: Who do you think is going to get a faster roll-out of games? Wii, or PS3?

Think I already know the answer, but I want to hear your 'utter blx' remark about it.

Shadowsan

[Retroboy]

next gen to me is a new system, not old system new controller.

Hell controllers have been changing since day one look at the PS3 it offers a new controller, so does the 360.

What else does the wii offer (all the online cr@p is also covered by the PS3 and 360 so no point mentioning that)

[Shadowsan]

What about a system that is completely designed around how you actually play the game rather than how pretty it looks or what totally different hardware it has? By that definition the 360 is not next-gen either - still has a normal dvd drive... ;)

Shadowsan

[Retroboy]

What about a system that is completely designed around how you actually play the game rather than how pretty it looks or what totally different hardware it has? By that definition the 360 is not next-gen either - still has a normal dvd drive... ;)

Shadowsan

teh system is not designed completely arround how you play, its a console with a sensor tube that picks up the remote.

the 360 does not have a normal dvd drive its a DL drive, where the wii is a normal dvd drive wow and theyre cheap, DL drives only cost £24, dvd drive £12.

[Shadowsan]

Ok, and so you're the be all and end all as to the technologies and features the Wii has or is capable of...?

If not, you can't possibly say that it's a previous gen system because you don't know that for definite.

[Retroboy]

Ok, and so you're the be all and end all as to the technologies and features the Wii has or is capable of...?

If not, you can't possibly say that it's a previous gen system because you don't know that for definite.


again your talking about the remote, not the console, the console can not offer much more as its made up from a last gen, the remote can offer only what your arm can do.

Its not the console, its the remote.

[Shadowsan]

Like I said Retroboy - what do you know of the graphics processing capabilities of the Wii?

I can bet you don't know squat.

For instance, what if the Wii has the ability to do FSAA at less than 10% the performance hit of every other console?

My point is Nintendo or ATI or IBM aren't stupid - they know what the competitors have under the hood, they MADE the parts FFS. And they won't be leaving Nintendo with a pitifully weak product either, because that spells bad news for them as well in the future.

Shadowsan

[Retroboy]

ok, tho nintendo said its a vamped GC, your not going to get much better than a Xbox, just running at lol hd rofl:D :D :D :D :rolleyes: hd:o ahhhhh man

[Shadowsan]

ok, tho nintendo said its a vamped GC, your not going to get much better than a Xbox, just running at lol hd rofl:D :D :D :D :rolleyes: hd:o ahhhhh man

Find me that quote then, and i'll concede it. Because i've never heard that it is a revamped GC anywhere. The Hollywood and Broadway chips have been redesigned, not just simply had the clock speed boosted.

[Battlefield]

Retroboy:
again your talking about the remote, not the console, the console can not offer much more as its made up from a last gen, the remote can offer only what your arm can do.
Its not the console, its the remote.

A gamepad can only offer what your fingers can do ;)


- Gamecube were too slow for Wii controller. If it wasnt, GC would get this controller 3 years ago as an add-on.
- ATI said Wii GFX can do several times more than Gamecube. Wii also have shaders, while Gamecube didnt except for |1 game.
- Wii uses Dual Layer drive
- Xbox wasnt that powerful as Resident Evil 4 needed to be degraded to get it running on Xbox according to Capcom.. lol ... Xbox was also too slow for running Rebel Strike as it couldnt handle GFX.

I really wonder if you get the information from a Sony fanboy page..

Since you prefer GFX over gameplay, i cant understand why you even bother making textures for the soon 10 year old Zelda ;)

[redferne]

Stop bothering answer this sonygnorant. He has already proven to be an idiot. The only reason why he is bashing the Wii is because some others idiots laughed at the PS3 in the PS3 section. So to prove that he is smarter he comes here making more retarded comment... Clever isn't it?

[Retroboy]

Stop bothering answer this sonygnorant. He has already proven to be an idiot. The only reason why he is bashing the Wii is because some others idiots laughed at the PS3 in the PS3 section. So to prove that he is smarter he comes here making more retarded comment... Clever isn't it?

lets see

GC better than PS2 war, graphics
360/PS3 forced to buy HD, Wii wow HD
Pads, Remote

Wiitards assume the Wii CONSOLE is something excellent, when you all prove your stupidity if you cant tell the difference in XBOX to Wii or GC Zelda to the wii.

The Wii only has a remote to offer, thats it, and as for pads you can access the buttons easily without having to move too much, which is the point of games, its a time out to relax thing.

People are already having problems with the remote, so in nintendo's views you need to excersise more to get past this problem.

im sorry if people want to be fat or have health issues where they have no choice with putting weight on, this remote isnt as innovative as nintendo planned.

But i guess no matter what nintendo do, you fools will allways slate the obviouse better consoles, but love nintendos becuase its nintendo.

Hell dvd playback was like, hell who cares, hmm now its possible its wow.

Everything nintendo do, cant go wrong, then when they add something EVEN when slated for other consoles, its loved.

Its completely WIITARDED.

You cant say you hate something, then change your mind becuase nintendo then decide to do it.

[Azariel]

Anyway, I played Wii eysterday adn I also can say, is a lot cool :D . No matter HD, doesn't make any difference when youa re involved on the game :) . The Wii mote is just too cool :D . Me and my wife gave a try ona variety of themes, aproved 10/10

[Retroboy]

and wouldnt you like it better for example.

GC SPLINTER CELL DA with remote

Or

360 SPLINTER CELL DA with remote.

[{{909}}]

and wouldnt you like it better for example.

GC SPLINTER CELL DA with remote

Or

360 SPLINTER CELL DA with remote.


ofcourse a 360 with remote would look better, but it would still be the same game. a nintendo console on par would cost £300 plus, and at that price it would be too much for the target market.
the point of this thread is that red steel is disapointing, it would still be disapointing if it was in HD with lots of eye candy.

[Retroboy]

actually the 360 is a completely different game, this is why i like it, it offers better graphics and different missions to the PS2/GC/XBOX, thats why i find the Wii getting a direct port of it to the wii.

Also look at the delay Zelda got for the GC, erm lets see maybe to include wii funtions then port it saving money.

[redferne]

lets see

GC better than PS2 war, graphics
360/PS3 forced to buy HD, Wii wow HD
Pads, Remote
Errr... Is there anything to understand here?


Wiitards assume the Wii CONSOLE is something excellent, when you all prove your stupidity if you cant tell the difference in XBOX to Wii or GC Zelda to the wii.
Anybody with half a brain can tell the difference. You don't want to see it. And don't assume what poeple think.


The Wii only has a remote to offer, thats it, and as for pads you can access the buttons easily without having to move too much, which is the point of games, its a time out to relax thing.
Watch a movie, it's more relaxing and don't even have to move your finger. Great isn't it?

People are already having problems with the remote, so in nintendo's views you need to excersise more to get past this problem.

im sorry if people want to be fat or have health issues where they have no choice with putting weight on, this remote isnt as innovative as nintendo planned.
And of course that's Nintendo's fault. The remote is innovative as Nintendo planned, not their fault if the devs are still working on it. Do you understand the difference?


But i guess no matter what nintendo do, you fools will allways slate the obviouse better consoles, but love nintendos becuase its nintendo.
Says the sonygnorant...

Hell dvd playback was like, hell who cares, hmm now its possible its wow.
Do you even understand the concept of choice?

Everything nintendo do, cant go wrong, then when they add something EVEN when slated for other consoles, its loved.

Its completely WIITARDED.
What are you talking about?

You cant say you hate something, then change your mind becuase nintendo then decide to do it.
Again, says the sonygnorant.

Well, that's all? I'm going back to work. The Wii, 360 and PS3 on my desk are waiting for me.

[Retroboy]

again fully perfect points, yet ignored by wiitards, making out that beloved nintendo is still better.

OK take a look at screen shots mate/videos and you tell me that the Wii looks miles better than the GC version.

I want your drugs m8, theyll help the local fat mingers get laid.

[redferne]

again fully perfect points, yet ignored by wiitards, making out that beloved nintendo is still better.
Fully perfect point? Where, when?

OK take a look at screen shots mate/videos and you tell me that the Wii looks miles better than the GC version.[/qoute]
A lot better is it good enough for you?
[I want your drugs m8, theyll help the local fat mingers get laid.
...

Again fully perfect points, yet ignored by sonygnorants, making out that beloved sony is still better... See I can do it too.

[Retroboy]

ok, take a look at the games, ignor the fact its using a remote when your comparing them with the last gen.

Here ill hold your hand, you obviously are challenged if you darent go and look yourself.

909 this is the perfect reason i go on, wiitards who actually think this system is something great, no its not, kool controller but games, ahh feck it my point will be proven in 4 years time when people have yet again gotten bored of nintendos home computer system just like the GC did.

[Battlefield]

Compare Madden 2007 instead.

Madden 2007 looks way better on Wii than GC version. Most probably already know, but the Madden controls is far better on Wii than on any other console.

Same goes for Call of Duty 3 Wii which got better reviews than Xbox 360 version because of the gameplay.

[redferne]

ok, take a look at the games, ignor the fact its using a remote when your comparing them with the last gen.

Here ill hold your hand, you obviously are challenged if you darent go and look yourself.
Ok I have seen thing on Wii that you will never see (thx schedule...) and I can tell the Wii IS MUCH better than last gen. Which, this is common sense, make it next gen. But I agree it doesn't compare to the 360 and PS3. The DS is next gen handling regarding the GBA but it's still doesn't compare to the PSP. Next gen IS NOT a standard!! Next gen doesn't define anything. There is a improvement between the Wii and the last gen which make it technicaly next gen. The new remote make it gameplay speaking next gen.


909 this is the perfect reason i go on, wiitards who actually think this system is something great, no its not, kool controller but games, .
So because you say the system is no great it has to be? Many poeple find it a great system.


ahh feck it my point will be proven in 4 years time when people have yet again gotten bored of nintendos home computer system just like the GC did
This is stupid. Poeple get bored of their GC because there weren't enough game developped. This can happen to any system.

[{{909}}]

ok, take a look at the games, ignor the fact its using a remote when your comparing them with the last gen.

Here ill hold your hand, you obviously are challenged if you darent go and look yourself.

909 this is the perfect reason i go on, wiitards who actually think this system is something great, no its not, kool controller but games, ahh feck it my point will be proven in 4 years time when people have yet again gotten bored of nintendos home computer system just like the GC did.
the fact is it is using a remote you idiot, thats like saying remove the next gen gfx from the ps3 and whats left? a ps2.

please, if your point will take 4 years to be proven, then come back in 4 years and tell us how wrong we were.

[Battlefield]

Also remember that either PS3 or 360 is nextgen consoles!
They only have upgraded CPU and GFX. Which is weaker than my 1 year old monster PC. ;)

A true Nextgen console provides new way to play.
Wii have improved CPU, GFX and nextgen controller.

1st gen games dont push Wii, because they make them for the controls.
2nd gen Wii games will have way better GFX and even better controls.

[Azariel]

taht's soemthign Retroboy can't udnerstand, interface changes everything :) , don't even boterh trying to explain to hi. Console must be expenssive, HD and with ehating problems because "works too hard' to be a "next gen " console. Wii is making a big point, as NDS does. They are already part of history, while PS3 and 360 are fading on history as simple upgrades..;) think 6 years later, when Nintendo wills till push the "standard" o gaming, sometiems otehrs succed, but can't win all the time , right?

[Alucard77]

Seriously, is it possible to ban Retroboy off of the Wii forums. It's obvious that all he does it troll and hijack topics. I don't care if he has no life and 2,000+ useless posts of his worthless opinions.

[{{909}}]

Seriously, is it possible to ban Retroboy off of the Wii forums. It's obvious that all he does it troll and hijack topics. I don't care if he has no life and 2,000+ useless posts of his worthless opinions.

he would only post the same things in other sections at every mention of the wii.

full banz0r required!

[deadsoulasis]

Retroboy only does it to wind you up tighter then a clock ..

Ive ordered a Wii ..I have no idea why ...I have to see this thing in action

(just seen on TechNix boards ...someone already took apart to benchmark the Wii since Its been such a secret
I wouldnt take it seriously but

[Quote]
Dev GC's came with 48MB of ram. I think the GC's motherboard has empty ic pads where extra memory can be soldered in, iirc. Been a while since I opened mine to install a qoob PRO chip...

These specs were published by IGN in December. Hardware was supposed to be finalized around E3. Major BS here on the specs.

Also, the Wii-mote was originally supposed to be an add-on to the GC (wired) planned for 2004 but they couldn't get it to respond fast enough.

I still believe a 325MHz System bus and Flipper2 with a 975MHz Broadway.

In a Gamesport "Last Word" interview when ATI developers were showing off DirectX 10's physics capabilities a day before E3, they were asked if physics hardware made it onto any console GPU that they had designed. They responded with "you mean like the Wiiiiii ... no comment." with a few "wink wink"'s.

ATI has a physics card coming out for about $150 that will be directx 10 compliant and work in conjunction with it's video cards.

So I expect some extra functionality from the flipper2 that will not affect GC backwards compatibility. Same for Broadway.

Also, the GC is 576i in PAL territories. So is it hard to believe that Wii could output DVD quality 540p and still not be considered "Hi Def", I think so. Also, 540p upscales well to 1080. So Wii games may look very comparable on certain televisions that have good upscaling features.

One thing I have noticed about E3 demo videos is the smoothness of the animation. Especially on the Madden footage. I'm looking forward to Wii. For everything else, we have our PC's.

[end quote]

Is that true even ..pretty impressive GPU ..from the Looks of the way games run ..Id say its pretty close to that ..

[Retroboy]

taht's soemthign Retroboy can't udnerstand, interface changes everything :) , don't even boterh trying to explain to hi. Console must be expenssive, HD and with ehating problems because "works too hard' to be a "next gen " console. Wii is making a big point, as NDS does. They are already part of history, while PS3 and 360 are fading on history as simple upgrades..;) think 6 years later, when Nintendo wills till push the "standard" o gaming, sometiems otehrs succed, but can't win all the time , right?

interface my arse, its still the exact same game, wow a remote, i bet you people will find playing zelda on the GC far easier than on the Wii.

this is only added becuase people will think its something absolutely super therfore covering the crapyness of the console itself.

[deadsoulasis]

a so called crappy console you admitted your buying Retro *lol* anyways

[Azariel]

interface my arse, its still the exact same game, wow a remote, i bet you people will find playing zelda on the GC far easier than on the Wii.

this is only added becuase people will think its something absolutely super therfore covering the crapyness of the console itself.

Yes my , my friend, "interface" means everything. Comunication and speed is everything to people. Not only make up, but yes, beauty adds. Think computers, until the mouse and Windows ( shittywindows, wasn't a SGI on the time, low power comsuption, massive appealing, got the picture ?) computer where to professionals decoding and compiling stuff. You would never be able to advertise Zelda HD if couldn't be for a change on "interface". The way you open and lock a door, or search songs on your I-pod, is all about interface , change it, improved and you get response from a satisfied public. That's furture.
Wii jsut stepped out from the wrong way and went to the risky and NEW way to do things ;) . Even Sony copied, look how DDR makes success as arcade machine, look street fighter interface, until today made standard. Is all about it.Look to Internet, "Browser" rings a bell? ;) And finally look to NDS sells raising up to the sky...
Even Sony copied, or tried to... that's jsut the way thigns are.
You can add "hardware" to PSP, even cameras, and useless gadgets doesn't increse the "usability of the item. Is a fail, if you think about how Sonmy invested on it, jsut not putting the right "interface".
So jsut take it.. like indaface :D :D :D :D

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg

[Retroboy]

lol i made again a perfect point then get utter wiitarded type of comments.

The remote is ok, the fact that the games remain the same.

I said play Zelda on the GC, then the Wii do you actually think a remote is going to make it more fun?

Ok Zelda GC uses pad and its graphics.

if nintendo decided to actually make a next gen system lets see.

Zelda with crisp realistic graphics + remote.

Your telling me then that tho its the same game with a different controller + miles more realistic graphics ect your not going to enjoy the Wii version more than the GC, becuase you can admire the improved graphics.

Why is GoW loved so much, heck its just another shooter, i must be stupid that its not a big hit game becuase it has excellent graphics aswell as gameplay which none the other is a pad, same as dead rising.

Improved graphics aswell as gameplay is what makes a game more fun to play , if you had this + a remote then the Wii would be the best system arround, fact is its porting last gen games, they look exactly identical only difference is you use a remote.

Nintendo are only relying on a remote to make a system sucsefull.

[{{909}}]

and why do many people prefer playing fps on a pc? even if thier pc cant handle the graphics on the same level, many find the interface much better.

[Retroboy]

and why do many people prefer playing fps on a pc? even if thier pc cant handle the graphics on the same level, many find the interface much better.

Lol its not just becuase of interface, its becuase PC's are easily upgraded to perform better, all FPS games are either war or alien invasion, basically the same.

The fact is you can buy a new FPS game, up your CPU, RAM and graphics card to play it at full spec which blows your mind, playing a war game at its best is what makes this FPS game different to the last.

Graphics again i assume.

Why do PC gamers say PCs are better than consoles, they look simlar, both can use pads, its becuase the PC version (if on a better system) runs faster and has better graphics.

[{{909}}]

Lol its not just becuase of interface, its becuase PC's are easily upgraded to perform better, all FPS games are either war or alien invasion, basically the same.

The fact is you can buy a new FPS game, up your CPU, RAM and graphics card to play it at full spec which blows your mind, playing a war game at its best is what makes this FPS game different to the last.

Graphics again i assume.

Why do PC gamers say PCs are better than consoles, they look simlar, both can use pads, its becuase the PC version (if on a better system) runs faster and has better graphics.

both use pads? not for an fps you dont. the k/b and mouse is far better than a pad for that. the games are better due to better controls.

if half life came out on console, no matter how much better the gfx are, if the controls are inferior ill stick with it on the pc.

[Retroboy]

both use pads? not for an fps you dont. the k/b and mouse is far better than a pad for that. the games are better due to better controls.

if half life came out on console, no matter how much better the gfx are, if the controls are inferior ill stick with it on the pc.

lol, i use both a pad or a mouse, but its not just becuase pc gamers use a mouse, the fact that they can constantly keep upgrading the pc to play fps games at its full spec to play the game with better/faster graphics than a console.

[Azariel]

Here, again..

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg

Repeat with me, Zelda TP is a GC game that got enhanced only to Wii, don't use as a reference for the Wii... that's lame trying to ignore. Zelda TP is a GC with Wii cotnrols.:D

Remember it..

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg

Please..:rolleyes:

[Retroboy]

erm it is, its a ported game, only difference is the controller.

erm how about PS2/GC/Xbox games, there not ports, becuase they have different pads?

No matter what you say, its the exact same game, nothing changed other than the controller, same as splinter cell DA, and all the other ported games the Wii is getting.

[Azariel]

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg

Genius, is a ported game, off curse it is, was delayed to be used on Wii launch.

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg

[Shadowsan]

How about looking at it the other way?

What if after the success it saw people wanted Red Steel on the 360/PS3. Would you complain? Probably not.

My point is that ports are not necessarily a bad thing. What it shows is that people can quickly turnaround quality titles for the Wii with minimum fuss.

The real quality bit is that once it appears on a Wii, it has stuff that no other console can currently provide, full stop.

Face it, currently the Wii has all the bases covered. A gaming machine that provides something no one else has, even if it IS a port.

For instance, how good would WoW be if it was on the Wii? Would people complain THAT is a port? I'm sure they wouldn't.

Shadowsan

[Azariel]

When a store putted the Zelda bonus disc ( OoT ) running on GC, Some people was complaining saying that PS2 does much better than that..:rolleyes:

[Retroboy]

erm redsteel wasnt a big sucsess it got a average rating, if the game was how nintendo are acting and got ported i wouldnt care, if it was completely remade id probably buy it.

But like i say, i wont buy a console that is getting ported games (no improvements) just with a remote, its like buying a 360 and getting exact same ported games.

[{{909}}]

No matter what you say, its the exact same game, nothing changed other than the controller, same as splinter cell DA, and all the other ported games the Wii is getting.

no matter what u say. the fact is a different controller can add new gameplay.

is ddr fun on a pad? nope, but its the same game.
is donkey konga fun on a pad? nope, but its the same game.
is time crisis fun on a pad? nope, but its the same game.

[Retroboy]

When a store putted the Zelda bonus disc ( OoT ) running on GC, Some people was complaining saying that PS2 does much better than that..:rolleyes:

I only got this version with my WW game, and to be honest didnt play it on the GC much as the c buttons were terrible to use on the X Y Z or c analogue.

[Shadowsan]

And what do you think you get on the 360 now?

That's right. You get the SAME games with uprated graphics that you can already get on the original xbox. They are ports, they offer no NEW gameplay.

You just don't realise it because you're ogling the graphics. In fact, this is what's happened since the days of the PS1, same games better graphics. Nothing new just the same stick twiddling that happened before.

Shadowsan

[Retroboy]

Godfather has different features, same as most 360 games these days, but you can sit there and compare a ported title and can actually see that its been improved and not just ported.

[{{909}}]

Godfather has different features, same as most 360 games these days, but you can sit there and compare a ported title and can actually see that its been improved and not just ported.
it has newfeatures but are they there due to the 360 advanced hardwae? no.

they could hav been in all versions tchnically.


is ddr fun on a pad? nope, but its the same game.
is donkey konga fun on a pad? nope, but its the same game.
is time crisis fun on a pad? nope, but its the same game.

[Azariel]

I only got this version with my WW game, and to be honest didnt play it on the GC much as the c buttons were terrible to use on the X Y Z or c analogue.

I played them previously on N64 and PC, but not MM that I played on GC and no problem at all, over the N64 the GC was much much better, indeed GC controller is perfect for Adventure games.
My point is people soemtiems judge thigns without getting all the info they need.

[Retroboy]

point is it would have been nice for nintendo to actually offer you a next gen system, not just a controller it just makes them look cheap, especially with the ds compare how the game look and again the exact same game with better graphics plus controll would have ruled, but nintendo dont like spending cash and have proven this with 2 consoles now.

[Shadowsan]

Please, shut up.

You know nothing of what a 'next-gen' system should be, or even the intended definition of the phrase. So please stop using it.

Next generation means just that - next generation. Not 'has the latest hardware' or 'includes every feature under the sun at a cost' or even 'future proof' which btw is the biggest load of crap i've ever heard.

Nintendo released a product that has been heavily developed, and offers lots of GAMING features. No it doesn't have blu-ray. No it doesn't have HD. This doesn't make it any less next-gen than the next console. However it does have something that is truly new and something that both their competitors do not have, and for that it is truly 'next-gen' if there is such a thing.

As for games, you have already lost that argument - yes there were some launch titles ported from the old architecture to the current one. Big deal. Have a look at the 360 release titles and i'm sure you'll be able to pick out a few of those yourself.

How about looking at it from the other side of the fence instead of having your blinkered viewpoint. If I want HD, i'll get a 360 (as I honestly don't want a ps3 yet, I find it nauseating that Sony is pushing yet ANOTHER format - will they ever learn?) If I want gaming in a way i've never had before then i'll get a Wii. Simple as.

Please, if all you can do is re-iterate the same point again and again, don't bother. You're wasting Maxconsole's bandwidth.

Shadowsan

[Azariel]

point is it would have been nice for nintendo to actually offer you a next gen system, not just a controller it just makes them look cheap, especially with the ds compare how the game look and again the exact same game with better graphics plus controll would have ruled, but nintendo dont like spending cash and have proven this with 2 consoles now.

Yes, your point is wrong, Wii is an upgrade, whatever you say .. go on repeating is not, but people can already feel it, jsut playing the crap of Wii sports s already a difference at perception.
http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg
So that's my "objection to your "proof"

[Retroboy]

next generation means something thats not last gen, something new erm ok whats new for the wii, its remote, the console remains last gen look at the games god with you wiitards you try going on about loads of things to try and aviod that its not, LOOK compare and watch the Wii do just as bad as the GC.

[Azariel]

next generation means something thats not last gen, something new erm ok whats new for the wii, its remote, the console remains last gen look at the games god with you wiitards you try going on about loads of things to try and aviod that its not, LOOK compare and watch the Wii do just as bad as the GC.

You said it, is soemthing new, not a linear evolution, but exponencial or even a new algorythm, if you think graphic upgrade is evolution, so what is the "home console " concept? Interface evolution (aka remote as you say..

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg

like it or not, IS THE evolution, go browsing internet..you will find stated here and there and over and over again....PS3 graphical power really is not impressing, more than the ebay factor, or the price tag, graphics are something you can get used to on a short period of time. Not like the interface difference. Like use a mouse, then use a Graphic tablet, you can't go back..and you can't work better on mouse ;)

[Shadowsan]

You're a fool if you believe that. Plain and simple.

You seem to know nothing of what console hardware/software is about, and you are too ignorant to go find out.

You currently fit in to what most IT people call 'end user'. Someone who doesn't bother to work out why, just pokes buttons and says 'doesn't work, it's broken'.

I bet you're the same kind of person that says the internet isn't working aren't you?

Shadowsan

[Retroboy]

the wii has nothing new other than a controller GOD, yes lets all pay £200 just for a new controller.

[Shadowsan]

Go away you silly little man. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Azariel]

the wii has nothing new other than a controller GOD, yes lets all pay £200 just for a new controller.

You fell very deep with that comment.. :cool: Consider a passage nes to Snes..and that's all, but put more 'revolution" on it. Consdie the hollywood production, going to more low Budget and creative stuff, while leave just a few Biig thigns out...if everythign jsut means bigger and biggger... everything has a threshold, people will cosndier $$ before buying a PS3, that's a bad move. So, Nintendo went for anothe strategy, and very smart and effective. Hail Miyamoto-San!!!

I almsot forgot the detalle:
http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/28333-happyhit.jpg

[Retroboy]

samrt and effective for who, dont give me that no matter how much a console costs people will buy it.

the ways nintendo are is, they wont put money into the wii thefore forcing the nintendo fans to still be playing games slightly better than the last gen, but to supposidly compensate for this they add a remote.

like ive said over and over the remote is going to make ZELDA any more fun, its the exact same game, different controller.

Looking at the games the wii is getting majority of them are also ports.

Yup lets buy a GC2 + remote and play the same games again no improvements at all just different controlls.

[Azariel]

If you can play Nes games ona Snes and call Snes a "slight" improvement over Nes, I bow to you. Wii is an upgrade to GC, very worthy, and robust enough. Just ask developers. The oens that udnerrstand the bussines, that is not your area, you know that. You don't know even what a procedural texture looks like, neither algorythms to cheat Bumps, or normals. So, if you don't know that thigns, and the only thign you know is "bitmapped" textures, your area of udnerstanding becoems very narrow, and from then you get this bashing obssessin. lack of understanding is bad.. information is good, knowledge is better, and wisdom is supreme. :cool:

[Retroboy]

lol snes was miles better than nes, you can tell the difference so shut it, you cant tell the difference with the wii to the last gen.

what you on about.

[{{909}}]

Go away you silly little man. You don't know what you're talking about.

saves me from typing the same, thanks ;

[Azariel]

lol snes was miles better than nes, you can tell the difference so shut it, you cant tell the difference with the wii to the last gen.

what you on about.

heee.. no, it wasn't miles better, but it looked like :) , because was built over the same structure plus some adds ( mode 7) and cartgride had enhanced chips....maybe same near than Wii over GC..and don't come with "Look at zelda" again . :)

[cybereality]

I've got both a Xbox360 and a Wii, so I'm not taking sides here. But beyond Retroboy's mindless ranting, he actually has a point. The Wii is vastly underpowered compared to the PS3/360. Even the NintendoDS was a noticable upgrade from the GBA. The Wii console hardware itself is not a huge leap forward. Granted, it is marginally better than the Gamecube, but it is barely better than Xbox1. Seriously. The Xbox1, hell even the Dreamcast, could support HDTVs *5 years ago* yet Nintendo's so-called "next-gen" system doesnt. The graphics also look very last-gen, even though they may technically be marginally better than GC. If you don't believe me, check out this thread on NextGenWars where I posted some Wii vs. Xbox1 screenshots: http://nexgenwars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132&page=4

The bottomline is that Nintendo could of made it more powerful if they wanted. They could have allowed for DVD movie playback, could have had it output for HD and the system would have cost maybe $50 more. But they didnt. They wanted to go in a different direction. But now they are relying too heavily on the controls to carry the system. So unless a Wii game has awesome controls, it basically just sucks. It goes into this whole graphics vs. gameplay arguement... which falls flat on its ass when you have a mediocre game with bad graphics.

Look at Red Steel (you know, the topic of this thread), the game has a lot going for it, but the controls are weak. So many people are hating on the game. If the game was mediocre, but the graphics were really good and the control decent, I would play it. If the game was awesome, the graphics mediocre with decent controls, I would play it. But if the graphics are mediocre, the game average and the controls horrible... I think I might pass. This is why people are hugely disappointed.

[lobo32332]

doodz, you guys just don't get it..Retroboy has am awesome point. I mean, what if you took away the power cord...all you have is a box that sits next to your TV...yep, thats right...just like the GC LOLZ ITS NOT NEXT GEN BECAUSE THE GFKXs AREN'T PWNING ANYTHING!!!!!111!!!

[Alucard77]

I've got both a Xbox360 and a Wii, so I'm not taking sides here. But beyond Retroboy's mindless ranting, he actually has a point. The Wii is vastly underpowered compared to the PS3/360. Even the NintendoDS was a noticable upgrade from the GBA. The Wii console hardware itself is not a huge leap forward. Granted, it is marginally better than the Gamecube, but it is barely better than Xbox1. Seriously. The Xbox1, hell even the Dreamcast, could support HDTVs *5 years ago* yet Nintendo's so-called "next-gen" system doesnt. The graphics also look very last-gen, even though they may technically be marginally better than GC. If you don't believe me, check out this thread on NextGenWars where I posted some Wii vs. Xbox1 screenshots: http://nexgenwars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132&page=4

The bottomline is that Nintendo could of made it more powerful if they wanted. They could have allowed for DVD movie playback, could have had it output for HD and the system would have cost maybe $50 more. But they didnt. They wanted to go in a different direction. But now they are relying too heavily on the controls to carry the system. So unless a Wii game has awesome controls, it basically just sucks. It goes into this whole graphics vs. gameplay arguement... which falls flat on its ass when you have a mediocre game with bad graphics.

Look at Red Steel (you know, the topic of this thread), the game has a lot going for it, but the controls are weak. So many people are hating on the game. If the game was mediocre, but the graphics were really good and the control decent, I would play it. If the game was awesome, the graphics mediocre with decent controls, I would play it. But if the graphics are mediocre, the game average and the controls horrible... I think I might pass. This is why people are hugely disappointed.


I don't think anyone is arguing the point that Wii has better graphics then the 360 or PS3. The main argueement is that the wiimote brings more fun.

You are right about game controls. If a game has shitty controls, then it will be a shitty game. This is the same regardless of the system you play. I hated Death Jr. on the PSP because the controls were just retarded. So it is not fair to pick on the Wii for this over any other console.

As for Graphics, they only give you that 15-20 minute wow factor. If the game is boring, then you forget about it. It's not like a chick that you can play with all day if she is hot regardless if she is boring. ;)

The remote is an innovation and will revolutionize Sports Games and First Person Shooter. It will make Strategy games easier to play on consoles, and even some people are trying to get them to work on their own PCs. The PS3 and XBOX360 unfortunately offer the same gaming experience as modern day PCs.

Would I like it better if there was amazing graphics with the control scheme? Of course I would. That is a no brainer. But would I rather play games with a wiimote over a sixaxis controller and great graphics? Any day of the week.

The problem is that Retroboy comes around and calls people wiitards for buying a wii. For no other reason then not having a life. He has hijacked 5 threads minimum at last count. So he deserves to get bashed for being a moron.

[deadsoulasis]

[QUOTE=lobo32332]doodz, you guys just don't get it..Retroboy has am awesome point. (huh) I mean, what if you took away the power cord...all you have is a box that sits next to your TV...yep, thats right...just like the GC LOLZ ITS NOT NEXT GEN BECAUSE THE GFKXs AREN'T PWNING ANYTHING!!!!!111!!![/QUOTE

Its only called next gen ...its a faze/fade
Graphics werent why the Wii was built.

[Azariel]

[QUOTE=lobo32332]doodz, you guys just don't get it..Retroboy has am awesome point. (huh) I mean, what if you took away the power cord...all you have is a box that sits next to your TV...yep, thats right...just like the GC LOLZ ITS NOT NEXT GEN BECAUSE THE GFKXs AREN'T PWNING ANYTHING!!!!!111!!![/QUOTE

Its only called next gen ...its a faze/fade
Graphics werent why the Wii was built.

Is that pic, what it says it is? :confused:

[knux896]

you cant tell the difference with the wii to the last gen.
I will take this statement as meaning you haven't seen any real comparisons between Gamecube and Wii games, so I guess I will let you see some.

http://filexoom.com/files/2006/11/19/44708/WiiGC%20Comp1.jpg
http://filexoom.com/files/2006/11/19/44708/WiiGC%20Comp2.jpg

As you can clearly see in several of these comparisons, the Wii does have better graphics than the Gamecube. Saying the Wii has the same capabilities as the Gamecube with a remote is like saying that a car is the same as a bicycle with a steering wheel. They both do the same thing, but one is faster and more powerful than the other.

[Retroboy]

lol funny cod 2 compared to cod3 sure cod3 is going to look better, now compare please cod 3 with cod3, dont go finding different pics for other consoles and compare to different pics for the wii that have more going on in the pic.

[redferne]

lol funny cod 2 compared to cod3 sure cod3 is going to look better, now compare please cod 3 with cod3, dont go finding different pics for other consoles and compare to different pics for the wii that have more going on in the pic.
I'm still wondering how you can write without being able to read...

[Retroboy]

I'm still wondering how you can write without being able to read...

LOL another subject change, you cant compare a older game with a newer game.

[redferne]

LOL another subject change, you cant compare a older game with a newer game.
The subject change is not mine but yours. You just pointed out ONE game over the seven and you are the one still bashing there is no difference between GC and Wii and when someone show you that you are wrong you just made another stupid comment. If the Wii and GC were the same comparing the two game won't have made such a difference.

We love Wii for the gameplay not the graphics. I wanted HD content and I bought a 360. I want different gameplay I'll buy a Wii. It is that simple. Even if there were absolutly no differences betweem GC and Wii I will buy it. We speak fun and gameplay and all your answers are out subject.
As a professionnal (in video game developpement) I know that the Wii hardware is better than the GC. As a professionnal I know that todays game on Wii are far from to be the best it can show even if of course it wont compare to 360 and PS3.

If all you want is graphics take a 360, the PS3 is for now heavyly under used and pay 600$ to have something that looks two years old is not worth it. I'm of course only talking about games, I don't give a crap about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

@+

[Retroboy]

whatever.

Here is then, madden wow not much improvement

COD isnt even the same game god COD2 looks cr@p on the 360 compared to COD3.

Mario looks the same apart from its not using cell like shaded textures

Monkey ball looks almost the same, wii version is brighter

Sonic looks the same, wii version is a skinny sonic lol

Tony Hawks on the xbox looks miles better

And metriod looks almost the same.

Untill you can find pics to compare that are of the same game/part like GS do so you can actually see the difference.

[Azariel]

Who wants to believes ...believes... :)

[redferne]

whatever.
Just I as I thought... I don't agree with you so why bother? Whatever the fact I actually know what I'm talking about, while you obviously don't.

Here is then, madden wow not much improvement

Mario looks the same apart from its not using cell like shaded textures

Monkey ball looks almost the same, wii version is brighter

Sonic looks the same, wii version is a skinny sonic lol

Tony Hawks on the xbox looks miles better

And metriod looks almost the same.
You need to see a doctor.

Untill you can find pics to compare that are of the same game/part like GS do so you can actually see the difference.
How can you compare the same game of last gen et next gen?

COD isnt even the same game god COD2 looks cr@p on the 360 compared to COD3.
Lol, so you admit that more developpement brings better graphics. I let you think. YEAH!! You got it. The next games on Wii will look a lot better than todays. Amazing isn't it?

[Retroboy]

point again, wii COD3 is exactly the same as the xbox version i bet thats why he posted COD2 instead LOL.

Only a idiot cant tell that, and you say i need to see a doctor, lol WIITARD, shut up, you cant compare these, therye completely different anyway.

[deadsoulasis]

Its only fair to give Wii 6+ more months of time before comparing to a Xbox 1 game...
Xbox=Older Nivida Geforce Card(DX8.1)
Wii=ATI DX9+(added bit's)DX10

Wii Games will Improve

[redferne]

point again, wii COD3 is exactly the same as the xbox version i bet thats why he posted COD2 instead LOL.

Only a idiot cant tell that, and you say i need to see a doctor, lol WIITARD, shut up, you cant compare these, therye completely different anyway.
Can't compare but different... Ok proved my point, thanks. You are a complete idiot. It's not that don't want to understand, it's that you can't.
And thanks for calling me a Wiitard, at least I can tell the difference between a Xbox and a GC...

[deadsoulasis]

LOL another subject change, you cant compare a older game with a newer game.

Cant compare Xbox games then cause its been out for years rather then Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf39czDZMeg <--Retroboy's girlfriend(the one in the glasses)

[0 morgan 0]

whatever.

Here is then, madden wow not much improvement

COD isnt even the same game god COD2 looks cr@p on the 360 compared to COD3.

Mario looks the same apart from its not using cell like shaded textures

Monkey ball looks almost the same, wii version is brighter

Sonic looks the same, wii version is a skinny sonic lol

Tony Hawks on the xbox looks miles better

And metriod looks almost the same.

Untill you can find pics to compare that are of the same game/part like GS do so you can actually see the difference.

all companys jump on new consoles with crappy ports to increase profitability. Take Call of Duty 3 its a ported "Next gen game" ofcourse its graphics are dumbed down and its not the best port in the world either but in actually fact it is a port which makes use of the Wiimote. I think you'll find most developers were uneasy to jump on the Wii bandwagon. You'll only notice the companys with excess $$$ putting out titles at launch. Now the Wii is securing its place in the market with its sales figures its definetely here to stay. Im 100% sure you will see more companys start releasing exclusive games or games which take full advantage of the Wiimote.

In actual fact EA have set up a dedicated studio now to deal with Wii titles...

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6162544.html?sid=61625 44

The problem is it only takes one company to put effort in to a game to make you realise a systems potential. For the N64 it was Goldeneye... but when we thought things couldnt get better we had Resident Evil 2 (one of the best looking N64 games) and further one we had Perfect Dark a souped up version of Goldeneye with better graphics and bots in multiplayer. (pushing the boundarys)... The same can be said for the Gamecube, Resident Evil 4 really pushed the system beyond the limits that other developers had pushed it.

For the playstation 2 we had GTA 3 which pushed the system beyond what we thought was possible by the standards of then... but then again Rockstar eventually pushed the boundarys even further with GTA:SA a bigger, more indepth game than we had previously seen.

For the Xbox it was Halo and the Xbox 360 it currently is Gears Of War...

Fact is not all consoles launch with titles that forever change the console, in the case of the Gamecube it took many years to achieve.

The fact your rediculing the system based on half assed ports from companies NOTORIOUS for ports is rediculous beyond belief...

(Mario with exception not being a port... however if you think it looks the same go to the opticians)

[Retroboy]

not at launch i know, launch games are rather turd, but most the games that are getting ported to the wii are not launch titles.

So like the DC you bought a new console but got the same games to the last gen, thats what i dint like on the DC, only a few titles like Sonic, RE CV, HoTD were worth getting, no point buying the same game when it looks/feels almost the same as the last gen (which was PSX and i had for free LOL)

[0 morgan 0]

not at launch i know, launch games are rather turd, but most the games that are getting ported to the wii are not launch titles.

So like the DC you bought a new console but got the same games to the last gen, thats what i dint like on the DC, only a few titles like Sonic, RE CV, HoTD were worth getting, no point buying the same game when it looks/feels almost the same as the last gen (which was PSX and i had for free LOL)

Bah your still stuck in your Xbox/PS mode... the only thing you seem to understand is graphics you seem to completely forget about gameplay & fun. I guess thats why you piss alot of people off on this board. Your're in the wrong section... you took a wrong turning at the "we give a **** about graphics" section and entered the "we care about gameplay & fun more than graphics" area... understand now? I'd much prefer to be playing innovative games and fun games than lame ass ports with the same gameplay and improved graphics that i can get on every other console since the dawn of time.

I have no idea why you post here if you dislike the concept of the Wii so much.

[Retroboy]

no, because the wiitards think becuase the wii isnt offering them next gen graphics that i think thats all that makes games fun.

how can i put this god, i hate trying to think like a wiitard.

What makes RE (remake) better than RE (orrigional), they both have the same storyline, and has new parts, different locations now and then.

The fact that the charactors/zombies look more real (in fact kinda scary lol) made the game feel better to me.

Instead of the PSX poor rendered BG's the GC offered nicely rendered BG's with light flickering, thunder ect it made the game feel more real compared to the PSX.

Now do tell me the above has nothing to do with graphics.

Look at RE for the Wii this is built on the RE remake engine, sure is great, but imagin what the 360 or PS3 could do with it, no more rendered BG's now that + a remote would be cool.

Thats my points, i expect nintendo fans to say its blx, when its a perfect example of why RE remake was better than RE PSX.

[0 morgan 0]

no, because the wiitards think becuase the wii isnt offering them next gen graphics that i think thats all that makes games fun.

how can i put this god, i hate trying to think like a wiitard.

What makes RE (remake) better than RE (orrigional), they both have the same storyline, and has new parts, different locations now and then.

The fact that the charactors/zombies look more real (in fact kinda scary lol) made the game feel better to me.

Instead of the PSX poor rendered BG's the GC offered nicely rendered BG's with light flickering, thunder ect it made the game feel more real compared to the PSX.

Now do tell me the above has nothing to do with graphics.

Look at RE for the Wii this is built on the RE remake engine, sure is great, but imagin what the 360 or PS3 could do with it, no more rendered BG's now that + a remote would be cool.

Thats my points, i expect nintendo fans to say its blx, when its a perfect example of why RE remake was better than RE PSX.

At the end of the day i only enjoyed the remake because i hadnt actually played the original properly. The graphics were an added touch that brought it to the next gen. However remove the graphics and you still have the same game. Essentially you are saying people only played it due to the improved graphics. What if the graphics were there and the gameplay had been removed? Im sure it would be a different story no doubt?... For example would a **** awful game like Superman 64:

http://uk.gamespot.com/n64/adventure/superman64/index.html?q=superman%2064

Be any better on the gamecube with next gen graphics and the same gameplay... no not at all, it still be the dam awful game it was. Which is why even when Resident evil was moved to the next gen, it still would of been the same good game it was on the PSX. The graphics were just a fancy cover to show off the next generation of games. Essentially the game was the same. Ofcourse it all adds up but what im getting at is that the underlying feature of all good games is gameplay.

[Retroboy]

what im saying is, that the game didnt feel like the same game tho it used a pad.

nintendo fans now think that its not graphics that offer a improved feeling like RE remake gave, its the remote.

which then comes back to my point, if the wii offered this aswell as a remote it would definately offer something new to gaming, visually and controll.

[Shadowsan]

what im saying is, that the game didnt feel like the same game tho it used a pad.

nintendo fans now think that its not graphics that offer a improved feeling like RE remake gave, its the remote.

which then comes back to my point, if the wii offered this aswell as a remote it would definately offer something new to gaming, visually and controll.

But it does offer something new to gaming. The control is just a part of it. There's your own customisable Mii character that is part of your own controller (the dreamcast nearly had something similar but they missed the boat) There's the fact that the console is instantly accessible to more gamers than ever because of the price point on launch, there's backward compatability out of the box for 2 different size discs, and the fact that out of all the features it has it's so damned small and quiet.

It just depends on how you look at it. Even the graphics argument is a poor one right now because not many people have pushed the Wii to it's full capabilities. I'd be more interested to read an interview with Miyamoto to ask whether any current launch titles use the full power of the Wii yet... Then we'd get a much more accurate representation of where we are with that. I'm not saying it's amazing across the board, but i'm saying you can't be negative about something you don't know about completely. That's like me saying I hate the ps3 because it's controller is a bit sh*t. I can't really say that, and I haven't. I'm saying I don't like the ps3 because it's a) yet another format shoved down our throats before the tech is mature, and b) it's stupidly expensive for doing what I like most - gaming. And those ARE THE FACTS.

Shadowsan

[Retroboy]

then we get back to why its expensive, apart from the 360 as therye both next gen systems that gurantee fresh games that arent identical ports.

But yea you may think Blue Ray is pushed down your throats (nitendo fans said the same with HD, now they dont lol), but its capacity is perfect for game storage, its expensive because its new, we were in the same boat with dvd which proved ideal for gaming storage, its a shame nintendo decided to wait for it to be cheaper before using it, when the 360 is on DL (now wish was HD dvd mainly to enforce the MS vs Sony war using HD vs BD war).

So for the first year or two on the wii your playing games that look almost the same as your GC or Xbox, where within the first year the 360 has games that have took the world by storm, and this i guess to nintendo fans has nothing to do with the fact it is using graphics???

If MS ripped nintendo and included the same remote to the 360, it would be more sucesfull than the Wii as it offers something that is 100% completely new.

Its a shame really, as soemone will come along and take full advantage of the idea 2nd time round, maybe sony i dont know.

[Shadowsan]

then we get back to why its expensive, apart from the 360 as therye both next gen systems that gurantee fresh games that arent identical ports.

The Wii offers fresh games that aren't identical ports. One to me.



But yea you may think Blue Ray is pushed down your throats (nitendo fans said the same with HD, now they dont lol), but its capacity is perfect for game storage, its expensive because its new, we were in the same boat with dvd which proved ideal for gaming storage, its a shame nintendo decided to wait for it to be cheaper before using it, when the 360 is on DL (now wish was HD dvd mainly to enforce the MS vs Sony war using HD vs BD war).


I do believe formats are being pushed where they were simply not needed. Dual layer discs were plenty capable for lots of games which is why MS released the 360 with it, and is why the Wii has it too. And even back in the day when the ps2 was released it was hardly the price of the ps3 was it? MS have done the right thing and offered HD-DVD as an optional extra, and there's nothing to say nintendo couldn't do this too, or even release another revision of the Wii a la DS lite with a better drive. Two to me.




So for the first year or two on the wii your playing games that look almost the same as your GC or Xbox, where within the first year the 360 has games that have took the world by storm, and this i guess to nintendo fans has nothing to do with the fact it is using graphics???

Firstly, i'll go out and say I bought a 360 on release. I wasn't impressed with the launch games, and I eventually played XBLA and my OLD XBOX titles on it instead. At which point I got angry anyway that I had to patch my 360 to play my old games...

Secondly it's simply a case of look vs feel. Pointless argument, each person has their own opinions about this. Mine is i'd rather have new gaming experiences than new visuals...

And finally there's nothing to say the Wii won't be able to make games that will wow you anyway - it's like you said, they're launch titles. Not really titles that showcase a systems best qualities are they? I was only satisfied with my 360 once i'd got oblivion, and even then I was angry that they'd not sorted out simple bugs such as caching issues that were present in the previous elder scrolls release.

Three to me.



If MS ripped nintendo and included the same remote to the 360, it would be more sucesfull than the Wii as it offers something that is 100% completely new.

Its a shame really, as soemone will come along and take full advantage of the idea 2nd time round, maybe sony i dont know.

But you're missing the point here. People will KNOW MS ripped off nintendo now, just like people know Sony ripped off nintendo with sixaxis. And that will damage reputations and the way people see them, and subsequently damage sales. Not to mention nintendo have got a fair jump on them technology wise, so it would still take time to bring something like that properly to market, at which point people would say 'why bother buying another, when i've got my nintendo?'

It's very hard to take away market share, especially when you've got a product that simply sells itself. Even harder when you've got a product that opens up entirely new share in markets that didn't exist before. The proof of that is to simply ask microsoft how much of a financial hit they had to take to get the xbox's foot in the door initially... Not many companies can afford to take those kinds of hits, and especially not a company like Sony. There's already rumours that with the demotion of Kutaragi that Sony will move out of the home hardware arena after the PS3 and concentrate simply on games and possibly mobile hardware.

Four to me. Would you like to post again so I can rip it apart? I'm bored.

Shadowsan

[Azariel]

http://www.thisiswaiting.com/Untitled-10.jpg

[Retroboy]

hows sony ripped nintendo with six axsis, the axsis is completely different to the remote, nintendo's 3 axsis is a rip.

still remains the fact, nintendo fans still deny all the games coming soon to the wii are identical ports, please take a look at them.

You still think that the remote makes the console super even tho the games wont improve much visually, when ive given a perfect example what made RE better for the GC, it didnt need a remote, same with zelda why it will be the best zelda yet, when it has and allways has had the same basic story line, just different levels.

[Azariel]

hows sony ripped nintendo with six axsis, the axsis is completely different to the remote, nintendo's 3 axsis is a rip.

still remains the fact, nintendo fans still deny all the games coming soon to the wii are identical ports, please take a look at them.


Gasp! :eek: can u repeat that again, I think i read something, and i hope you are not getting blind by your fanboism... :eek:

[Retroboy]

hows it fanboy, becuase your wiitarded ears cant understand that six axsis is not a remote, but the DS's 3 axsis is exactly the same, hence its name.

[Azariel]

WOW, the first was the batarang, then came the revolution, magically Sony came up with a "mot'ion "(tilt) sensing PSpad.. after the hype of the Wii mote.. you are quite blind really. Is not a Rip, ebcause Sony can't openly put the same interface on PS3 without admiting they copied, they do what they could do best...include a tilt on the ps3...and that's Rip enough :D .. Now, DS is a dual screen based on an old design of Nintendo LCD games...added a Touch pad and screen, still the Dual screen and Touch pad system on a handheld is the creative issue ..hehehe.. But if you want to distort as a Rip, is ok , but that's for you, not for the other 99.9999999999 % of the world

[Retroboy]

lol six axsis is nothing like the wiimote, it for one is better in ways that you dont have to have a sensor tube to pick it up.

Its funny how everything nintendo do its classed as they invented it, lol theyve copied the six axsis to the DS.

[Azariel]

Now, your next comment will be Sony "improved " the Wii-mote and made better on the PS3 controller. So, wow, I hope you be happy playing COD pointing with the ..ahem..sorry...playing with the PS3"revolutionary" device.. :D

[Retroboy]

no, ive not said that, nor will do, as theyre different.

[Azariel]

lol six axsis is nothing like the wiimote, it for one is better in ways that you dont have to have a sensor tube to pick it up.



You said is better. :rolleyes: So retreat your words.

[Retroboy]

its better in the way that you dont get cramp, you dont need safety straps preventing it from launching and breaking things and it doesnt need a sensor tube, LEARN TO READ.

So yea overall its better.

[Azariel]

I didn't know you need that things.. I guess you still get food from mom's spoon, while you can't afford keep things on your grip... never play baseball? Tennis? Annyone saw tennis player using strap? :)

And wait, this is unique and pure fanboism, let me take note of the
" its better in the way that you dont get cramp, you dont need safety straps preventing it from launching and breaking things and it doesnt need a sensor tube, LEARN TO READ.

So yea overall its better."

That's soemthing everyone must read.. :) uh yeah...

[redferne]

hows sony ripped nintendo with six axsis, the axsis is completely different to the remote, nintendo's 3 axsis is a rip.
Once again you don't know what you are talking about. The Wiimote is 3 axes AND motion sensor which is a miles away better. And face it, before E3 absolutly nobody has ever heard of the SIXAXIS and especially the developpers that worked with Sony on games that will be at launch. They didn't want to pay for vibration and obviously need something to replace it if they don't want to be bash by everybody. A few month before Nintendo annouced the Wiimote and Sony decided to make something similar of their own because the idea is good. They didn't exactly "copy" the Wiimote but face it is extremely similar. But the PS3 wasn't designed to be a Wii so nothing particular was developped for the pad. It is just a gadget to help player forget about the vibration.


still remains the fact, nintendo fans still deny all the games coming soon to the wii are identical ports, please take a look at them.
Red Steel and Rayman are port of what?
Ok you are right on this one many launch titles are present on many system. But at least there is more than 4 titles available. I have to agree with you, maybe less titles but also less ports would have be better I think.


You still think that the remote makes the console super even tho the games wont improve much visually, when ive given a perfect example what made RE better for the GC, it didnt need a remote, same with zelda why it will be the best zelda yet, when it has and allways has had the same basic story line, just different levels.
In fact that is your opinion. Personnaly I prefer the first version. When I played the remake, of course it was great with the new graphics but there were nothing new and I rapidly get bored...
You don't like Zelda, again that is your opinion. Everybody knows, espacially the Zelda's fan, what they will found in a Zelda but we still have fun because there is always many things new in the gameplay and there is always what we liked in the older ones. Nostalgia maybe? Personnaly my favorite is the first one on NES.

[Azariel]

For RetroSonyfanboy everything is a port on Wii, even Project hammer, is a port...from Wii itself.. :D .. Or is a port..from the future, yes.. or a port, from what the guy on Singapure that was trying to produce a game 20 years ago and none never ehard about.. and so on .. so the same ..

[Retroboy]

yup and let the wiitards shove compete to see who loves nintendo more and see who can shove the remote the furthest up their a$$.

your still complaining when the PS3 pad is not the same as the remote, do tell me then mr im right, how it is the same.

GO ON FECKING DO IT, ABOUT TIME WIITARDS START PROVING SH!T INSTEAD OF SAYING, WE DONT CARE, or YOUR A FANBOY, ENLIGHTEN ME, YOUR SO KNOWLEDGABLE, HOWS THE PS3 PAD THE SAME TO THE REMOTE.

[Azariel]

It's like "reset" ...click.... :)

[Retroboy]

there we have it, a wiitard claims, cant prove so changes subject, answer the question how or why you claim that the six axsis is copying nintendo's remote?

[Shadowsan]

The technology isn't the same. Granted.

The concept of movement tracking controllers however is. But even though the concept was commercially announced and shown by nintendo first, the sixaxis system seems like a weaker copy, pushed into a housing that really doesn't take advantage of that technology. However they couldn't justify themselves at all by putting it into a wiimote-esque design because then people would completely say sony were ripping off nintendo design, and that wouldn't sell consoles.

Happy? I can back up a shedload of what I say with facts, so don't even get me started. I know exactly how sixaxis works vs the wiimote, 2 very similar ideas using similar technology implemented differently. However nintendo got it to market first, so everything else is technically a copy in the publics eyes.

Shadowsan

[redferne]

there we have it, a wiitard claims, cant prove so changes subject, answer the question how or why you claim that the six axsis is copying nintendo's remote?
You should really learn to read. I said they didn't exactly copy it. Just like Microsoft didn't exactly copy Xerox.
The SIXAXIS is a simpler Wiimote. The pad is axe centered where the Wiimote is not. So basicly the Wiimote will recognize all the movement made by the player (And I said BASICLY). The problem with the SIXAIS is no developpers cares about it. Blazing Angel is just joke and is much better with a pad. And it won't be better with the Wiimote. In fact that kind of game should only be played with a joystick...
And come on don't more a moron that you are, the SIXAXIS is just a gizmo. The PS3 has so much more to offer than a gimped Wiimote.

[Retroboy]

yes but there not the same, one is fully to controll games, the other is only to add sertain features eg FNR3 flick the pad to the right and you sway then flick to the left along with R2 to force a hay maker to the head

or x to accellerate turn left/right to stear, it doesnt work like point press to shoot

but the DS axsis is a perfect copy, just not as good.

[Azariel]

but the DS axsis is a perfect copy, just not as good.

A perfect copy...of...?

[Shadowsan]

Don't worry about him Azariel - he's delusional.

He believes the Wii is a clock pumped GC, with 'just a remote' that uses nothing but old technology, that will re-release super mario sunshine for it just using the remote, and that the ps3 is god that will come down and smite all the non-believers, and that for a game to be new it has to look better than real life.

One day he may snap out of it and realise the ps3 is an extremely expensive paperweight currently, and unless Sony can pull off a massive achievement (what with being last to market and all the manufacturing problems it has, not to mention the format war) it may just whimper out and be nothing more than the worlds most powerful BluRay player.

He'll never like the Wii, he should just have it in his signature and be done with it. Then at least he wouldn't have to go to as much effort every time he posts just to say the same sh*t over and over ;)

Shadowsan

[0 morgan 0]

RetroFANboy

Although I imagine you probably arn't old enough to remember any RETRO consoles... RETRO being in a period where gameplay was greater than graphics because graphical technologies just didnt exsist!

[Alucard77]

Also, lets just take it at face value, he is a moron.

He has never played a Wii, so he is commenting based off of screen shots and nothing else.

It's funny that he has never responded to a single post of mine, because I know I'll rip him a new one. I looked through all of his retarded posts and he has absolutely no arguements.

My favorite is the COD2 vs. COD3 screenshots and how they were compared. The person posted 7+ game comparison screen shots that illustrated that retroboy was a moron. Retroboy responded by saying COD2 and 3 were different games, and it was an unfair comparison so the whole arguement is rediculous. So basically the other 6 screen shots proved him wrong were useless.

The only thing I hate about the internet is that in real life, this kid would get his ass beat. On the internet he could just come around and say and do whatever he wants with no reprocussions.

We should ignore him though, he is ruining this portion of our site. Please report him to other mods on these boards. I think if the mods here got the post complaining about him messing everything up, they would eventually have to react.

[Azariel]

RetroFANboy

Although I imagine you probably arn't old enough to remember any RETRO consoles... RETRO being in a period where gameplay was greater than graphics because graphical technologies just didnt exsist!

Believe or not, RetroSonyfanboy is over 30 eyars old, but on the forum acts like a teenager under 17 that lives under parents roof with no worries and no responsabilites at all, flaming everywhere, hecen makes you think if he is really 30 years old, :confused:

[Jesster]

The SIXAXIS is a simpler Wiimote. The pad is axe centered where the Wiimote is not. So basicly the Wiimote will recognize all the movement made by the player (And I said BASICLY).

"axe centered"? What is that supposed to mean? We've been over this several times on these boards. As far as motion sensing is concerned, the only difference between the Wii Remote and the SIXAXIS is the infra-red pointer/sensor bar.


The problem with the SIXAIS is no developpers cares about it.

Factor 5 (the developers of "Lair") seem to care quite a bit. I saw an interview with one of them talking about how they'd been begging Sony to adopt a motion sensing controller for a while. Seems it took the competition doing it to finally get them to listen.

-=The Jesster: Gatchaba Goose=-

[redferne]

"axe centered"? What is that supposed to mean? We've been over this several times on these boards. As far as motion sensing is concerned, the only difference between the Wii Remote and the SIXAXIS is the infra-red pointer/sensor bar.
Sorry my english isn't good enough to explain it with 3D geometry but you are absolutly right.


Factor 5 (the developers of "Lair") seem to care quite a bit. I saw an interview with one of them talking about how they'd been begging Sony to adopt a motion sensing controller for a while. Seems it took the competition doing it to finally get them to listen.

-=The Jesster: Gatchaba Goose=-
One studio compared to the dozen on Wii just prove my point. All we can do is hope that the SIXAXIS won't became a gadget. Even if Factor 5 is a great studio and I think they can make something good with it, I'm afraid that won't be enough.

[tomo288]

Reroboy how can you keep saying that all the nintendo wii is doing is chucking out ports when you didn't even take into account what the ps3 has to offer. Hmm lets see... oh exactly the same as the 360 except some shitty race game, and an fps that cant even shine a candle to gears of war.

Wow yeah i cant wait to buy a ps3, sounds like a great choice, for "originallity" and "fun"

Btw if your gonna argue with games like mgs4 and such, then dont bother, as the wii has plenty going for it to, ("ssbb, mario galaxy, metriod3, sonic, wario ware, mario party") and not one of them is a port.

Lol let sony keep feeding you with a spoon!

[Jesster]

One studio compared to the dozen on Wii just prove my point. All we can do is hope that the SIXAXIS won't became a gadget. Even if Factor 5 is a great studio and I think they can make something good with it, I'm afraid that won't be enough.

Give it time. Admittedly, sony did spring the whole SIXAXIS motions sensing capabilities on the industry at the last minute, so most of the launch titles don't make much use of them. However I'm sure eventually the they will be used more extensively in 2nd generation titles. Some developers might just use it as a sort of tacked on feature (like shaking off enemies in Resistance), and that's fine if the game's main control scheme doesn't lend itself well to motion-control. However other games will surely use it more extensively. For example, flight simulation type games and driving games lend themselves well to use of the motion sensing, and I expect most of those types of titles to at least have the option to use the SIXAXIS that way in the future. Who knows what other innovative applications developers will find for it?

-=The Jesster: Gatchaba Goose=-

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Give it time. Admittedly, sony did spring the whole SIXAXIS motions sensing capabilities on the industry at the last minute, so most of the launch titles don't make much use of them. However I'm sure eventually the they will be used more extensively in 2nd generation titles. Some developers might just use it as a sort of tacked on feature (like shaking off enemies in Resistance), and that's fine if the game's main control scheme doesn't lend itself well to motion-control. However other games will surely use it more extensively. For example, flight simulation type games and driving games lend themselves well to use of the motion sensing, and I expect most of those types of titles to at least have the option to use the SIXAXIS that way in the future. Who knows what other innovative applications developers will find for it?

-=The Jesster: Gatchaba Goose=-
Believe me you don't want a flight simulating game with that kind of control (same for the Wiimote).
The main difference between the SIXAXIS and the Wiimote is that the whole (spelling?) console is based around the wiimote. The PS3 is totally different. It's like the vibration. When the vibration come out a very few games used it and it wasn't for the best. It took about 2 consoles generation to have it in almost every game. For the PS3 the SIXAXIS must be something "more" like a good bonus. Developper can't make a game just for the pad like on Wii. Which is one flaw of the Wii, the dependance toward the controller. Just see Red Steel. Some says the controls are "ubber" fun and enjoyed the game very much, others absolutly hated it and completly bashed the title.

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[Jesster]

Believe me you don't want a flight simulating game with that kind of control (same for the Wiimote).

Maybe not for a truly realistic flight simulator, but for games that just involve a flying vehicle of some sort and don't care too much aobut the realism of the control scheme, the motion sensing control works allows for far more precise control than an analog stick. This is exactly why Factor 5 are so interested in the SIXAXIS, as their game Lair revolves mostly around flying around on the back of a dragon.


The main difference between the SIXAXIS and the Wiimote is that the whole (spelling?) console is based around the wiimote. The PS3 is totally different.

I agree with you there. The Wii puts a lot of emphasis on their unique controller, and expects all developers to make use of it (or at least that's how it seems with the current selection of games). It works great for games that are designed specifically for it. Developers of games designed for a more traditional control-scheme have to find a way to make make their games work using the Wiimote.


For the PS3 the SIXAXIS must be something "more" like a good bonus. Developper can't make a game just for the pad like on Wii.

Why can't they? Just because the SIXAXIS functions just like a DualShock with motions sensors (minus the vibration) doesn't mean a PS3 developer couldn't make a game based solely around the motion-sensing control scheme. Sony isn't demanding that their developers use all the buttons on the controller. Just look at Katamari Damacy on the PS2. Pretty much the entire game is controlled only with the two analog sticks. A developer could certainly come out with a similar game that is controled entirely by moving the controller around if they wanted to.


Which is one flaw of the Wii, the dependance toward the controller. Just see Red Steel. Some says the controls are "ubber" fun and enjoyed the game very much, others absolutly hated it and completly bashed the title.

Exactly. I was considering picking up Red Steel, but after playing Zelda a bit and realizing how shaky it is trying to aim with the Wiimote, I decided I'd rather not play a fast-paced FPS game like that.

-=The Jesster: Gatchaba Goose=-

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Maybe not for a truly realistic flight simulator, but for games that just involve a flying vehicle of some sort and don't care too much aobut the realism of the control scheme, the motion sensing control works allows for far more precise control than an analog stick. This is exactly why Factor 5 are so interested in the SIXAXIS, as their game Lair revolves mostly around flying around on the back of a dragon.
I didn't think of course of real simulating game. But on more arcade game I'm not sure of the interest. But maybe Factor 5 will prove that I was wrong.


I agree with you there. The Wii puts a lot of emphasis on their unique controller, and expects all developers to make use of it (or at least that's how it seems with the current selection of games). It works great for games that are designed specifically for it. Developers of games designed for a more traditional control-scheme have to find a way to make make their games work using the Wiimote.

Why can't they? Just because the SIXAXIS functions just like a DualShock with motions sensors (minus the vibration) doesn't mean a PS3 developer couldn't make a game based solely around the motion-sensing control scheme. Sony isn't demanding that their developers use all the buttons on the controller. Just look at Katamari Damacy on the PS2. Pretty much the entire game is controlled only with the two analog sticks. A developer could certainly come out with a similar game that is controled entirely by moving the controller around if they wanted to.
The problem ofr the PS3 is that it's considered as a newer 360. Nothing more. And I'm talking from the developpers side. You also have to consider that the way you handle the controllers. The way you handle a pad is limiting compared to the Wiimote. But you are right we might see a few games that perfectly use it but they won't compare to the Wiimote (in good or bad) it will be totally different.
In fact I don't understand why poeple keep opposing the two, they are absolutly different, gameplay speaking.


Exactly. I was considering picking up Red Steel, but after playing Zelda a bit and realizing how shaky it is trying to aim with the Wiimote, I decided I'd rather not play a fast-paced FPS game like that.

-=The Jesster: Gatchaba Goose=-
Bah give it a try, you'll see it's quite fun to play.

[Alucard77]

Believe me you don't want a flight simulating game with that kind of control (same for the Wiimote).
The main difference between the SIXAXIS and the Wiimote is that the whole (spelling?) console is based around the wiimote. The PS3 is totally different. It's like the vibration. When the vibration come out a very few games used it and it wasn't for the best. It took about 2 consoles generation to have it in almost every game. For the PS3 the SIXAXIS must be something "more" like a good bonus. Developper can't make a game just for the pad like on Wii. Which is one flaw of the Wii, the dependance toward the controller. Just see Red Steel. Some says the controls are "ubber" fun and enjoyed the game very much, others absolutly hated it and completly bashed the title.

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I have to really disagree with you on the flight simulator part. You can hold the Wiimote the same way you would hold the lever to steer a plane (Perpendicular to the ground). The trigger button can work to shot and so on. This is actually more confortable then any other system currently out.

As for the control system for the Wii, I alsways get amazed on how people forget that control issues effect all systems. If a game is made with a shitty control system the game will suck, regardless if it is with a wiimote or with a PS3 Sixaxis controller.

Think of all the games you played on any of the previous systems, where you thought to yourself, why the hell did they make the L2 button a look button, or something of the sort. It is the developer that needs to think of a good use of the controller. It is not the controller to be blamed.

[Alucard77]

Exactly. I was considering picking up Red Steel, but after playing Zelda a bit and realizing how shaky it is trying to aim with the Wiimote, I decided I'd rather not play a fast-paced FPS game like that.

-=The Jesster: Gatchaba Goose=-

Well, I don't have any problems in Zelda. I can hit almost anything on horse back with the bow and arrow. And if I am standing still I can hit the bullseyes one after another rater quickly.

It does take a little getting use to, but it is a lot more comfortable then playing any other FPS on a non pc system.

[Jesster]

Well, I don't have any problems in Zelda. I can hit almost anything on horse back with the bow and arrow. And if I am standing still I can hit the bullseyes one after another rater quickly.

It does take a little getting use to, but it is a lot more comfortable then playing any other FPS on a non pc system.

I don't doubt that, but then again, I normally refuse to play FPS games without a mouse anyway. The Wii Remote might be better than an analog stick for aiming, but is it close enough to the accuracy of a mouse to make it worth playing that way? Based on my experience with Zelda, I'd say no. Although I might borrow/rent Red Steel at some point just to check it out.

-=The Jesseter: Gatchaba Goose=-

[xllzerollx]

Well, I don't have any problems in Zelda. I can hit almost anything on horse back with the bow and arrow. And if I am standing still I can hit the bullseyes one after another rater quickly.

It does take a little getting use to, but it is a lot more comfortable then playing any other FPS on a non pc system.
lol, i can aim 12 inches away from the bullseye and dtill hit them, for zelda you can aim close to what you want and is good as perfect

[Souzar]

I don't doubt that, but then again, I normally refuse to play FPS games without a mouse anyway. The Wii Remote might be better than an analog stick for aiming, but is it close enough to the accuracy of a mouse to make it worth playing that way? Based on my experience with Zelda, I'd say no. Although I might borrow/rent Red Steel at some point just to check it out.

-=The Jesseter: Gatchaba Goose=-

Try the following:

increase the sensitity in the wii menu to about 4 if you're about 9ft away from your screen. play in progressive mode if possible the standard cable is really poor. Try not to use an LCD as they are slow when it comes to screen update and can make the pointer appear laggy. I was surprised to find how fast anda curate the wiimote is when it comes to pointing, I have yet to try out red steel but the aiming in zelda was spot on, the sword fighting was a bit frantic, but once you get used to it, it's ok.