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Zeus

11-20-2009, 02:51 PM

MS seems to think it has identified its key weapon against its rivals - Xbox LIVE. They recently bragged that they were the first to understand the power of online and they are the ones to evolve it beyond gaming.

<blockquote>Microsoft has claimed that it is “continually keeping ahead” of its rivals’ online services with additions to Xbox Live.

The firm this week added social media services such as Twitter, Facebook and music portal Last.FM to Live – as well as HD movie streaming service Zune.

However, Facebook arrived on PS3 on Wednesday, as Nintendo launched its own version of the BBC iPlayer on Wii.

“We were the first to really understand the power that an online, live service has and bring it to life for millions of gamers – and now we’re the ones evolving it beyond gaming,” UK Xbox boss Neil Thompson told MCV.</blockquote>

News Source: <a href="http://www.mcvuk.com/news/36608/Microsoft-hails-its-killer-weapon-in-battle-with-PS3-and-Wii" target="_blank">MCVUK</a>

tech3475

11-20-2009, 03:00 PM

I have only tried last.fm and zune app so far and I found them quite poor.

last.fm would be better if it was better integrated so it can be used in, what was the 360's primary purpose again?

the Zune HD app at least for me is pointless since I cant stream HD on my 3mbps connection.

I am not a fan of social networking so I dont use facebook and twitter anyway.

Truth be told the only thing that keeps me on live are my friends (who I know in real life).

At least thats me, others my like it of course.

I just wish though that they did introduce better integration with other free streaming services such as the iplayer, itv player, etc.

danight

11-20-2009, 03:28 PM

that must make a pc + cables hooked to a lcd or plazma tv weapon of mass destruction! netflix, hulu, utube, etc etc etc are better on pc vs live.
Both psn and live charge for recent episodes of many tv shows where you can get them legal and free on pc easily.

netflix on pc is pure win vs consoles.

This reminds me of the serga days where the addon that let you go online and play with a 28k modem in a irc chatroom was advertised as a big thing. Where pc whipped it in every way shape and form.

except for the online play... pc hooked to a tv is better. Multi tasking, more video codecs.
Crap even last gens xbmc was better than these upgrades. It even had rss feeds.

tech3475

11-20-2009, 03:39 PM

The problem for some is that the PC is no where near the TV. I recently hooked up my PC since I no longer need my dual monitor setup and use it allot now.

Still, you can get plugins for MCE and use the extender for the 360.

GT-RRR

11-20-2009, 03:49 PM

MS seems to think it has identified its key weapon against its rivals - Xbox LIVE.
Well that's not going to do much is it M$? Seein as Live is hardly any better than PSN.

Microsoft has claimed that it is “continually keeping ahead” of its rivals’ online services with additions to Xbox Live.
Ever wonder why... it started up when the PS2 was out so that's a big 'DUR!'

The firm this week added social media services such as Twitter, Facebook and music portal to Live – as well as HD movie streaming service Zune.
Hmmm let me just check... OH YEA PSN has Vidzone (Music/Video), Facebook Intergration, HD Movie download/rent service... so there's not much you can boast about there M$.

“We were the first to really understand the power that an online, live service has and bring it to life for millions of gamers – and now we’re the ones evolving it beyond gaming,”
Again, to finish this rant off, Xbox Live was made when the PS2 was released which was years ago, but seeing as PSN has only been in action since just after the Japanese PS3 release... it HAS caught up, and it DOES match Live in terms of features and even better... it's free...

Now I await an Xbot to reply and try to null my points made...

DunnyUK

11-20-2009, 03:55 PM

Well that's not going to do much is it M$? Seein as Live is hardly any better than PSN.

Now I await an Xbot to reply and try to null my points made...

I'm not an Xbot, but someone with common sense and Live is a lot better than PSN.

Looking at your signature and it seems to me like you're the one with a grudge against a console. :p

and this post comes from someone who's fuckin gutted they've just lost their 360 after only 5 months, Elite my arse!

MadonnaProject

11-20-2009, 04:34 PM

Sure microsoft, sure.

iLLNESS

11-20-2009, 04:51 PM

Well that's not going to do much is it M$? Seein as Live is hardly any better than PSN.

Ever wonder why... it started up when the PS2 was out so that's a big 'DUR!'

Hmmm let me just check... OH YEA PSN has Vidzone (Music/Video), Facebook Intergration, HD Movie download/rent service... so there's not much you can boast about there M$.

Again, to finish this rant off, Xbox Live was made when the PS2 was released which was years ago, but seeing as PSN has only been in action since just after the Japanese PS3 release... it HAS caught up, and it DOES match Live in terms of features and even better... it's free...

Now I await an Xbot to reply and try to null my points made...

xbox live was made during ps2 days.. but sony also had online at that time as well. or did sony just release that network adapter for the PHAT ps2 for no reason? idiot. sony just didnt give a **** about online then. it was only till after they saw how successful xbox live was that they gave a ****.

every service on psn compared to xbox live is inferior. this article is %100 correct. everything about live is generally the best. the community, the features, the reliability. the list goes on.

thinking psn is anywhere near what xbox live is is just moronic. it may have the same ****, but it isnt put together near as well as live is.

whats interesting about this whole thing is not a single person in here has noticed that microsoft did not mention any of those features a single time in the article. they simply commented how far ahead live is and how they innovate and stuff. then the website itself added their own comments about features added.

so GT-RRR, nice try on trying to bash m$ for **** they didnt say. remember, anything you read in " " is an actual quote from the company. anything NOT in those nice little quotes is simply the writer adding his own opinion/bs. dont get m$ and the writer for a random website mixed up.

krawhitham

11-20-2009, 05:03 PM

GT-RRR

11-20-2009, 05:18 PM

xbox live was made during ps2 days.. but sony also had online at that time as well. or did sony just release that network adapter for the PHAT ps2 for no reason? idiot. sony just didnt give a **** about online then. it was only till after they saw how successful xbox live was that they gave a ****.
Well that's a big load of bollocks there, back in the PS2 days, hardly anyone ever though of playing online on a console, it was mostly Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear Solid back in those days, which is why the Dreamcast was a big fail.
Where-as now the PS3 is all about infrastructure, Sony was going to go with Online in this generation anyway, regardless of Live, Micro$oft set-up Live on the original Xbox so fucking good for them, just shows it's nothing new and it's from a previous generation... just like DVD's... lol.

every service on psn compared to xbox live is inferior. this article is %100 correct. everything about live is generally the best. the community, the features, the reliability. the list goes on.
Go on then, elaborate on this "list" of why "every service" on PSN is inferior to Live, I feel like having a chuckle.

thinking psn is anywhere near what xbox live is is just moronic. it may have the same ****, but it isnt put together near as well as live is.
Unlike you who has probably not even touched a Dualshock 3 controller, I have personally been on Live and the 360 and I'll tell you first-hand that I fucking hated it! Everything is just here-there-and-everywhere on that stupid service, where-as PSN it's all easily accessible, mostly all in one place and easy navigation.

so GT-RRR, nice try on trying to bash m$ for **** they didnt say.
Well aren't you one to talk?

Anil8tr

11-20-2009, 05:22 PM

it HAS caught up, and it DOES match Live in terms of features and even better... it's free...

Are you still using an UHF antenna to watch TV? :eek:What? You say you...are...not. That's free though. So, by your logic with PSN, a UHF antenna would beat cable/digital/HD TV because it offers the same thing (TV program in your home) AND it is free. So, doesn't it have to be better because it is free? :rolleyes:

Trashcat

11-20-2009, 06:09 PM

Live is clearly superior, the thing is average consumer doesn't care. Despite all the boycotts Modern Warfare 2 on PC is selling, casuals just don't give a **** about castrated online mode, you press a button and you are playing online, doesn't matter with whom or how good the connection is. Same on consoles press button - join game both Live and PSN do that, and PSN is free so its a no brainer what to chose. And its a good thing, the more people go for free PSN the more Ms will be forced to reconsider the Live business model, the services provided on the network are sure worth something but charging for peer-to-peer matchmaking is bullshit, 50$ a year should get you 1 damn slot on a dedicated server or p2p online play should be free.

crypysmoker

11-20-2009, 06:12 PM

.... I do belive that PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast were all before Xbox live and they had a somewhat good online. Hell, dreamcast Quake still goes to this day And so does mario kart on Gamecube.

Xbox live just makes it more user friendly, thats all.
Its basically dumbed down as far as it can be for anyone to figure out....
Which is why there are so many dumbasses infecting it.

ThreeDog

11-20-2009, 06:52 PM

xbox live was made during ps2 days.. but sony also had online at that time as well. or did sony just release that network adapter for the PHAT ps2 for no reason?
Yes it was for no reason, it had what five games all of them full of hackers? and was quoted as a live beater and would even have a hard drive addon released by sony!!! The funny thing was when PSN was first activated it was barely any more complete than the PS2 network except for the hard drive lol.

The Xbox revolutionised online console gaming in europe/the uk while every other gaming system released here either failed to bring us a service or died an early painful death.

Im not going to agree with your whole post i think both services have a lot going for them now but more so on Live but that just tickled me.

For the people quoting these features remember most of the best ones are not worldwide and for the record both the Xbox video rentals and the PSN video service that have finally reached europe are a freaking joke £12 for less than dvd quality my arse.

Anger

11-20-2009, 07:01 PM

rofl lmao.

Whats that? he WASNT joking?

i have only two things to say to microsoft - psn unlike live is FREEEEEEEEEEEEE, and you dont get banned from psn for modifying your OWN hardware.

grapeape

11-20-2009, 07:11 PM

rofl lmao.

Whats that? he WASNT joking?

i have only two things to say to microsoft - psn unlike live is FREEEEEEEEEEEEE, and you dont get banned from psn for modifying your OWN hardware.

Wow you hacked your PS3 for backups...and no one else know about it? :rolleyes: You seriously think that when the PS3 gets hacked they wont ban people from PSN...sony will just sit still and let it happen?

jeffd

11-20-2009, 07:13 PM

xbox live was made during ps2 days.. but sony also had online at that time as well. or did sony just release that network adapter for the PHAT ps2 for no reason? idiot. sony just didnt give a **** about online then. it was only till after they saw how successful xbox live was that they gave a ****.

every service on psn compared to xbox live is inferior. this article is %100 correct. everything about live is generally the best. the community, the features, the reliability. the list goes on.

thinking psn is anywhere near what xbox live is is just moronic. it may have the same ****, but it isnt put together near as well as live is.

whats interesting about this whole thing is not a single person in here has noticed that microsoft did not mention any of those features a single time in the article. they simply commented how far ahead live is and how they innovate and stuff. then the website itself added their own comments about features added.

so GT-RRR, nice try on trying to bash m$ for **** they didnt say. remember, anything you read in " " is an actual quote from the company. anything NOT in those nice little quotes is simply the writer adding his own opinion/bs. dont get m$ and the writer for a random website mixed up.

iDiotness ... every post I see that you manage to drool and peck out on your keyboard is layer after layer of retarded failure. If I found a magic lantern, and only had one wish, it would be that there had been a working condom vending machine at the dirty truck stop where your drunken mother was vag-hammered by Jimmy-John "ShimSham" Clayton before he finished his truck run to Tampa with his load of potatoes.

I can't imagine the planet being worse off in any possible way if you just ceased to exist ... if there was any instance of someone advocating drinking and driving, it would be to read about you pile driving your scooter into an underpass piling at 80mph.

iLLNESS

11-20-2009, 07:45 PM

Well that's a big load of bollocks there, back in the PS2 days, hardly anyone ever though of playing online on a console, it was mostly Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear Solid back in those days, which is why the Dreamcast was a big fail.
Where-as now the PS3 is all about infrastructure, Sony was going to go with Online in this generation anyway, regardless of Live, Micro$oft set-up Live on the original Xbox so fucking good for them, just shows it's nothing new and it's from a previous generation... just like DVD's... lol.

Go on then, elaborate on this "list" of why "every service" on PSN is inferior to Live, I feel like having a chuckle.

Unlike you who has probably not even touched a Dualshock 3 controller, I have personally been on Live and the 360 and I'll tell you first-hand that I fucking hated it! Everything is just here-there-and-everywhere on that stupid service, where-as PSN it's all easily accessible, mostly all in one place and easy navigation.

Well aren't you one to talk?

yeah no one cared about playing online with ps2. thats why socom was one of the biggest games online for ps2. socom was the whole reason there was online for ps2. and as for ps3s infrastructure.. are you fucking serious? the ps3 xmb may be easy to navigate and its all just there, but everything is just slapped together. nothing works well together. psns party chat is ****. can you even invite friends to a game without issue yet? infrastructure my ass. there is none for ps3. evne browsing the psn store is a pain in the ass. that should be the easiest thing to do since thats where sony makes their money. and every service for psn thats on 360 is inferior because it is just a clone. there really isnt anything sony has added to psn that wasnt just a clone from m$. and it always sucks compared to it. the ONLY thing psn has going for it is its free. and it looks like sony is gonna phase that out in the future anyways.

and as for it being nothing new, just like dvds.. is that a bad thing? it seems to me 360 games are still out performing ps3 multi platform in just about every aspect. and the main one since you mention DVD, is loading times.

you can turn this into a console war like i imagine you want, but were talking about xbox live and how you completely didnt understand the article that this particular thread is talking about. why? i cant say for sure but it sure takes an idiot to misread it thinking microsoft was blabbering on about all these features when it was infact the writer.

specifically,

Originally Posted by Zeus
The firm this week added social media services such as Twitter, Facebook and music portal to Live – as well as HD movie streaming service Zune.
Hmmm let me just check... OH YEA PSN has Vidzone (Music/Video), Facebook Intergration, HD Movie download/rent service... so there's not much you can boast about there M$.

where in the LINKED article does microsoft boast about those features? its the writer..

you dont have to get all upset that live is way better then psn and your a poor ass who cant afford it. seriously, the only people who ***** about live are people who cant afford to pay for it.

by the way, i already know your internet life job is something crazy where you make lots and lots of money and that isnt the reason, you just like a shittier online service because its appearantly not shittier..

but damn, that 1cent an hour to play xbox live is over the top and pretty damned expensive.. or, like a half cent an hour if you buy live cards online for half price. hmm, didnt i figure out the ps3 itself uses more power online translating to costing more money a year then live costs a year with the 360 online? crazy

QrafTee

11-20-2009, 09:55 PM

Are you still using an UHF antenna to watch TV? :eek:What? You say you...are...not. That's free though. So, by your logic with PSN, a UHF antenna would beat cable/digital/HD TV because it offers the same thing (TV program in your home) AND it is free. So, doesn't it have to be better because it is free? :rolleyes:Hey, if HD antennas had all the channels, it would be the same. The difference is that XBL doesn't have much over PSN anymore. If you're going to use logic at least use it properly, not some half-assed attempt to make XBL look good.

kama

11-20-2009, 09:55 PM

So, by your logic with PSN, a UHF antenna would beat cable/digital/HD TV because it offers the same thing (TV program in your home) AND it is free. So, doesn't it have to be better because it is free? :rolleyes:
Well, I use an UHF antenna to receive DVB-T, a free digital broadcast.

wigsplitta

11-20-2009, 11:10 PM

I bought Modern Warfare 2 for my PS3 but refused to play it after 2 hours of online play. PSN just blows free or not. Live is really the place for gaming with friends and great matches.

fergy93

11-20-2009, 11:24 PM

iDiotness ... every post I see that you manage to drool and peck out on your keyboard is layer after layer of retarded failure. If I found a magic lantern, and only had one wish, it would be that there had been a working condom vending machine at the dirty truck stop where your drunken mother was vag-hammered by Jimmy-John "ShimSham" Clayton before he finished his truck run to Tampa with his load of potatoes.

I can't imagine the planet being worse off in any possible way if you just ceased to exist ... if there was any instance of someone advocating drinking and driving, it would be to read about you pile driving your scooter into an underpass piling at 80mph.

stroke..... of....... genius !
easily the funniest thing i have ever read on this forum.

DEDDOA

11-21-2009, 02:40 AM

To be honest, I think XBL needs a lot more to be a bigger seller than PSN. That said, aside from fanboys, most will agree that XBL is the better service, but then you are paying for that extra quality, so in that light they are pretty much equal. That said, if Sony can make a new dash that is designed with PSN intergrated as opposed to an after thought, they could easily get on the same level in terms of polish so that PSN is seamless with the dash like XBL.

SO no denying XBL has the edge, only fools would disagree, but that edge is only what you are paying for and that may not be really value for money witht he ever improving but rough around the edges PSN.

Punyetta

11-21-2009, 05:37 AM

Well, I use an UHF antenna to receive DVB-T, a free digital broadcast.

So do I but not by choice as I can not use satellite dish (live in listed building) and no cable in my area but what he means is; you can not compare it to paid services.

Nomad121

11-21-2009, 06:01 AM

yeah no one cared about playing online with ps2. thats why socom was one of the biggest games online for ps2. socom was the whole reason there was online for ps2. and as for ps3s infrastructure.. are you fucking serious? the ps3 xmb may be easy to navigate and its all just there, but everything is just slapped together. nothing works well together. psns party chat is ****. can you even invite friends to a game without issue yet? infrastructure my ass. there is none for ps3. evne browsing the psn store is a pain in the ass. that should be the easiest thing to do since thats where sony makes their money. and every service for psn thats on 360 is inferior because it is just a clone. there really isnt anything sony has added to psn that wasnt just a clone from m$. and it always sucks compared to it. the ONLY thing psn has going for it is its free. and it looks like sony is gonna phase that out in the future anyways.

and as for it being nothing new, just like dvds.. is that a bad thing? it seems to me 360 games are still out performing ps3 multi platform in just about every aspect. and the main one since you mention DVD, is loading times.

you can turn this into a console war like i imagine you want, but were talking about xbox live and how you completely didnt understand the article that this particular thread is talking about. why? i cant say for sure but it sure takes an idiot to misread it thinking microsoft was blabbering on about all these features when it was infact the writer.

specifically,

where in the LINKED article does microsoft boast about those features? its the writer..

you dont have to get all upset that live is way better then psn and your a poor ass who cant afford it. seriously, the only people who ***** about live are people who cant afford to pay for it.

by the way, i already know your internet life job is something crazy where you make lots and lots of money and that isnt the reason, you just like a shittier online service because its appearantly not shittier..

but damn, that 1cent an hour to play xbox live is over the top and pretty damned expensive.. or, like a half cent an hour if you buy live cards online for half price. hmm, didnt i figure out the ps3 itself uses more power online translating to costing more money a year then live costs a year with the 360 online? crazy

Do you even know what infrastructure means dumbass? Infrastructure is dedicated servers, speed the network can provide and the amount of traffic the network can support.

Everything that you mention: integration this, party chat that are all GUI, which can be simply corrected with a firmware update.

Xbox live offers no dedicated servers on all 1st party games and charges you up to $50 for 12months to use "Free" 3rd party dedicated servers that PC users and PSN users get access to free. All that Xbox live is just to make you pay to use their GUI which may be good but is it worth it? I mean to add salt to the wounds your paying money to access your own P2P connection WTF?

Really when ever someone mentions PSN being inferior it simply boggles my mind. I downloaded the Lost Planet 2 demo and was online, saw my friend online too, invited him to a chat room told him to download the demo, he did so and returned back to the chat room whilst the demo was downloading the background. When it was done we headed in game and I invited him to my game via the XMB. He accepted the invitation and we experienced a lag free game even with my wireless connection and constant chatting with our blue-tooth headsets.

Tell me what else is missing from PSN that makes it "inferior"? I saw, I played and I enjoyed. Even on a bloody demo it was flawless.

exorcist1966

11-21-2009, 06:14 AM

This is all just marketing B@lls#IT everything M$ said people didnt want in a games console they are actually adding that is all the things the PS3 had at the very beginning. :confused:

unreal maniac

11-21-2009, 06:36 AM

Are you still using an UHF antenna to watch TV? :eek:What? You say you...are...not. That's free though. So, by your logic with PSN, a UHF antenna would beat cable/digital/HD TV because it offers the same thing (TV program in your home) AND it is free. So, doesn't it have to be better because it is free? :rolleyes:

a UHF would beat an digital signal where i live, cable tv doesnt exist in australia as far as i know, and digital tv doesnt work when there is even the slightest cloud in the sky BUT UHF works fine under almost any circumstance

GT-RRR

11-21-2009, 06:52 AM

That's it!

Everybody should know that Live is hardly any better than PSN anymore, but all you 360 Fangays can't seem to swallow that, take the Micro$oft branded dildo out of your asses (because god forbid you should use anything other than OFFICIAL Micro$oft hardware anymore).

Anger

11-21-2009, 07:38 AM

Wow you hacked your PS3 for backups...and no one else know about it? :rolleyes: You seriously think that when the PS3 gets hacked they wont ban people from PSN...sony will just sit still and let it happen?

actually no i havnt because my ps3 is broke. i understand that they may do this in the future but it wont happen because the ps3 has yet to be hacked and even if it was the cost of making backups means only the real pros would be doing it anyway. sony understands that everyone who buys the product is a potential customer even if there machine is hacked. o and before i forget - how many hacked psp consoles have been banned from using psn? thats right absolutly bugger all.

crawl back into your hole microsoft lover.

To be honest, I think XBL needs a lot more to be a bigger seller than PSN. That said, aside from fanboys, most will agree that XBL is the better service, but then you are paying for that extra quality, so in that light they are pretty much equal. That said, if Sony can make a new dash that is designed with PSN intergrated as opposed to an after thought, they could easily get on the same level in terms of polish so that PSN is seamless with the dash like XBL.

SO no denying XBL has the edge, only fools would disagree, but that edge is only what you are paying for and that may not be really value for money witht he ever improving but rough around the edges PSN.

this is a smart guy. interesting point i actually forgot about xbl silver accounts. you can only compare psn to an xbl silver account and psn wins hands down simply because you can do more on the psn account than an xbl silver account. however no arguements about quality - with xbl you get what you pay for - buy a gold account and you would have a better experience than on psn, unless you hack your console in which case microsoft rapes your wallet and bans your console. some would say with just cause - i say people should should be entitled to there money back - its there right to mod there consoles and its ms right to ban the account but i disagree with banning the machine and not giving refunds either.

Jsameds

11-21-2009, 11:04 AM

hmm, didnt i figure out the ps3 itself uses more power online translating to costing more money a year then live costs a year with the 360 online? crazy

You're wrong as usual.

PS3 Slim uses 96W when playing a game, whereas xbox 360(Jasper) uses around 105W

Sources:
PS3 Slim:
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/playstation3/ps3-slim-power-reduction-closer-50--$1321476.htm
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10318727-1.html

Xbox 360(Jasper):
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=5

Plus with the PS3, you don't have that stupid power brick..

DEDDOA

11-21-2009, 11:25 AM

You're wrong as usual.

PS3 Slim uses 96W when playing a game, whereas xbox 360(Jasper) uses around 105W

Sources:
PS3 Slim:
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/playstation3/ps3-slim-power-reduction-closer-50--$1321476.htm
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10318727-1.html

Xbox 360(Jasper):
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=5

Plus with the PS3, you don't have that stupid power brick..

i'd rather have a power brick than an internal one any day, keeps the system cooler, is easier to replace if the PSu dies (still both a pain but replacing a brick is easier than opening up and replacing an internal PSU) and keeps the system smaller. Could you imagine a 360 with an internal PSU, it would need air con to keep it cool :) . Anyway, unless you keep your leads in front of the tv screen so need then to be as thin as possible so you can see, an external brick is a non event issue.

GT-RRR

11-21-2009, 12:05 PM

i'd rather have a power brick than an internal one any day, keeps the system cooler.
The PS3 has perfect heat ventilation so internal or external it wouldn't matter.

Could you imagine a 360 with an internal PSU, it would need air con to keep it cool :)
QFT.

nestortoy@hotma

11-21-2009, 12:11 PM

I bought Modern Warfare 2 for my PS3 but refused to play it after 2 hours of online play. PSN just blows free or not. Live is really the place for gaming with friends and great matches.

Can i have your game then?. I mean your not using it... and the 1 player mode is short as ****.

QrafTee

11-21-2009, 12:30 PM

The PS3 has perfect heat ventilation so internal or external it wouldn't matter.

QFT.A 360 with internal power brick would be ginormous too.

switchg3ar

11-22-2009, 12:15 AM

Are you still using an UHF antenna to watch TV? :eek:What? You say you...are...not. That's free though. So, by your logic with PSN, a UHF antenna would beat cable/digital/HD TV because it offers the same thing (TV program in your home) AND it is free. So, doesn't it have to be better because it is free? :rolleyes:

I do use a UHF antenna to watch tv. You can pick up tons of 1080p HD Channels uncompressed. They look way better then satellite so you are right it is better when it is free, thanks for pointing it out!

DEDDOA

11-22-2009, 04:53 AM

The PS3 has perfect heat ventilation so internal or external it wouldn't matter.

QFT.

Yes but it would be a damn sight smaller, less fugly and no longer require that I keep the heating off as the console warms the room for me (both a good and bad thing there, saves on the heating bills, makes me sweat conkers int he summer, which is why I got air con). I suspect it would keep the thing quieter by far as well, as it is in competition with my 360 for noise once it's been on a while. Don't know what the slim is like but that said, i'd not swap my launch 60GB for any newer version unless I had no choice at all.

The only time I don't mind internal bricks are on PC's, I have a cooler master HAF 932 case and to be honest the damn thing can be chilly to sit next to even on crysis :)

wigsplitta

11-22-2009, 08:29 AM

Can i have your game then?. I mean your not using it... and the 1 player mode is short as ****.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180434707468&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT

Should have bid on it