Namco Designer has Concrerns over Revolution Controller Design

[Zeus]

In an interview with 'Games Developer' Keita Takahashi has let his feelings be known on the Nintendo Revolution controller. He believes too much emphasis is being put on the controller. Takahashi was quoted as saying ''I see what [Nintendo is] trying to do, but they're putting such emphasis on the controller; 'Woah, this controller lets you do this!' and I'm thinking - are you messing with us ?''

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Takahashi commented of the Revolution, which has drawn widespread praise for its underlying concepts from other Eastern and Western designers: "I'm not really interested in it. I don't think a controller should have that much influence on the enjoyment of games."


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[tX_ram]

I've never been a fan of Namco.

[rAvin]

I think its very important to have a new way of controlling the games, im so tierd of the old ps2, xbox...controllers..

[chukz]

"I don't think a controller should have that much influence on the enjoyment of games"
coming from Namco... the people that makes Point Blank (they sell this with a GUN (controller), and Ridge Racer (steering wheel), and Tekken (fighting stick)...so yeah i guess controllers aren't that important? have u ever tried playing these games w/o their respective controllers... w/e

Seriously I think if Nintendo would not have come out with the analog stick for their N64, would we see as much interest in games than previous generations?
Think of PSX when it came out without the analog sticks, it felt like SNES with enhanced graphics, throw in an analog controller, you get a new DEPTH that graphics can't compare with...

Same is happening currently with Dual Analogs, as well as what the Nintendo DS is doing with the touch screen... new ways to allow you to enjoy the games that don't just make it feel like it's the same thing with nicer colors.

This guy is either the one that does the credits at the end or beginning of the games, or doesn't understand making videogames is different than playing them

[Dirtie]

Err, actually he's the brainchild behind Katamari Damacy. But I can see what he's trying to get at - innovation takes more than just a controller, it also needs to be in the game.

[Helack101]

Mhhhh this looks bad especialy since Namco has been very close to nintendo these recent years ,and have even took developed first party character games. like StarFox Assault for the NGC.

[RottenFox]

^^which was rubbish^^

[smithery]

He says in the article that he's not really interested in doing anything with it. Give me a flippin break, how could you not be interested in implementing motion sensing technology into a video game? The purpose of video games is to create a virtual scenerio. Sorry, but when i drive a car, i don't steer left and right with my thumb and give the car gas with my other thumb. When i shoot a gun i don't aim with a digital pad or analog stick, i aim the gun and pull the trigger. When i fish, i don't push a button to cast my line, when i punch someone, i don't hit button A. This dude just makes himself look like he's not smart enough to come up with any ideas. What's there not to accept about the revolution control mechanism? Honestly, it's the best thing to come to video games since 3d environments. Sounds like he's just a hater to me.

[TostiXXX]

Only good games namco made are the katamari games, they should be on the cube.

[{{909}}]

as much as i loved the katamari games, i dont really think they guy has earned any sort of title to speak out for namco like that.

Making katamari could, and probably will, be the fluke hit of his short career in gaming. its only the gaming environemnt of today thats givin him the superstar status, if he made the game 5 years ago it would have come and gone like many games have in the past.

[Azariel Z]

Namco made ~Tales of XX~ series, i respect that, maybe the guy is jsut in a fuzz, because Nintendo marketing is focusing more on the tool than on the art. Both points are true, if the control is wonderful, the game must be worth to be played. The guy got his point view, we need good games too . So start the brainstorm , and get the proper credits. I wish to see a "Tales of" game on Wii very soon..

[XYZ1]

I've heard that the final graphics hardware from ATI is not finished so far, hopefully that's true.
I hope they use a GPU from ATI' actual product lineup and not only a modified Gamecube GPU as basis.
Then I think Wii will be very successful. But if they only have this old school graphics and just focusing on the new controller I think they won't be very successful.

Wouldn't it be great if as a surprise the Wii will have very good graphics compared to actual PC games at the launch day? I think then it will be a killer system.

[Azariel Z]

The ATI development for the Cube and Wii purposes, is a completely different architecture than a normal PC graphic card, means is optimized for great and deep performance, based on the Cube adn Wii hardware, and doesnt resemble a Graphic card CPU on many aspects, I dont know the deep level technical issues but, is being this way to improve the hardware specs, and to take advantage of the custom chip in game by developers, most for the oens developoing exclusively for Nitnendo plataform. The point is do the best with the less and more ffective, I saw the demos on the E3 videos, and i feel they were very appealing, and for me as a gamer the most important is to have a good game running on the console, and how much fun you can get from it.
Say thigns like Tales of Symphonya, Resident Evil 4, etc they are games that were developed under the ATI s custom chip, and some of them ported later, maybe with a slight graphic difference, to down.. due the fact the chips are not the same structure. It alwasy comes to the point , developers will need time to invest on research and to adquire the best results, with evolving techniques, and tricks. I bet Nintendo wont let people down, and I wish they jsut go up, and like Fx doesnt emans clearly a good movie ( Star wars III, Mission impossible, etc ) content will always impress and imprint more.

[Retroboy]

i do think hes talking about nintendo here.

nintendo making a big fuss over this controller and he thinks its not that great.

come on theyre putting all this energy into a sodding controller, erm.... how about making the console better.

this wont be a console for adults, unless they dont mind playing kiddie games.

[Azariel Z]

Yes, yes, let s do porn, blood and Gore, this clearly means "adult" and increase the 'rating" of a game, let s not play Mario, Zelda adn all the mascots, because "adults" can't have fun with it for sure! We just need the slogan now!
If you own a PSP you are "adult" since you can playback your "adult " games content with it, and oh, it's grrrrreat collection of games, if you own a DS, you are a kid!!!, for sure!!:D !!, that doesnt stand a chance agains "adult" games, so you MUST play NDS, no Choice :)
GTA, Ridge Race,Black, Tekken are clearly "adult" games, as they 'dare' to put an "adult" brain to work.
Oh yeah, to use both hands and wave a controller, is too much "kiddy", so let s rate 'under 5 only'. So analizing this way if QI and Rating ( adult??? ) is something straightly connected, we should recommend movies with Rating 18, to everyone an incredible culture and "deep mind" experience. And, oh boy, how much 'smart' those scripts are. "Saw" anyone??
To define an "adult" game is very relative, there is not such concept. Like a 14 years old kid drinking whiskey and beer, or 45 Veteran driking tomatoes. Who's the stupid? On which point of view? who's kiddy?
People is always addicted to something, and depends on the experiences on life, enviroment, and many external facts, the addiction has many shapes, and is somethign natural. But expossing children to thigns like violence, sex, gore and blood, it s being measured, with a reference, to avoid children become too familiarized or even addicted to it, even maybe grow potencial psycho :o , if you can cut the %, on home without supervision and good education, could mean less kids playing killers with guns at school, just for the fun :rolleyes: It can look "cool", on a child or teenager s eye, to watch movies , shoting guns, cutting, slashing, smashing, yeah ... great.
But that doesn't define an "adult". So, there is no rating to Chess for example , is simple and complex. Is it a kiddy game? Adult game? How many people actually "know" how to play with? Is it "adult" to drive a car, with your friend putting his butt out of the window? Same with the games, they can look "kiddy", who cares? There is public to it, since is an entertainement product, like a Basketball's Ball with a "tweety" logo on it, or Maybe "mickey mouse', won't make any difference since you will "play" with it, adults, teenagers, children, even babies.
So Rating or Adult is just a matter of perspective, they are just standards, and an "adult" game doesnt really exist, games just try to target certain public, or different % of it.

[Retroboy]

Yes, yes, let s do porn, blood and Gore, this clearly means "adult" and increase the 'rating" of a game, let s not play Mario, Zelda adn all the mascots, because "adults" can't have fun with it for sure! We just need the slogan now!
If you own a PSP you are "adult" since you can playback your "adult " games content with it, and oh, it's grrrrreat collection of games, if you own a DS, you are a kid!!!, for sure!!:D !!, that doesnt stand a chance agains "adult" games, so you MUST play NDS, no Choice :)
GTA, Ridge Race,Black, Tekken are clearly "adult" games, as they 'dare' to put an "adult" brain to work.
Oh yeah, to use both hands and wave a controller, is too much "kiddy", so let s rate 'under 5 only'. So analizing this way if QI and Rating ( adult??? ) is something straightly connected, we should recommend movies with Rating 18, to everyone an incredible culture and "deep mind" experience. And, oh boy, how much 'smart' those scripts are. "Saw" anyone??
To define an "adult" game is very relative, there is not such concept. Like a 14 years old kid drinking whiskey and beer, or 45 Veteran driking tomatoes. Who's the stupid? On which point of view? who's kiddy?
People is always addicted to something, and depends on the experiences on life, enviroment, and many external facts, the addiction has many shapes, and is somethign natural. But expossing children to thigns like violence, sex, gore and blood, it s being measured, with a reference, to avoid children become too familiarized or even addicted to it, even maybe grow potencial psycho :o , if you can cut the %, on home without supervision and good education, could mean less kids playing killers with guns at school, just for the fun :rolleyes: It can look "cool", on a child or teenager s eye, to watch movies , shoting guns, cutting, slashing, smashing, yeah ... great.
But that doesn't define an "adult". So, there is no rating to Chess for example , is simple and complex. Is it a kiddy game? Adult game? How many people actually "know" how to play with? Is it "adult" to drive a car, with your friend putting his butt out of the window? Same with the games, they can look "kiddy", who cares? There is public to it, since is an entertainement product, like a Basketball's Ball with a "tweety" logo on it, or Maybe "mickey mouse', won't make any difference since you will "play" with it, adults, teenagers, children, even babies.
So Rating or Adult is just a matter of perspective, they are just standards, and an "adult" game doesnt really exist, games just try to target certain public, or different % of it.

wtf, that makes no sence at all, if you cant define/tell the diffrence from a adult game to a kiddie game then :eek:

1. make your **** easy to read, paragraphs.

2. sony and microsoft make a console and make it for all ages, games for kids and games for adults.

i am not saying nintendo should only make adult games you retard, im saying they should make more games for the adult market, instead they keep making zelda games, pokemon, mario this mario that, they cut blood out of a fps which ok isnt bad but then claiming the wii will have blood and all it is, is when your get shot.

the Wii will be a repeat performance of the GC.

[Azariel Z]

wtf, that makes no sence at all, if you cant define/tell the diffrence from a adult game to a kiddie game then :eek:

1. make your **** easy to read, paragraphs.

2. sony and microsoft make a console and make it for all ages, games for kids and games for adults.

i am not saying nintendo should only make adult games you retard, im saying they should make more games for the adult market, instead they keep making zelda games, pokemon, mario this mario that, they cut blood out of a fps which ok isnt bad but then claiming the wii will have blood and all it is, is when your get shot.

the Wii will be a repeat performance of the GC.

Dont call other people retard, that is out of etiquette :) , we are here to express ideas. I dont see myself as a Retard, since I speak 4 languages, My IQ is 120, I have my Univ Degree, work on the special Fx market where we need to use the creativity and technical knowledge all the time, also I am married, I like to read, I study quantum physics when I have time, read about mythology, and religions of the world, also other culture stuff. On some free time, I love to spend alone or with my wife playing on consoles, Gamecbe and PS2, with dance pads, bongos, microphone and notice she is a CEO on a Big company. We are not fat either, we do take care of our lives, health and money :) So, please, dont call out otehr people with bad names, or definitions.
My point was sarcarsm, I am sorry if I didn t reach the point, but what I mean is there is not a concept of "game for kids". Games for adults is a rating only, but doesn't mean is a game based on your Intelligence, they could be very "kiddy" too, on way/style to play, with just some blood, gore, eroticism, that s all. That's why I gave "chess' as an example.
I dont mind to play Mario, Zelda and Metroid. Even they look kiddy. Or games with blood and gore, since "there is" a reason to it, and they are not the "main star" of the game and they are not there only to increase the rating, to sell more.
Take GTA for example, and take Pikmin on the other, or even Zelda MM. What s the difference? which one make you "think" more. I see a game as a game, and yes I can separate games by difficulty, fun,"deepness", design,etc but not a game for "adults or kids". At the end, like Miyamoto said, an "adult" is a just a grown up child with more responsabilities.
I bet Wii will have more appeal than GameCube. if PS2 was maybe 8 to 1, this time things could go out 5 to 3. And is already very nice, on my point of view.

[Retroboy]

Dont call other people retard, that is out of etiquette :) , we are here to express ideas. I dont see myself as a Retard, since I speak 4 languages, My IQ is 120, I have my Univ Degree, work on the special Fx market where we need to use the creativity and technical knowledge all the time, also I am married, I like to read, I study quantum physics when I have time, read about mythology, and religions of the world, also other culture stuff. On some free time, I love to spend alone or with my wife playing on consoles, Gamecbe and PS2, with dance pads, bongos, microphone and notice she is a CEO on a Big company. We are not fat either, we do take care of our lives, health and money :) So, please, dont call out otehr people with bad names, or definitions.
My point was sarcarsm, I am sorry if I didn t reach the point, but what I mean is there is not a concept of "game for kids". Games for adults is a rating only, but doesn't mean is a game based on your Intelligence, they could be very "kiddy" too, on way/style to play, with just some blood, gore, eroticism, that s all. That's why I gave "chess' as an example.
I dont mind to play Mario, Zelda and Metroid. Even they look kiddy. Or games with blood and gore, since "there is" a reason to it, and they are not the "main star" of the game and they are not there only to increase the rating, to sell more.
Take GTA for example, and take Pikmin on the other, or even Zelda MM. What s the difference? which one make you "think" more. I see a game as a game, and yes I can separate games by difficulty, fun,"deepness", design,etc but not a game for "adults or kids". At the end, like Miyamoto said, an "adult" is a just a grown up child with more responsabilities.
I bet Wii will have more appeal than GameCube. if PS2 was maybe 8 to 1, this time things could go out 5 to 3. And is already very nice, on my point of view.

I wasnt calling people a retard, i was calling you, if your so intelligent (cough bullshit ahhem).

how come you cant tell the difrence from a kids game (mario) and a adults game (gta).

it has nothing to do with intelligence, what makes these difrent is mario is collect coins and save peach, i wouldnt call this adult.

yes its a game adults could play but i and many others have gotten bored of the same thing all the time, same as zelda, you enter a dungeon kill a boss save the princess.

only time you get a adult genra game is if its 3rd party, but now the wii is making eg ubi soft cut blood out of red steel, proves that they want the wii to be non violent.

now to adult games

GTA what makes this a adult only game is because its violence, drugs, sex and more, this is what i and other adults would rather play because its realistic and more fun, for me to play because the game can be done difrent ways unlike say mario your path is set you have no choice but to take it.

gta you can either be good and take your revenge or you can become a crime lord and do what ever you like.

GTA is aswell the only game you and your mates can still enjoy and play even though youve completed it, zelda/mario you cant, either you start a new game or play it again in a diffrent outfit, gta you get loads of side missions, sub missions and even if youve done them you can bomb arround the massive game (free will) and kill/destroy what ever you want.

you dont have to be intelligent to play these games, just old enough to buy them.

[Azariel Z]

I wasnt calling people a retard, i was calling you, if your so intelligent (cough bullshit ahhem).

yeah, thanks for the clever explanation. I saw your posts here and then, I like your comments, other times not.


you dont have to be intelligent to play these games, just old enough to buy them.

Well, that's my point. You said it. GTA have a lot of submissions, and all the stuff.. and really, it doesnt have any appeal, at last for me to play mroe than once. I rarely play games after finishing more than once, even Mario .:D I can count just a few jewells can worth a replay.
Yes, on Mario you must do all the kiddy stuff, on many ways, there are path options, and choices, they dotn blow out building,s or they don't let you rent the girls on the corner, but is still fun, and doesnt drop your intelligence too, none of them. But maybe you see it this way, is your personal opinion, taste. But not a fact. Just that.

[Retroboy]

yeah, thanks for the clever explanation. I saw your posts here and then, I like your comments, other times not.



Well, that's my point. You said it. GTA have a lot of submissions, and all the stuff.. and really, it doesnt have any appeal, at last for me to play mroe than once. I rarely play games after finishing more than once, even Mario .:D I can count just a few jewells can worth a replay.
Yes, on Mario you must do all the kiddy stuff, on many ways, there are path options, and choices, they dotn blow out building,s or they don't let you rent the girls on the corner, but is still fun, and doesnt drop your intelligence too, none of them. But maybe you see it this way, is your personal opinion, taste. But not a fact. Just that.

what

i was pointing out to you the difrence in adult games, gta is allways changing giving the gamer more to do.

mario doesnt, you dont have free will all you can do is enter a level and do it to get to the next level and keep goin then the game is over.

gta once its done can still be played and have fun without having to do a new game.

its not personal opinion its fact, you can ask as many people you like.

the fact is nintendo's mario/zelda are allways the same, same story difrent scinario/area.

[Azariel Z]

Because the games follows a path, like a movie, and are different in context. Like RPG and Racing games. Or fighting games and Strategy games. Skate and Boxing .
On Resident Evil you also follow a script, game is not bad. The Sims are much like GTA :) . Final Fantasy also follows a Script, predefined.. is called "history", Tales of *** also, with a few different paths. Thats called game gender, doesnt mean "adult" either . Free will would be win money buy a ticket to Thailand or Brasil, and continue the game there. Oh wait, I almsot forgot you just can be on a place with building's and guns and sure, police and cars to steal and crush. It jsut depends on the gamer's taste, if is good or bad. I bet you never played Ultraman games, jsut for the fun, you must be a fan to like it ( I Do ), or Super Robot Taisen Series, or Odama, or Pimball, etc. Like culinary, tehre are many options, and different things, and gamers to apreciate one or another.

[Retroboy]

Because the games follows a path, like a movie, and are different in context. Like RPG and Racing games. Or fighting games and Strategy games. Skate and Boxing .
On Resident Evil you also follow a script, game is not bad. The Sims are much like GTA :) . Final Fantasy also follows a Script, predefined.. is called "history", Tales of *** also, with a few different paths. Thats called game gender, doesnt mean "adult" either . Free will would be win money buy a ticket to Thailand or Brasil, and continue the game there. Oh wait, I almsot forgot you just can be on a place with building's and guns and sure, police and cars to steal and crush. It jsut depends on the gamer's taste, if is good or bad. I bet you never played Ultraman games, jsut for the fun, you must be a fan to like it ( I Do ), or Super Robot Taisen Series, or Odama, or Pimball, etc. Like culinary, tehre are many options, and different things, and gamers to apreciate one or another.

**** me:rolleyes:

all games follow a script, if they didnt they would have no story line jesus.

again what did i say come on please, i mention how mario/zelda stories are what answer.

you dont get free roam and do what you like you have no choice but to play the game/levels

gta youdont, you can play the game and enjoy it with out doing a single level, now i seriously doubt youd can run arround in hyrule or where ever mario is next and have fun, as the only action you get in them games is in the levels or going to your level.

[Azariel Z]

**** me:rolleyes:

Not in this life, man ! :D



all games follow a script, if they didnt they would have no story line jesus.


gta youdont, you can play the game and enjoy it with out doing a single level, now i seriously doubt youd can run arround in hyrule or where ever mario is next and have fun, as the only action you get in them games is in the levels or going to your level.

thats called "challenge" , is the reason many people play games, even GTA. You should play Majora's Mask if you still didn't, I recommend.

[Retroboy]

Not in this life, man ! :D



thats called "challenge" , is the reason many people play games, even GTA. You should play Majora's Mask if you still didn't, I recommend.

i have it, compleated it loads of time and proves my point, when its completed thats it, all you can do is re do the levels nothing like repetetive, gta on the other hand you can do what you want.

[{{909}}]

comparing mario and gta is stupid, gta isnt all about freedom, sure u can drive about if u want, you can beat people up, if u want, but the base gameplay is do a mission, do another mission, do another mission untill theres none left to do, then wait for the next gta game to come out and do the same all over again. how exciting...

this isnt want nintendo want to do, and they never will, if you want gta then stick to it but if every console had the same games on it, then it would be a pretty pointless situation.

Nintendo have already proved they can market to adults, meaning adults who have never touched a console before in their lifes, not some 15 yr old who wants to play 18 rated games. the wii is targetting the untapped areas of the market, people who dont have an interest in walking round with a gun or walking round stealing cars and beating people up.

[Radiozo]

the Wii will be a repeat performance of the GC.

I sure hope so. GC was and is a big success. It has sold more than the Xbox. I guess people want "kiddie" games.

[Azariel Z]

I am not against GTA or Mario or Zelda, or Rumble Roses, Playboy Mansion etc, my point is a game is a game , how much fun you can have from it, depends on your taste only, also, can t be compared things like "for adults" and for "kids only". Just that. If you look backward, you can see Paper Mario for GC and GTA san Andreas share status as best game on that year, but they are for different taste only. Both games are great, at the end they fullfill they role as an entertainement and amusement tool. Nitntendo focuse on not only adult content, butt hat doesnt mena an adult can't play, is a game , is kiddy and is fun. Like people on forums using avatars, draws, photographs. A game is a game, the design or the rating are different things.

[xxxvl]

Can anyone say OFF-TOPIC!!!!!!?
Does this forum have ANY moderators? :confused:

Anyhoo, I can see valid points in both Retroboy and Azariel Z's arguments. In regards to the "kiddie game" issue, blood can make the game more interesting, however if used too much, adds an almost comedic angle to the game (House of the Dead-style) Personally speaking, I would be dissappointed if Red Steel had no blood, even if it added an option to turn it off.

[Havok154]

Just remember, getting older is mandatory; growing up is optional. It's a Wii for me. ;)


Can anyone say OFF-TOPIC!!!!!!?
Does this forum have ANY moderators? :confused:

Anyhoo, I can see valid points in both Retroboy and Azariel Z's arguments. In regards to the "kiddie game" issue, blood can make the game more interesting, however if used too much, adds an almost comedic angle to the game (House of the Dead-style) Personally speaking, I would be dissappointed if Red Steel had no blood, even if it added an option to turn it off.

Ubisoft said there will be blood in Red Steel, but to keep the rating to Teen, it will not splatter on the enviroment, just shoot out of the characters.

[xxxvl]

Ahh cool, thanks for the clarification man.