Video: Proof that the PSP Go is finally hacked

[Zeus]

Neon has released a new video which highlights the possibilities of Homebrew Enable on the PSPGo with custom firmware. No firm date is set on this kernel level exploit but the video shows a Genesis emulator running on the PSP Go.

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[gman112287]

Well lets face it. If the author refuses to release his work the scenes in trouble :p

[F34R]

OH SNAP.. I'm out to buy a Go tomorrow....

[iLLNESS]

who cares..

why take an overpriced psp and mod it to do exactly what an underpriced psp does?

anyone else see psps for under $100? already modded? no one wants the psp.

[tinman]

I bet the Go! will sell more now.

[nestortoy@hotma]

LOL its funny how people keep blocking their PSP MAC.... Yea someone might hack into your PSP and steal your awesome save files. LOL

Anyways its probably never coming out for a couple of reasons....
1. It's Fake
or
2. He did not make this hack and probably is just a tester that someone trusted and decided to show everyone that he has hacked the PSP.

[F34R]

who cares..

why take an overpriced psp and mod it to do exactly what an underpriced psp does?

anyone else see psps for under $100? already modded? no one wants the psp.

I have a 1001 and a 2001. I would love to have a go with homebrew. The only thing keeping me from having the Go was it wasn't homebrew enabled. I'm not worried about ISO abilities, I'll buy the few PSP games I like. I would just LOVE to have all my fav emus, etc., on there as well. If I want to "overpay" for the PSP Go, it's my money, my choice.

[crypysmoker]

Since zeus again posted just a few snippets of the srticle..
They Are not releaseing this,. Its the ChickHen team and they got sick of whiny little shites talking **** and demanding things from developers. So they are not releasing it EVER according to them

[kama]

LOL its funny how people keep blocking their PSP MAC.... Yea someone might hack into your PSP and steal your awesome save files. LOL
They block their MAC address for other reasons.
Sony can get lots of information from just the MAC address (eg. what region it is and even where it was sold).

[MadMax31]

"will never be released"???, who the fúck do they think they are?, I am sure in time another hacker / group will release it (just like it happened with the X360).

Anyway PSP Go is already dead, sony put the final nail to the PSP brand coffin!, so who cares.

[aprentus]

it seems to me if they have found a kernel exploit, and are truely "in the system" then they would not release the exploit. Having system access within the go, correct me if I'm wrong, means it will be a short time till they have once again hijacked an installer, with a jacked installer no one needs the original exploit, and it can be saved to repeat the trick.

[ultragoregrind]

it seems to me if they have found a kernel exploit, and are truely "in the system" then they would not release the exploit. Having system access within the go, correct me if I'm wrong, means it will be a short time till they have once again hijacked an installer, with a jacked installer no one needs the original exploit, and it can be saved to repeat the trick.

You have NO clue what you are talking about, do you?

[VagrantWalker]

Since zeus again posted just a few snippets of the srticle..
They Are not releaseing this,. Its the ChickHen team and they got sick of NakedFaerie demanding things from developers. So they are not releasing it EVER according to them
I'm not surprised to be honest...

[waldog]

who cares..

why take an overpriced psp and mod it to do exactly what an underpriced psp does?

anyone else see psps for under $100? already modded? no one wants the psp.

Lol. Imo, no psp is underpriced. If it wasn't for them being hacked, I would never buy one. I have 2 btw.

[Sen]

if he dont intend to release it, what the point of uploading this video on youtube?

he can just quietly use it on his own, nobody gonna care what psp u using as long as it can install a CFW on it..

I believe someday DA or Gen gonna get there & maybe pspgo sale will go abit better until then.. :cool:

[MisterFlyy]

Lol. Imo, no psp is underpriced. If it wasn't for them being hacked, I would never buy one. I have 2 btw.

Holy ****, your alive...


I like my GO, hacked or not. I prefer it to be hacked though so I don't have to keep switching between it and the 2k. To all the haters, the PSP brand is not dead. The GO is actually selling well.

[akadewboy]

All I have to say is: I hate teaser videos.

[Jason Voorhees]

Since zeus again posted just a few snippets of the srticle..
They Are not releaseing this,. Its the ChickHen team and they got sick of whiny little shites talking **** and demanding things from developers. So they are not releasing it EVER according to them

then, they can go f*ck off...

[NakedFaerie]

As I have said previously, if they wont release it then its in the same class as a fake. WHO CARES!!!

Either, release it or keep it to yourself. We don't care.

As soon as I read the "we will never release it" I stopped the video. I don't care for fake videos. Anyone can make a fake video and if its not fake then don't tease us with it, either release it or go f@@k yourself.

[MaxMouseDLL]

As I have said previously, if they wont release it then its in the same class as a fake. WHO CARES!!!

Either, release it or keep it to yourself. We don't care.

As soon as I read the "we will never release it" I stopped the video. I don't care for fake videos. Anyone can make a fake video and if its not fake then don't tease us with it, either release it or go f@@k yourself.

Reminds me of something else i once read... Meh..


[...]and if we do come up with something then we WONT be releasing anything as you can all go get FUKED!

[3r14nd]

If this is the same Team Typhoon that Released ChickHEN with that fucker Davee on the team then the whole reason this video was released was to prove that the PSPGo can be hacked and to piss off all the little fuckers who keeps demanding that it needs to be hacked..

They are arrogant jerks who like to prove to people they can do what others can't. They also don't like people messing with what they made. They are afraid that someone is going to come after them and make an ISO loader for it once they release it.

The only reason why I could see not releasing it, is because they are working on actually making a real CFW. However we all know this is not the reason.

**** Team Typhoon. The PSPGo needs to be ripped the **** apart.

EDIT:

Team Typhoon or should I say Davee and his lackeys have confirmed the reason this video was put out is for revenge. Meaning that they are showing proof that the GO is hackable and will not release it because last time they released ChickHEN they asked that an ISO loader not be made for it and then someone turned around and made one.

So basically it was released out of spite.

[MaxMouseDLL]

lol... ChickHEN was used as a step ladder for CFWe and Hellcat's recovery flasher, if they release a HEN everyone will know it isn't the finished article, someone will then have to code something to support plugins and some of the other CFW features (Including... omg the horror! an ISO loader).

If they don't release it, fine... at least we know it's possible, i wonder what the exploit is...(?)... :)

[Chibilaharl]

i love all these "revenge" posts, saying they CAN do something but wont.
Does team typhoon really think that because they dont release the code, NOONE will release the code? If anything this "proof of concept" has probably only peeked the interests of coders, potentially spuring other teams to form and code thier own CFW.

that being said, once someone does hack it, (and they will, be it now or 10 years from now) team typhoon will instantly be an afterthought, so they can either package it and release it, or shut up

[keedier]

Reminds me of something else i once read... Meh..

LOLZ! PAWNED! hehehehe it really makes my day when someone slams that faerie down..

[subcon959]

Couldn't care less either way. I already traded in my Go for a 360 bundle and am feeling all the better for it. Especially my hands that were constantly cramping up trying to play on the damn thing that I can only imagine was designed for little kids or midgets?

[MaxMouseDLL]

LOLZ! PAWNED! hehehehe it really makes my day when someone slams that faerie down..

Happy to be of service, most of the time he "slams" himself without any help from the MaxConsole locals.

Anyway... lets treat this as it is, someone has a HEN for the Go, hopefully it'll get passed around the prominent/trustworthy developers (Read: It won't...) who will use it to learn as much as they can about the Go before anyone even contemplates release, if its a game based vulnerability then there really is no point releasing it.

Personally i wouldn't mind knowing the internal version numbers for a start (Tachyon, Baryon, Pommel etc).

We're back to square one with these consoles, the dance goes a little like this:


Vulnerability in firmware/game/other associated library/module/service/software (Crash)
Exploit (Usermode) - (Executing arbitrary code)
Hello World
PoC video/pictures/statement
Exploit (Usermode - Kernelmode)
HEN - Release
CFW Emulation - Release


Thing is once the HEN is released Sony research the Vulnerability and patch it, closing the loop and making us start from step one again. We lucked out there for a few years with Pandora/MMS (Which, incedentally is part Feature (0xFFFFFF boot IPL from MS) part exploit (PreIPL(IPL) authentication hack + brute force)) which was a rare hardware vulnerability, hence its persistence.

We'll do this little dance with Sony until we run out of exploits... or some hardcore nut job figures out/leaks Sony's Encryption and Signature algorithms and their associated keys.

[erfd]

if he will never release this hen
why he made this video? to show his niubility?

[MaxMouseDLL]

if he will never release this hen
why he made this video? to show his niubility?

To show the world how awesome he is... or something like that... Meh..

[bread903]

What are they trying to pretend? A magician?

After all, it's someone else's technology they hacked.

Knowing how PSP Go is made doesn't make it their product.

I understand they feel they've been betrayed,

but it was their being naive.

How could someone stupid enough to spread the source code

of a certain program, and expect nobody to touch it?

As we and Team Typhoon know well, it is called Stupidity.



And as of this proof of PSP go can be hacked,

it's a complete masterbation.

Why don't they make their PSP go's battery to be able to explode as they control

and do it in their pants? That would at least make us entertained.

This thing doesn't.

[Mathieulh]

People should stop flamming, especially 3r14nd. The team Typhoon owes you nothing, they are free to provide any kind of hack they find just as well as to keep those for themselves. None of you have the right to tell them what should be done from those or to flame them about it. If you really want a hack you should produce it yourselves rather than complaining.

At least this hack is their own. Not someone else's unlike someone who recently showed off another hack and yet has not have been flamed for it. (I am not telling you to flame him, please don't get me wrong.) Do you really think that groups I am or have been part of such as prometheus or M33 or even I alone did not conceal anything from you (hacks or others) then you are deeply mistaken.

Someone always has the choice to distribute his work (or not) as he sees fit and if anyone objects, they should just reproduce this work themselves. I have a deep respect regarding team typhoon and their work as well as the ones of lots of other developers. And if people had not abuse this work to run iso loaders dispite them being very clear about how they did not want their work to be used for piracy, perhaps they would have been willing to distribute it. As I have always said, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[Sen]

Nobody can or going to force them to release anything, they do prove they made it this far but since they are not releasing it, let wait for someone who actually able to..

I agree this video is made to show off ONLY, even the cfw on GO is real, what the point of uploading it w/o release, nobody can demand anything but at least do something to gain ppl respect, if they not intend to release dont put up a video..

I do respect DA since I start using his OE fw long ago, as for Gen, many ppl call it the new era which I agree both of them done alot & gain alot of respect & rep worldwide..

Team Typhoon
**Nobody care if you can fly, ppl only care can your wings really help them?**
PSP yXy :)

[Ganzaa]

As I have said previously, if they wont release it then its in the same class as a fake. WHO CARES!!!

Either, release it or keep it to yourself. We don't care.

As soon as I read the "we will never release it" I stopped the video. I don't care for fake videos. Anyone can make a fake video and if its not fake then don't tease us with it, either release it or go f@@k yourself.

ur a faggot :rolleyes:

[MaxMouseDLL]

People should stop flamming, especially 3r14nd. The team Typhoon owes you nothing, they are free to provide any kind of hack they find just as well as to keep those for themselves. None of you have the right to tell them what should be done from those or to flame them about it. If you really want a hack you should produce it yourselves rather than complaining. At least this hack is their own. Not someone else's unlike someone who recently showed off another hack and yet has not have been flamed for it. (I am not telling you to flame him, please don't get me wrong.) Do you really think that groups I am or have been part of such as prometheus or M33 or even I alone did not conceal anything from you (hacks or others) then you are deeply mistaken. Someone always has the choice to distribute his work (or not) as he sees fit and if anyone objects, they should just reproduce this work themselves. I have a deep respect regarding team tycoon and their work as well as the ones of lots of other developers. And if people had not abuse this work to run iso loaders dispite them being very clear about how they did not want their work to be used for piracy, perhaps they would have been willing to distribute it. As I have always said, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

P.S. Sorry for the bad formatting, I wrote this from my iphone, I will fix it later when I get home.

Math, If typhoon (or others) are free to do what they like with their work (and i agree with you, they are under no obligation to release), then members of online communities such as MaxConsole should be free to complain about it if they like, as long as they stay within the community rules - That's all that happens these days, you've seen it yourself.

As for the Davee/Typhoon ISO loader debate, my view is clear, at one point Davee said (... ranted) he would implement "protection" into his HEN to make it very difficult to write any form of ISO loader... i lost all respect for the guy at that point (Even though, he never did implement ISO loader protection), although i will refrain from flaming him/team typhoon as they did make a successful release.

All that being said, Math it isn't like you to get involved as mediator in silly scene squabbles... why are you now?

[subcon959]

The problem is the psp scene is not a true homebrew community. It's only probably about 10% homebrew and 90% piracy. That's why only 10% of the people around here are actually decent and appreciative, whereas the vast majority are complete arseholios and just want to download and play the latest iso yesterday.

[NakedFaerie]

Happy to be of service, most of the time he "slams" himself without any help from the MaxConsole locals.

At least I'm not a douche and who releases a video and says I wont release it. I've already said I will never release a video and I'm not even going to say what I'm working on or how its going. When its finished I will enjoy my work and nobody else will as I wont release it.

Math, I know devs have unreleased hacks and CFW etc, but why tell everyone about it? Not having a go at you at all, I'm having a go at Team Typhoon. Nobody cares for hacks that never get released. Even the info of them should be kept unreleased.

If they want to release a video then do the decent thing and release it.

As I said, videos of unreleased stuff is equal to fake videos.

[NakedFaerie]

As for the Davee/Typhoon ISO loader debate, my view is clear, at one point Davee said (... ranted) he would implement "protection" into his HEN to make it very difficult to write any form of ISO loader... i lost all respect for the guy at that point (Even though, he never did implement ISO loader protection), although i will refrain from flaming him/team typhoon as they did make a successful release.


I think he should be happy it's still being used. It was a great find. What people do with it is up to the community, so if an ISO loader gets released so be it. He cant tell us what to do with it.
That's what $ony do. They say no ISOs can run on it but they do and have they stopped releasing PSPs coz they can play ISOs? Nope.

If he didn't want ISOs to run on it then why release it in the first place?

[subcon959]

The above post is perfect evidence of what I said.

EDIT: Damn you NF quit double posting. The above-but-one post is evidence of what I said.

[ultragoregrind]

Wow, a WHOLE lot of butthurt going on in this thread.

Are you all REALLY jumping at the chance to blow $250 on a PSP Go? There is very little the Go can do that i cannot do with my trusty psp-2000.

[NakedFaerie]

The problem is the psp scene is not a true homebrew community. It's only probably about 10% homebrew and 90% piracy. That's why only 10% of the people around here are actually decent and appreciative, whereas the vast majority are complete arseholios and just want to download and play the latest iso yesterday.

Piracy is not a bad thing. There was a survey done recently that said nearly all pirates buy what they download.

I just went and brought a game today that I downloaded 2 weeks ago. If I didn't download it and find out it was a great game I wouldn't have brought it so piracy is good that way.
Same as GTA:CW. I wasn't sure about it until I played it after downloading it. And the day it was finally released I brought it.

I really think people need to stop looking at piracy as a bad thing. It's like demos.
Remember years ago when you went to your friends house and listened to their records or tapes then you liked it and went and brought it yourself. Or did you just put in a blank tape and made a copy?
Or how about watching a movie on TV then going and buying it on DVD the next day. You could've either recorded it on DVR or video instead of buying it.

Piracy has always been around and it will always be here. Nobody can stop it.

If Davee doesn't release his work coz he doesn't want people to run ISOs then why did he make it in the first place? Why waste all that time and effort to make something that will never be used? Everyone knows and respects DA for all his work. Davee can have that same sort of status if he wants to release his work.

[tinman]

The problem is developers are listing to the voices of the few. In every cheering crowd there are people booing. I would love to know what they do when a bad show is on TV.

[MaxMouseDLL]

There is very little the Go can do that i cannot do with my trusty psp-2000.

It can store much more porn internally, and it can send it via bluetooth...

[NakedFaerie]

The problem is developers are listing to the voices of the few. In every cheering crowd there are people booing. I would love to know what they do when a bad show is on TV.

You know that neighbor that always complains about the music being too loud at 4 in the afternoon, thats those booing people. They are usually 80yo with hearing aids so I'm not even sure how they can tell its too loud anyway? "Turn your hearing aids down if its too loud!"

The devs should ignore those few and get over it. Why do you think I keep posting with all this hate here, Well I have a huge ignore list and I ignore all of it. Oh, and the admins help ;)

[MaxMouseDLL]

The devs should ignore those few and get over it. Why do you think I keep posting with all this hate here, Well I have a huge ignore list and I ignore all of it. Oh, and the admins help ;)

You're a developer now? I'm yet to see anything you have released, and if your previous comments are to be believed you never will.


[...]When its finished I will enjoy my work and nobody else will as I wont release it.[...]

So, you're working on a project either alone or with un-named individuals as a group, you will never release any PoC video's, discuss what it is, or make any kind of scene release with any of your work... yet you will still comment "you're working on "something"" - that's worse than releasing a video with no goods, at least you can see it doing something.


At least I'm not a douche and who releases a video and says I wont release it.

You have quite a lot of internal conflict going on don't you NakedFaerie, you contradict yourself a lot...

Anyway, on topic, if Team Typhoon aren't releasing this, that's fine... it's their BBQ... like wise with FreePlay (The un-named developer in Math's post).

[waldog]

Holy ****, your alive...


I like my GO, hacked or not. I prefer it to be hacked though so I don't have to keep switching between it and the 2k. To all the haters, the PSP brand is not dead. The GO is actually selling well.

Yea. I'm still kickin. :cool:

The go is selling. But man the games are like $40 for a digital copy. This is why people want it hacked and then those prices steer people to piracy. Seriously, how many people would pay $40 for a digital copy? Not me. I would actually buy all my games if they weren't overpriced.

[ThreeDog]

You know that neighbor that always complains about the music being too loud at 4 in the afternoon, thats those booing people. They are usually 80yo with hearing aids so I'm not even sure how they can tell its too loud anyway? "Turn your hearing aids down if its too loud!"

The devs should ignore those few and get over it. Why do you think I keep posting with all this hate here, Well I have a huge ignore list and I ignore all of it. Oh, and the admins help ;)

Didn't think you'd have time to post let alone annoy your neighbours.. shouldn't you be formulating Naked vs Microsoft with your lawyer?


I have a deep respect regarding team tycoon and their work as well as the ones of lots of other developers.

P.S. Sorry for the bad formatting, I wrote this from my iphone, I will fix it later when I get home.
You might want to fix that, The keyboard is too small am i right? :D

[lenselijer]

the video is fake, why only release a video and not poc?

[SonicTH228]

That Team Typhoon vid is the straw that's probably going to put my proverbial camel in a body cast.


This video is for bragging rights ONLY (since it's very cool nowadays) and shows our Proof of Concept 6.10 Custom Firmware running on the PSPgo. This will never be released to the general public or anyone else at all whether you are a dev or not, this is Team Typhoon internal material, we have no reason whatsoever to waste a perfectly good exploit. So don't ask for release dates. We don't care about your complaining, whining and everything remotely related and it's your own damn fault since you brought this on yourselves. Better version of the video showcasing more homebrew coming next week. Thanks go to Sony for this awesome piece of new hardware, finally a decent hardware revision. Also thanks to all historied PSP Homebrew developers for paving the way for us to be able to do this.

"You brought this on yourselves"? Seriously? Is this the state of the hacking community now? "You're all pirate-fags so software advancements are no longer going to be made public"? First it was FreePlay and now this.

Disgusting conduct, whether or not they're trying to be "upstanding citizens" by denying pirates their hack. I never imagined the PSP homebrew community would become such a ****-waving contest.

Anyone want to form our own hacking team? I know I'm kind of being drastic in a moment of adrenaline-fueled fury but I'm more than willing to just to throw the crap back in the faces of people who post this b/s. Just something to keep the spirit of the classic PSP homebrew scene alive.

This is the ultimate testament of failure to the world Dark_AleX left us.

[MaxMouseDLL]

You might want to fix that, The keyboard is too small am i right? :D

Yea, i had a chuckle at that too... i thought it best not to pick him up on grammatical/spelling errors since i have already done it once this year, he might get a little upset with me and beat me with a dictionary.


the video is fake, why only release a video and not poc?

The video is clearly not a fake... they will not release a PoC because that would require full disclosure of the exploit and subsequent patching from camp Sony... do try to keep up...

[B2K24]

I wrote this from my iphone

Mathieulh, have you created any apps that can be purchased from the apps store? If so i will support you and buy them.

[3r14nd]

People should stop flamming, especially 3r14nd. The team Typhoon owes you nothing, they are free to provide any kind of hack they find just as well as to keep those for themselves. None of you have the right to tell them what should be done from those or to flame them about it. If you really want a hack you should produce it yourselves rather than complaining. At least this hack is their own. Not someone else's unlike someone who recently showed off another hack and yet has not have been flamed for it. (I am not telling you to flame him, please don't get me wrong.) Do you really think that groups I am or have been part of such as prometheus or M33 or even I alone did not conceal anything from you (hacks or others) then you are deeply mistaken. Someone always has the choice to distribute his work (or not) as he sees fit and if anyone objects, they should just reproduce this work themselves. I have a deep respect regarding team tycoon and their work as well as the ones of lots of other developers. And if people had not abuse this work to run iso loaders dispite them being very clear about how they did not want their work to be used for piracy, perhaps they would have been willing to distribute it. As I have always said, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

P.S. Sorry for the bad formatting, I wrote this from my iphone, I will fix it later when I get home.


First off I don't have a PSPGo and don't plan on it so, if they release it or not it's not going to affect me.

Second my reason for complaining is their reason for not releasing it.

They took a device that someone made and used it for their own purpose. Then someone took what they made and used it for their own purpose and they complained.

In this scene you cannot do that. If you release something like HEN you cannot complain when someone uses it for piracy. They claimed they didn't want it used for piracy but, even in this video they are doing just that. They are using picodrive, which is pirating Sega games. So for them to not want someone to use it for piracy is unjustified.

In this scene you cannot put something out then complain when someone uses it for something you don't want them to. In the game console hacking scene most of them are hacked for and by linux hackers. Then the piraters come behind them and use their work to make backups run. This is they way it's done and will always be done.

For them to complain because ChickHEN was used for something against their wishes is uncalled for. Then to hold out on a hack on a new system because of it is just juvenile.

I could understand if they held out on releasing it for the same reason FreePlay did, because they don't want it patched before it's useful.

If they just wanted to prove it could be done and not release it, it would be fine... but, to hold it because someone used their product for something they didn't want it to is just plain wrong.

It was like 5am when I found this out so I may have been a little out of line when I wrote my previous statement... but still their reason is juvenile this is what I had a problem with.

[phreaker47]

Wow, a WHOLE lot of butthurt going on in this thread.

Are you all REALLY jumping at the chance to blow $250 on a PSP Go? There is very little the Go can do that i cannot do with my trusty psp-2000.

I'm just a bit envious of the bluetooth capability, as I have both stereo bluetooth headphones and DS3 controllers. Otherwise, I agree, I bought my PSP2000 at just the right time...got a TA088V1(or V2) just a couple of weeks before news of the V3 broke out.

[subcon959]

I wonder why there is that same red flash that GEN D2 has....

[mokyurin]

I am also making custom firmware 6.10 PSP go too!!
It can be installed also on any version of old PSPs.
The custom firmware is called "6.10 Microwave33 revision A".
It will be coming at July 7 3009.

[noir_dreams]

I think everyone's forgetting the real issue here...

After Freeplay came out and was like "look what I can do, I can well sorta make my PSP display a message...oh but I'm not gonna release it...I mean I could hack it I'm even gonna make a loader (but am too much of a loser to succeed) but I'm not gonna release it...screw you all"... Or similar words to that effect.

Team Typhoon have release a real video of what can really be done ....

Freeplay = loser
Team Typhoon for the win!

After all people, you must realise sooner or later someone will release some sort of hack, and no doubt one that sony can do little about... (i.e. if either of these hacks use a game exploit on PSN it takes Sony all of 30 seconds before they stop people being able to buy the thing),

Ergo...the hack becomes useless after work from these groups and they all know it too.... and there's less people moaning and whining and therefore no fame or controversy...

so see it all for what it is, a useless ego time waster battle!... And I have to say I love it!

[aprentus]

---Quote (Originally by aprentus)---
it seems to me if they have found a kernel exploit, and are truely "in the system" then they would not release the exploit. Having system access within the go, correct me if I'm wrong, means it will be a short time till they have once again hijacked an installer, with a jacked installer no one needs the original exploit, and it can be saved to repeat the trick.
---End Quote---
You have NO clue what you are talking about, do you?
************


Let me put it better, if you and a group of people you half trusted where going to rob a mansion, and you knew about a secret entrance that nobody else knew about, you wouldn't tell everyone, you would go in and open the doors and windows for your 'co-workers' and keep the secret secret.
Math himself pretty much said that all these type developers have unreleased firmwares, hacks, exploits, and tricks.
All i'm saying is having kernel access can certainly give team typhoon a better look at how the the new firmwares run, in order to exploit them. I know that the installer is not truley hacked, else it would run on any and all psp without a pandora or exploit.
I am also aware though that having access to the ram for a dump can be very useful.
I am not super educated on the internals of the psp system, but I do understand basic computer security, and firmware is nothing more than an OS.
Dont get so caught up on the language and look at the message

[Mchief298]

That Team Typhoon vid is the straw that's probably going to put my proverbial camel in a body cast.



"You brought this on yourselves"? Seriously? Is this the state of the hacking community now? "You're all pirate-fags so software advancements are no longer going to be made public"? First it was FreePlay and now this.

Disgusting conduct, whether or not they're trying to be "upstanding citizens" by denying pirates their hack. I never imagined the PSP homebrew community would become such a ****-waving contest.

Anyone want to form our own hacking team? I know I'm kind of being drastic in a moment of adrenaline-fueled fury but I'm more than willing to just to throw the crap back in the faces of people who post this b/s. Just something to keep the spirit of the classic PSP homebrew scene alive.

This is the ultimate testament of failure to the world Dark_AleX left us.

Yea, I guess it is the state of the hacking and/or homebrewing community. That's how everyone is now-a-days. 'It's your fault this isn't going to be released...' blah blah blah. Do us all a favor and shut up. :/ We get it, you're selfish and stupid. You try to justify yourselves in the gayest of ways. Come on. DAX is basically dead, we haven't seen **** from him in the longest time, we probably never will again. I may be wrong, who knows? The PSP Scene is dying because of ignorant assholes like 'Team Typhoon'.... That has got to be the gayest name for a Dev Team I have ever heard or seen. It's time to move on and find a new community, that's what I think. There's so few people trying to help the community now, and the whole 'Hen' FW excuse is just flat out bullshit and you guys know it.

I don't care if those arrogant assholes read this or not. I want to rant, so I shall do it here. >.>

[Mathieulh]

All that being said, Math it isn't like you to get involved as mediator in silly scene squabbles... why are you now?

I just tend to dislike when a fellow developers or his work gets bashed up like it has been done earlier on this very thread, so I went and defended him the best I could. But yeah you are right, it is usually unlike me to take part in any kind of drama considering how keen I am on avoiding it xD

[Ozz465]

The way i see it is that good for them this vid will make there ego bigger , for us who cares?? if they dont release it F them . some one else will eventually .Just an other way to stroke there own egos.

[Mathieulh]

Piracy is not a bad thing. There was a survey done recently that said nearly all pirates buy what they download.

Err... really ? If only that was true..... In reality you will find out about less than 10% of pirates do purchase the games they download. (or a few of them) All the others don't care as long as they get the content "for free".



I really think people need to stop looking at piracy as a bad thing. It's like demos.

Since when has a full game ever been a demo ? If you want demos there are lots of those on the playstation store, feel free to download and compare.



If Davee doesn't release his work coz he doesn't want people to run ISOs then why did he make it in the first place? Why waste all that time and effort to make something that will never be used? Everyone knows and respects DA for all his work. Davee can have that same sort of status if he wants to release his work.

If you were an actual developer you could pretty well answer this question. The point is developers do things as either a challenge or a hobby, they only help the community because they are kind enough to do so, nothing forces them to do it, and they are certainly not looking for fame (that would be wannabe devs) they have nothing to prove except to other developers because they tend not to care about what clueless noobs think of themselves or their work (at least it is true for me though I dislike seeing lamers bashing a friends' or usually someone else's work.) so they have absolutely no reason to release anything other than generosity.

[Mathieulh]

Mathieulh, have you created any apps that can be purchased from the apps store? If so i will support you and buy them.

Not so far, I have been a regular iphone user up to now, though I have taken a bit of interest in the way the iphone works as well as in iphone hacking (though I did not take any active part in it so far)

Perhaps I will start coding iphone apps for the appstore someday but I will need to get a mac first :p

[ultragoregrind]

Piracy is not a bad thing. There was a survey done recently that said nearly all pirates buy what they download.

Link please?

I really dislike it when one pulls "facts" out one's own ass.

[tinman]

Perhaps I will start coding iphone apps for the appstore someday but I will need to get a mac first :p

I will donate a working MacBook Pro. 2,1 for 10% of everything you sell on the App store. :p

[ThreeDog]

Link please?

I really dislike it when one pulls "facts" out one's own ass.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8337887.stm


Piracy is not a bad thing. There was a survey done recently that said nearly all pirates buy what they download.

This only applies to music not games. The survey is only indicative of trends of 1008 people... 1008 technically minded people smart enough to find a poll by an obscure research group, makes you wonder who it was funded by and who they solicited doesn't it ;)

[Iceb3rg]

Hey so they don't want to share the code..its their right to not put it out there. But they aren't the only team working on the PSPGO. Sooner or later it will be hacked and a CFW will be released, its just a matter of time. There will never be another DA though, never.

[Xenontc]

Someone actually bought a PSP Go? My condolences go out to the money that was wasted on that purchase.

[DerekD1982]

these guys are just sad. the best thing to do is just not talk about it. your only giving them what they want by complaining. if you ignore them, they will GO away.

[mrx1]

Here's their justification

PSPgo 6.10 CFW/HEN Proof of Concept

Disclaimer from Team Typhoon:

This video is for bragging rights ONLY (since it's very cool nowadays) and shows our Proof of Concept 6.10 Custom Firmware running on the PSPgo. This will never be released to the general public or anyone else at all whether you are a dev or not, this is Team Typhoon internal material, we have no reason whatsoever to waste a perfectly good exploit. So don't ask for release dates. We don't care about your complaining, whining and everything remotely related and it's your own damn fault since you brought this on yourselves. Better version of the video showcasing more homebrew coming next week. Thanks go to Sony for this awesome piece of new hardware, finally a decent hardware revision. Also thanks to all historied PSP Homebrew developers for paving the way for us to be able to do this.

[dim33]

Here's their justification

PSPgo 6.10 CFW/HEN Proof of Concept

Disclaimer from Team Typhoon:

"..........This will never be released to the general public or anyone else at all whether you are a dev or not, this is Team Typhoon internal material, we have no reason whatsoever to waste a perfectly good exploit. So don't ask for release dates. We don't care about your complaining, whining and everything remotely related ................"That's interesting. Personally when I don't care about something I tend not to post it on the web and then shout about it to the people that I don't care about.

[MaxMouseDLL]

Link please?

I really dislike it when one pulls "facts" out one's own ass.

*ahem* - 29% of MaxConsole's population agree that Ultragoregrind's left testicle is turquoise in colour.


I just tend to dislike when a fellow developers or his work gets bashed up like it has been done earlier on this very thread, so I went and defended him the best I could. But yeah you are right, it is usually unlike me to take part in any kind of drama considering how keen I am on avoiding it xD

lol, It's strange seeing your human side, but... fair enough. What's to bash though? it's clearly a working PoC, people can simply bash his/their decision to keep it private, or, like myself, bash their moral stand point on certain aspects of the scene/firmware/HEN (Namely: ISO's and Loader support from ChickHEN).

This isn't an event anyway, a dev released a video of some tricks he can do, nothing more. Like you said in a previous post in this thread, there are many things that are not released to the general populous, although i haven't seen you, Alex or any other scene-player (With the recent exception of FreePlay) releasing video's of this caliber for "Bragging rights" - Maybe that's further reflection on Team Typhoon member's character's.

There is one thing i can't deny though, it's good work on their part, private or not, bragging or not... and another thing Math, i may be way off base here, but this whole thing seems close to your heart, your involved in this HEN hu?

[Mathieulh]

i haven't seen you, Alex or any other scene-player (With the recent exception of FreePlay) releasing video's of this caliber for "Bragging rights" - Maybe that's further reflection on Team Typhoon member's character's.

I can't take the liberty of talking about others but as far as I am concerned, releasing pointless videos of things I do not intent to release or even publically bragging about it is just not how I normally behave.



There is one thing i can't deny though, it's good work on their part, private or not, bragging or not... and another thing Math, i may be way off base here, but this whole thing seems close to your heart, your involved in this HEN hu?

I happen to know Typhoon members (some of them) personally (not in real life though) and we happen to have quite a friendly relationship but I am not involved in their HEN project in any way.

[MaxMouseDLL]

I can't take the liberty of talking about others but as far as I am concerned, releasing pointless videos of things I do not intent to release or even publically bragging about it is just not how I normally behave.

Too many people scrutinize the things you say, so I understand your slightly guarded stance, on the point of Team Typhoon's "bragging rights" lol, youth is wasted on the young...

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[*((u32 *)NULL)]

I wonder why there is that same red flash that GEN D2 has....

Um...perhaps because developers talk with anothers developers in his private chats and talk about coding?

This screen colours are used as a debug system in GEN (i think, it is my personal opinion) , so, perhaps Typhoon use the same method. If you make a debug code that change your screen some seconds it is a very nice and quickly way to:

- Do you want know if your code reached a point? Use this system. If the screen change you reached the target point.
- You can debug without use a PC or have mounted a MS and without use the flash to make a log.
- Use the imagination....powerfull tool, :)

[cliffyboro]

This is obviously a great achievement if Team Typhoon have a full CFW installed. If they don't want to release it then that's their choice. The PSP scene is full of people sitting on their hands, practically begging for someone to release something, without anyone actually trying to do anything themselves.

That aside, I don't think making a video to show they have done it and then say they are not releasing it is really needed.

Personally, I'm not bothered if they release it or not as I don't own a PSP Go. In fact, I don't even own a PSP any more. I do, however, like to keep up with what's going on in the PSP scene having been around since near the beginning when it was something exciting to be a part of, without people whinging all the time and people excited for the new releases of homebrew which were practically coming every day. :cool:

[sens8]

Edited for lack of words.

[waldog]

@Mathieulh

You before said that the problem of piracy is a big deal on the psp. And you act like you're against it. But why did D_A try to decompile UMD emulator? That was the whole point of umd emulator. To play isos. Then the point of cfw was to implement it into the actual firmware. How can you say that you're against something when you were a tester for D_A? And why hasn't D_A came out and said anything? As far as I can see, you guys are the ones who paved the way and helped pirates more than anybody. :rolleyes:

[MaxMouseDLL]

This is obviously a great achievement if Team Typhoon have a full CFW installed.

They don't... it's a HEN. If they had CFW installed on the Go that would mean they had cracked the patched PreIPL and written a new custom IPL, i believe the Go's PreIPL is the same as or very similar to the TA-088v3 and the TA-090v2, which would mean CFW for all and much rejoicing in the scene.... but clearly this is just another HEN to relax restrictions on running unsigned code, as such, if released would be very easy for Sony to patch.

[sens8]

@Mathieulh

You before said that the problem of piracy is a big deal on the psp. And you act like you're against it. But why did D_A try to decompile UMD emulator? That was the whole point of umd emulator. To play isos. Then the point of cfw was to implement it into the actual firmware. How can you say that you're against something when you were a tester for D_A? And why hasn't D_A came out and said anything? As far as I can see, you guys are the ones who paved the way and helped pirates more than anybody. :rolleyes:

I believed that was implemented to back up your own purchased game$.

[Mathieulh]

@Mathieulh

You before said that the problem of piracy is a big deal on the psp. And you act like you're against it. But why did D_A try to decompile UMD emulator? That was the whole point of umd emulator. To play isos. Then the point of cfw was to implement it into the actual firmware. How can you say that you're against something when you were a tester for D_A? And why hasn't D_A came out and said anything? As far as I can see, you guys are the ones who paved the way and helped pirates more than anybody. :rolleyes:

Reversing the UMD Emulator had several purposes, one of them being to know "how it works" as for isos, isos do not necessarly mean piracy. Remember that we were at an age where there was no playstation store and people had no other choice but to use UMDs. UMDs being what they are, those are slow, drain battery and make noise. For those reasons we chose to let the users play their games as isos and because our work is not to remain behind your backs to see what use you do of it, we chose to let you do so without restrictions. But on a console such as the pspgo where a legit user gain no advantages at running isos of their games over the ones purchased on the store (which are nothing but drmed encrypted isos) letting people the choice to run backups as isos does not apply. Letting people the choice to run backups on their consoles by no mean meant that we were or are supporting piracy. In fact most homebrew developers or console hackers do not condone piracy or even use it themselves.

[waldog]

Reversing the UMD Emulator had several purposes, one of them being to know "how it works" as for isos, isos do not necessarly mean piracy. Remember that we were at an age where there was no playstation store and people had no other choice but to use UMDs. UMDs being what they are, those are slow, drain battery and make noise. For those reasons we chose to let the users play their games as isos and because our work is not to remain behind your backs to see what use you do of it, we chose to let you do so without restrictions. But on a console such as the pspgo where a legit user gain no advantages at running isos of their games over the ones purchased on the store (which are nothing but drmed encrypted isos) letting people the choice to run backups as isos does not apply. Letting people the choice to run backups on their consoles by no mean meant that we were or are supporting piracy. In fact most homebrew developers or console hackers do not condone piracy or even use it themselves.

Makes sense. But you guys should have known that it would lead to pirates. I'm all down for buying games. I have a massive collection of games for ps3/ps2 and other consoles. But lets all be honest here. The digital games for psp are in no way worth the asking price. I mean, $4 for 1 table of pinball? lol

And back on topic. I don't see any reason this team needs to release anything to prove themselves.

[sens8]

Reversing the UMD Emulator had several purposes, one of them being to know "how it works" as for isos, isos do not necessarly mean piracy. Remember that we were at an age where there was no playstation store and people had no other choice but to use UMDs. UMDs being what they are, those are slow, drain battery and make noise. For those reasons we chose to let the users play their games as isos and because our work is not to remain behind your backs to see what use you do of it, we chose to let you do so without restrictions. But on a console such as the pspgo where a legit user gain no advantages at running isos of their games over the ones purchased on the store (which are nothing but drmed encrypted isos) letting people the choice to run backups as isos does not apply. Letting people the choice to run backups on their consoles by no mean meant that we were or are supporting piracy. In fact most homebrew developers or console hackers do not condone piracy or even use it themselves.

Hi there math: My question is about your comment "But on a console such as the pspgo where a legit user gain no advantages at running isos of their games over the ones purchased on the store" What if someone wanted to save space on their internal storage by using a ripkit or just removing things from the game to make it smaller and repacking the game.. would that be a good enough reason to keep the backup iso option?
For example the Ridge Racer was a little over 500mb but removing the soundtrack since I didn't like it much and recompile it saved quit a bit of space I Think it brought it down to 184mb. I then used the music prx to listen to my fav. mp3's. Just an example.

[MaxMouseDLL]

But on a console such as the pspgo where a legit user gain no advantages at running isos of their games over the ones purchased on the store (which are nothing but drmed encrypted isos) letting people the choice to run backups as isos does not apply.

Why not? As far back as i can remember you guys where all about "If it can be done, it should be done" and your (And when i say "your" i mean the developer community in general, yourself included) justification for that was "If a user decides to use one of our features/applications for illegitimate purposes [Such as piracy] then that decision rests on the shoulders of the user, not us as the developers"

I understand some things have changed and become a little more serious for some behind closed doors... but surely the decision on piracy is still down the the user?

[Mathieulh]

Why not? As far back as i can remember you guys where all about "If it can be done, it should be done" and your (And when i say "your" i mean the developer community in general, yourself included) justification for that was "If a user decides to use one of our features/applications for illegitimate purposes [Such as piracy] then that decision rests on the shoulders of the user, not us as the developers"

I understand some things have changed and become a little more serious for some behind closed doors... but surely the decision on piracy is still down the the user?

Of course it is, hacks are like blades, those can be used either to cook or to kill, the problem is when people abuse and start killing a lot of more than cooking. We wont be there to prevent people from running isos on their hacked psps but that does not mean that we have any obligation whatsoever to provide means to pirate or even hacks. The problem is our work is now used massively for piracy rather than homebrews so we don't want to provide it anymore. We are not forcing you to stop pirating, yet we can still inform you about its harmful effects upon the videogame industry as well as our opinion about it. The choice then remains yours.

[MaxMouseDLL]

Of course it is, hacks are like blades, those can be used either to cook or to kill, the problem is when people abuse and start killing a lot of more than cooking. We wont be there to prevent people from running isos on their hacked psps but that does not mean that we have any obligation whatsoever to provide means to pirate or even hacks. The problem is our work is now used massively for piracy rather than homebrews so we don't want to provide it anymore. We are not forcing you to stop pirating, yet we can still inform you about its harmful effects upon the videogame industry as well as our opinion about it. The choice then remains yours.

I cant disagree with any of that... it is however, a shame, the way things are.


http://www.maxconsole.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24701&stc=1&d=1258123365
You all know what the filetype: is...

[Xenogears V]

No release, no party.:p

[ultragoregrind]

*ahem* - 29% of MaxConsole's population agree that Ultragoregrind's left testicle is turquoise in colour.

HAH! That's one for the sig!

[B2K24]

I would be very happy if all psp units and the psp go could run homebrew only with no iso support.

Lets say for example if the pre ipl is cracked and a CFW is possible on all units and also assuming DA comes back with a 6.10 CFW by chance is their a way he could remove iso support without anyone being able to modify his CFW?

The GO would be perfect for me only to play emulators and homebrew plus legally purchase content from the PSN i would be very happy.

[F34R]

I would be very happy if all psp units and the psp go could run homebrew only with no iso support.

Lets say for example if the pre ipl is cracked and a CFW is possible on all units and also assuming DA comes back with a 6.10 CFW by chance is their a way he could remove iso support without anyone being able to modify his CFW?

The GO would be perfect for me only to play emulators and homebrew plus legally purchase content from the PSN i would be very happy.

This would make me monumentally happy. I'd definitely donate for something like that.

[Goldsun1715]

To be honest, I'd pirate the hell out of the Go if I had the opportunity.


The PSN games are way overpriced compared to store-bought UMDs.

[F34R]

To be honest, I'd pirate the hell out of the Go if I had the opportunity.


The PSN games are way overpriced compared to store-bought UMDs.

Oh, no doubt. I'm just saying that I'd be completely ok with paying for games if I didn't have the option to download them for free.

[stonercold]

I would be very happy if all psp units and the psp go could run homebrew only with no iso support.

Lets say for example if the pre ipl is cracked and a CFW is possible on all units and also assuming DA comes back with a 6.10 CFW by chance is their a way he could remove iso support without anyone being able to modify his CFW?

The GO would be perfect for me only to play emulators and homebrew plus legally purchase content from the PSN i would be very happy.

I do not believe Dark Alex would ever in his life build a custom firmware WITH OUT iso support. If you recall that is where he got his original enjoyment from on these very forums, intrigued with Humma Kavula's original iso loader cheering for Humma's compatibility fixes and small version releases as moonlight on these very forums. Building his own iso loader, compression technique for isos, graduating into custom firmware and asking his own loyal followers to provide details on which isos don't load. Hacking psx emulator to play isos etc.

And BOOSTER let us not go there. Becase all that read BOOSTER japan wiki back in the day saw that BOOSTER only lived to help the japanese load their iso because umd is too inconvenient. BOOSTER had pages and pages of iso compatibility threads. It is a fact that BOOSTER firmware emulator was merely a convenient by product of desire to build the perfect iso loader for Japan gamers.

What I share here is indeed facts of the history of psp scene, and ignoring it it to blinded by one's own morals.

As Dark Alex once stated here on maxconsoles: Viva the rocket has BOOSTER :D

[B2K24]

I do not believe Dark Alex would ever in his life build a custom firmware WITH OUT iso support. If you recall that is where he got his original enjoyment from on these very forums, intrigued with Humma Kavula's original iso loader cheering for Humma's compatibility fixes and small version releases as moonlight on these very forums. Building his own iso loader, compression technique for isos, graduating into custom firmware and asking his own loyal followers to provide details on which isos don't load. Hacking psx emulator to play isos etc.

And BOOSTER let us not go there. Becase all that read BOOSTER japan wiki back in the day saw that BOOSTER only lived to help the japanese load their iso because umd is too inconvenient. BOOSTER had pages and pages of iso compatibility threads. It is a fact that BOOSTER firmware emulator was merely a convenient by product of desire to build the perfect iso loader for Japan gamers.

What I share here is indeed facts of the history of psp scene, and ignoring it it to blinded by one's own morals.

As Dark Alex once stated here on maxconsoles: Viva the rocket has BOOSTER :D

Their is a great difference between then and now. As Mathieulh stated UMD makes noise, drains battery fast, etc. The GO has no UMD so the old argument does not apply for this topic.

What i wish is too see all psp models including GO able to install CFW or HEN
with absolutely no iso support and no one could modify the CFW or HEN to include the iso support.

[NakedFaerie]

What i wish is too see all psp models including GO able to install CFW or HEN
with absolutely no iso support and no one could modify the CFW or HEN to include the iso support.

That's called OFW.

People want a CFW to run ISOs. Backups of the UMDs they own. (Running backups are LEGAL in some countries like here in Aus)

Some people don't own the ISOs they run but thats their problem. They are the ones that get charged with piracy, not the dev that created the CFW.
It's like if someone shoots and kills someone do you charge Colt or Smith & Wessen coz they made the gun? No, you charge the shooter.

[subcon959]

It's like if someone shoots and kills someone do you charge Colt or Smith & Wessen coz they made the gun? No, you charge the shooter.
In an ideal world people wouldn't need to be governed and looked after. But we live in a world full of irresponsible retards. So yes, I think the blame should be aimed solely at the providers such as tobacco companies, alcohol breweries, firearms dealers etc etc.
I'm not American obviously, otherwise I would be spouting off about my rights blah blah. No, I'm a realist and I think people have too many choices in this world without the basic intelligence to make those decisions.

[NakedFaerie]

In an ideal world people wouldn't need to be governed and looked after. But we live in a world full of irresponsible retards. So yes, I think the blame should be aimed solely at the providers such as tobacco companies, alcohol breweries, firearms dealers etc etc.
I'm not American obviously, otherwise I would be spouting off about my rights blah blah. No, I'm a realist and I think people have too many choices in this world without the basic intelligence to make those decisions.

I can tell your not an American as you didn't give a retarded reply. :P

It's not the companies fault. Look at alcohol. Alcohol doesn't kill people, it's usually the bartender that keeps serving drinks, then lets the guy drive his car. In that case should you charge Ford for making the car? You'd charge the bar for letting him get that drunk in the first place.
What about all those people that do drink then walk home or catch a taxi. As 1 person is stupid and drives doesn't mean everyone else should get punished for his stupidity.

[Flex2006]

GAY

Why do we get to this late in the history of the psp develpment to start having issues and worrying about what the hacks will be used for ????? The damage (if any) has already been done.

Just release the hack already !!!!!!!!

[linkboy]

Its well within their right not release this is they don't want to. Its their hack, they can do what they want with it.

I do have to agree with Mathieulh, piracy totally destroyed the PSP homebrew community (what little there was to begin with). Did the same thing to the Dreamcast community as well.

Mathieulh, I do want to thank you and Dark Alex for the PS1 emulator (even though you guys didn't make it, you guys opened it up). Its really the only reason I still have my PSP. If it wasn't for that, I would have gotten rid of this thing a long time ago.

Oh, and Naked Fairie, not every American is a brain-dead moron.

[NakedFaerie]

IOh, and Naked Fairie, not every American is a brain-dead moron.

Just 90% of them and their whole government.

Did you read about the 4yo's xbox360 that got banned? The father played MW2 with him. MW2 for a 4yo? Have to be a complete moron to think thats good. This sort of thing happens only in America.

[dsav]

lol @ naked farie.

must be cool to live in a country that loves to ban games that get released everywhere else.

not even gonna bother tho, mr. making my own cfw. lol.

i'm done.

[InfinitiProject]

ex: Left 4 Dead 2 = banned.

[NakedFaerie]

Have to be an American to come up with that stupid answer.

If you think its just me then get the latest version of Top Gear S14E01. Even the Brits say Americans are stupid.

Who cares what I'm working on. I have already said I'm not going to say what it is and I'm not going to release it. I might not even finish it. Just drop it as you will never get it anyway so what do you care what I'm working on?

Your just trying to find an answer to me saying Americans are stupid but you cant find an intelligent answer so don't even bother trying. You just look even more stupid.

And Left For Dead 2 is not banned in Aus. How can they ban something thats not even released? It will be released here.

[MaxMouseDLL]

If you think its just me then get the latest version of Top Gear S14E01. Even the Brits say Americans are stupid.

American's (As a whole) are stupid... but who cares, apparently Italians are romantic, black guys have big dicks and the English have rain all the time and bad teeth...

[NakedFaerie]

American's (As a whole) are stupid... but who cares, apparently Italians are romantic, black guys have big dicks and the English have rain all the time and bad teeth...

I thought the French were the romantics? Or do they just smell of cheese?

After playing Assassins Creed 2 I do believe Italians are the romantics. :)

But, yea all Americans suck and Americans don't know that. They are too stupid to realise the rest of the world hates them.

[peter_poiuyt]

haha what are they 12?

i have something you don't nya nya nya.

if they don't, someone will. if no one does, then bye bye psp. maybe.

[waldog]

Have to be an American to come up with that stupid answer.

If you think its just me then get the latest version of Top Gear S14E01. Even the Brits say Americans are stupid.


Tons of people say man kind is stupid. Why talk that way about Americans only? Not all Americans are stupid. Afaik, some of the smartest people in the world are from America.

[MaxMouseDLL]

Tons of people say man kind is stupid. Why talk that way about Americans only? Not all Americans are stupid. Afaik, some of the smartest people in the world are from America.

Some of the dumbest too... it's stereotypical that certain races of people have certain attributes... the standard stereotypical world view of an average "American" is a fat, loud, overly dramatic, moron... sorry... that's just the stereotype... don't get hurt by it... us English have worse... apparently it rains here all the time, we all speak "posh", and all have crooked teeth etc etc...

Don't get all buthurt by a stereotype... the main reason people point out the American stereotype is we all know FOR A FACT someone will get trolled by it and get all emotional...

[brethren]

I thought the French were the romantics? Or do they just smell of cheese?

After playing Assassins Creed 2 I do believe Italians are the romantics. :)

But, yea all Americans suck and Americans don't know that. They are too stupid to realise the rest of the world hates them.

........you do realise he was taking the piss of you

[waldog]

Some of the dumbest too... it's stereotypical that certain races of people have certain attributes... the standard stereotypical world view of an average "American" is a fat, loud, overly dramatic, moron... sorry... that's just the stereotype... don't get hurt by it... us English have worse... apparently it rains here all the time, we all speak "posh", and all have crooked teeth etc etc...

Don't get all buthurt by a stereotype... the main reason people point out the American stereotype is we all know FOR A FACT someone will get trolled by it and get all emotional...

I know it's a stereotype. But it's a dumb one. As Americans are far from the dumbest in the world. :cool:

[MaxMouseDLL]

I know it's a stereotype. But it's a dumb one. As Americans are far from the dumbest in the world. :cool:

Yea... uh hu... *cough*friggin-bunch-of-idiots*cough* fair comment...

[NakedFaerie]

I know it's a stereotype. But it's a dumb one. As Americans are far from the dumbest in the world. :cool:

What's the bet your an American? Have to be with a lame reply like that. :D

Who is the worlds biggest dumbass? George Bush. Where does he come from? America.
Do you really think he is smart? If the President of a country is a dumbass and the whole country votes him in multiple times then it kinda explains itself that the whole country is a dumbass.

I've seen on TV American kids at age 8 cant even spell their own names. My disabled kid can spell her name since she was 4.

And only Americans think they are smart.

[Goldsun1715]

What's the bet your an American? Have to be with a lame reply like that. :D

Who is the worlds biggest dumbass? George Bush. Where does he come from? America.
Do you really think he is smart? If the President of a country is a dumbass and the whole country votes him in multiple times then it kinda explains itself that the whole country is a dumbass.

I've seen on TV American kids at age 8 cant even spell their own names. My disabled kid can spell her name since she was 4.

And only Americans think they are smart.

I agree that America is probably one of the most hated countries in the world (for good reasons). However, your comments make you seem unintelligent and rude. I'm very surprised that you haven't been banned or at least given a warning. Take a look at the original topic, we are discussing the PSP Go and the new exploit. Why not discuss that? Instead, you've gone so far off topic just to bash a country that could militarily destroy yours (I'm assuming Australia.) in a matter of days. Now if we could get back on topic:

I believe (and hope) that this exploit will lead to further developments for PSP Go (I'm aching for some portable SNES gaming on my Go.) But if they aren't willing to release anything, I don't see how this could develop into a fully working exploit.

[waldog]

What's the bet your an American? Have to be with a lame reply like that. :D

Who is the worlds biggest dumbass? George Bush. Where does he come from? America.
Do you really think he is smart? If the President of a country is a dumbass and the whole country votes him in multiple times then it kinda explains itself that the whole country is a dumbass.

I've seen on TV American kids at age 8 cant even spell their own names. My disabled kid can spell her name since she was 4.

And only Americans think they are smart.

So all Americans voted for him? Nope.

And Tell me this - What great has came from your country besides a Subaru and Crocodile Dundee? Nothing. :eek:

What came from America?

Cars - Planes - T.V. - Radio - Electricity - The best Military in the world - N.A.S.A., Much, Much more. Hell, even the pc or mac you're typing on is using software developed in America. The best Architects come from America. :rolleyes:

Maybe your kid is disabled from Karma? They were disabled so more of you wouldn't be around the earth saying/doing bad? How's that feel? Kinda sucks huh? That's the same I feel when you make a statement like what you did.

I'm not heartless though and think all men are equal. And sorry to hear your child is disabled.

BTW: I'm not gonna sit here and debate politics or countries with you. If I wanted to do that - I would join that type of forum.

[JoMacHo]

If most things were made in the US, only means they're rich (coming from stolen oil with made up wars) and can afford to develop (it goes especially for the military). Speaking of NASA, how many foreigners do you think it has?
I don't want to stereotype, but most people know that most Americans are stupid and fat and the Asian have small dicks, lol.

[waldog]

If most things were made in the US, only means they're rich and can afford to develop. Speaking of NASA, how many foreigners do you think it has?
I don't want to stereotype, but most people know that the Americans are stupid and fat and the Asian have small dicks, lol.

So the minds that thought those thoughts of how to make it don't count? :rolleyes:

There's just as many fat people in your country I would imagine. There's fat people all over the world. I can't help that the people in American overeat. I'm not their guardian. As long as I ain't, then I'm good to go. :D

[JoMacHo]

Sure, not saying that it isn't necessary to have a brilliant mind, but without the means you can't invent much. It is proven that the Germans are the most bright.

EDIT: The problem with the US is that they are forced to eat crap. I have seen "Super size me", Jesus! Look at the size of that coke!

[waldog]

Sure, not saying that it isn't necessary to have a brilliant mind, but without the means you can't invent much. It is proven that the Germans are the most bright.

I never said Americans were smarter than the Germans. America wasn't always wealthy either. Everybody had to earn what they got.


I'm done with debating this.

All I wanted to do was point out that not all Americans are dumb.

[JoMacHo]

Of course they are not all dumb, but there's a high percentage of dumbness, because the politicians and the big companies don't want the citizens to be too smart. I'm sure a graduate from MIT is far from dumb.

[JAMESBDX]

good god...

i stopped following the psp scene and this forum about a year ago. i decided to catch up a bit and this rubbish is what i come across. i think i left the scene at the right time. Either that or i've grown too old to understand these comments. in case you lot haven't realised yet, all the (anti) american comments seem to come from 8 year old retards. dumb people can come from any country, just look at this thread for god's sake. no, i don't believe i'm superior to any race, culture or whatever but i'm certainly not stupid enough to use such a laughable example as "americans invented electricity" to try and prove my superiority. f*cking idiot. Do tell me, did they also invent fire? hurricanes maybe? the human race??? oh and if Mr Franklin really did get hit by lightning with his kite, he'd have died on the spot. i'm not saying he didn't figure out that lightning was electricity, just saying that the story can not possibly be 100% fact. but he certainly did not "invent" electricity. no one did, it's natural.
well that's it. didn't come back on maxconsole for a year and i won't come back again. you can all say good riddance, i'm just saddened to see how mentalities change for the worse as time goes by.

[waldog]

good god...

i stopped following the psp scene and this forum about a year ago. i decided to catch up a bit and this rubbish is what i come across. i think i left the scene at the right time. Either that or i've grown too old to understand these comments. in case you lot haven't realised yet, all the (anti) american comments seem to come from 8 year old retards. dumb people can come from any country, just look at this thread for god's sake. no, i don't believe i'm superior to any race, culture or whatever but i'm certainly not stupid enough to use such a laughable example as "americans invented electricity" to try and prove my superiority. f*cking idiot. Do tell me, did they also invent fire? hurricanes maybe? the human race??? oh and if Mr Franklin really did get hit by lightning with his kite, he'd have died on the spot. i'm not saying he didn't figure out that lightning was electricity, just saying that the story can not possibly be 100% fact. but he certainly did not "invent" electricity. no one did, it's natural.
well that's it. didn't come back on maxconsole for a year and i won't come back again. you can all say good riddance, i'm just saddened to see how mentalities change for the worse as time goes by.

I never said they "invented it" you fucking dumbass. But it was discovered. :rolleyes:

Read the actual quote that I wrote.

So all Americans voted for him? Nope.

And Tell me this - What great has came from your country besides a Subaru and Crocodile Dundee? Nothing. :eek:

What came from America?

Cars - Planes - T.V. - Radio - Electricity - The best Military in the world - N.A.S.A., Much, Much more. Hell, even the pc or mac you're typing on is using software developed in America. The best Architects come from America. :rolleyes:

Maybe your kid is disabled from Karma? They were disabled so more of you wouldn't be around the earth saying/doing bad? How's that feel? Kinda sucks huh? That's the same I feel when you make a statement like what you did.

I'm not heartless though and think all men are equal. And sorry to hear your child is disabled.

BTW: I'm not gonna sit here and debate politics or countries with you. If I wanted to do that - I would join that type of forum.

And your math is off by half. You last visited about 6 months ago. Who's dumb? Maybe your math can tell us that answer.

[JAMESBDX]

oh excuse me, i do apologise. so, if i quote you correctly, electricity came from america. which state was it already? and i think the greeks discovered electricity looooong before anyone else.

oh, and i do apologise for not checking when was my last visit. that is my fault (oooh, look, someone who admits his mistake! what a dumbass he must be!). still, my math says it was a long time ago. actually, i might come back more often on this site to read your posts, i like to have a good laugh.

keep believing your own hype. if it's good for your ego, good for you. there was once another person who also believed that there was a superior race, that every other country and every other person on the planet was beneath him. Luckily enough, he didn't do much harm did he?

edit : just thought i'd add a couple more after reading your original post. you actually do state that you consider all men equal. good. you also ask what came from a person's country apart from crocodile dundee and something else. not good. that's just as ignorant as the "french smell like cheese" comment from the other guy.

[waldog]

keep believing your own hype. if it's good for your ego, good for you. there was once another person who also believed that there was a superior race, that every other country and every other person on the planet was beneath him. Luckily enough, he didn't do much harm did he?

You must not read a WHOLE thread before posting do you? :rolleyes:

[JAMESBDX]

you don't even realise who i'm talking about on my previous post do you? funnily enough, i wasn't attacking you directly at all in my first post. i just stated your electricity comment because it stood out. i just find it sad that people can actually start an argument on such a subject and that other people respond by saying that their country is the best blablabla. i'm half french, half english and i don't give a flying **** where another person is from. that person can be the most interesting person i've ever spoken to or the stupidest person i've ever met, it doesn't matter where he's from

[NakedFaerie]

just to bash a country that could militarily destroy yours (I'm assuming Australia.) in a matter of days.

I guess your an American too. Your too violent not to be.

Americans like to kill things. Look at your history. Civil wars, blacks vs whites, slaves, not a good history there.

Not too smart. I think if the world was going to end it would be America that does it.

Back on topic, what was the topic? Oh, yea the PSP GO and the lamers that posted a fake video.

[JoMacHo]

I guess your an American too. Your too violent not to be.

Americans like to kill things. Look at your history. Civil wars, blacks vs whites, slaves, not a good history there.

Not too smart. I think if the world was going to end it would be America that does it.

Back on topic, what was the topic? Oh, yea the PSP GO and the lamers that posted a fake video.

His country is the best, has great military. Don't spend money on giving free health care or college degrees, instead spend on bombs for killing guys that have oil. Now that's a country with quality. And having Bush instead of Al Gore as president, is beyond explanation.

[Mchief298]

What's the bet your an American? Have to be with a lame reply like that. :D

Who is the worlds biggest dumbass? George Bush. Where does he come from? America.
Do you really think he is smart? If the President of a country is a dumbass and the whole country votes him in multiple times then it kinda explains itself that the whole country is a dumbass.

I've seen on TV American kids at age 8 cant even spell their own names. My disabled kid can spell her name since she was 4.

And only Americans think they are smart.

Stereotypes of all kinds are indeed stupid. It's nice to know that you arrogant retards up in Europe and down in Australia have to bash us with idiocy. We are not the stupidest country in the world. Everyone has their flaws. If you're too blind to realize that, then by all means reply with another hypocritical stereotype, by all means... please..

We ARE, however, the greediest. :/ Also, most selfish, uncaring country. We even kill off our own if we don't like them.

[JoMacHo]

I have to agree with you Mchief298, it is certainly the most greedy country there is. If it doesn't even treat their own, image what it does to others. The problem is that such greed makes the average American ignorant, not stupid. And such ignorance is intolerable on an evolved country. To be educated in the US, you have to be either rich or good at sports, and i doubt a good athlete can have the time to be a better student.
Sure everyone has flaws, but an European that goes to America (maybe Canada not included), notices a certain level of ignorance not seen on most European countries.

[tinman]

instead of being concerned about stereotypes NakedFaerie, maybe you should be concerned about the quality of your gene pool. ;)

I joke, and no country is without flaws.

[waldog]

His country is the best, has great military. Don't spend money on giving free health care or college degrees, instead spend on bombs for killing guys that have oil. Now that's a country with quality. And having Bush instead of Al Gore as president, is beyond explanation.

:confused:

My wife is in college for 4 years paid for by the government (pel grant). They have medicare for the poor. You should try reading about what America really does have instead of guessing so much. :rolleyes:

And bush is president? Sheesh. I guess Obama must be a sub filling in for a year now. :rolleyes:

[JoMacHo]

I'm European, i know there's more beyond my country, and you didn't read that Bush is the actual president (thank God he isn't).
And your wife represents what? 1-2%? How much does it cost in your country to get a son in college without a scholarship?
In my country EVERYONE has the right to free health care, and the costs of going to college are paying for a house, books (if needed) and less than $1000 per year for the college.

EDIT: I know Obama is your president, and can you tell me which one is mine without googling? No, you can't.

[waldog]

I'm European, i know there more beyond my country, and you didn't read that Bush is the actual president (thank God he isn't).
And your wife represents what? 1-2%? How much does it cost in your country to get a son in college without a scholarship?
In my country EVERYONE has the right to free health care, and the costs of going to college are paying for a house, books (if needed) and less than $1000 per year for the college.

EDIT: I know Obama is your president, and can you tell me which one is mine without googling? No, you can't.

I don't care who your president is. I live in USA and care about here. I don't know anything about your people or country. You may have a great country. All of this started from a posting putting down my country. I defended. Now i'm on trial? :rolleyes:

Idk what % my wife is. The point is, if she can do it for free, others can if they try. The cost for my son to go to college depends on the school he chooses.

[JoMacHo]

Exactly my point, Americans just don't care about others. Because if you started to compare with other cultures, only then you'd know there's way too many wrong things with yours.
Let's start with this: "The cost for my son to go to college depends on the school he chooses", well, a good student should have the right to go to the best schools instead of how much he can afford.
I never saw or will see someone get kicked out of a Hospital because he can't afford being there. I watched "Sicko", amazing. Even the meds are 10x more expensive there.
An average European has great quality of life with one job, only met one person that had the need for 2 jobs here.
I can watch TV without seeing boobs censored instead of violence.
My country doesn't invent "Bombs of mass destruction" excuses to steal oil and sell bombs.
Because our military doesn't pick others, we don't have airplanes crashing buildings.
We can choose to be a military without getting ourselves killed.
Most Europeans can speak at least one foreign language (yes, there are others besides english).
Belonging to a country that signed the Kyoto protocol (you didn't even know this existed, did you?).
We don't own a minimum 6 cylinder car with absurd consumption, that's why your cars don't sell well in the rest of the world.
My former president had a brain.
Most European children can point a country on the map which is not their own.
In Europe, we don't give "children" the right to own firearms.
Children can actually go to school without being bullied.
We can walk at night on the street without being rapped or robbed.
Speaking of rapes, in prison here, there are no "bitches", many can continue being heterosexual.
We can legally get drunk at the age of 16, we are not armed and violent morons.
And being civilized as we are, we don't kill each other as often (look at crime rates).

Now, tell me if your country doesn't suck.

[3r14nd]

JoMocho... You said your from Europe... From what I've read you haven't said what country your from.. so with out that information we can't say what President you have.. And if your from Britain then you don't have a president you have a Queen if I'm correct. but, that's my guess.. lol

Now the Bush comment... You must realize that it doesn't matter what the Americans vote for, our vote doesn't mean ****... Our president is elected by congress. They are made up by people on the inside... so we're fucked any which way you look at it. Also the president is just a front man, he's not the one who actually makes the calls. Those people will never be revealed. Which needs to be changed I admit it.

Now the inventions part... We as Americans have invented more things them most countries. It does not mean that we are rich. As a matter of fact most inventors are poor and they put together what they can with what ever they can find at their disposal. We use whatever is at our disposal rather then ***** about not having money to develop things. And we did not get all our money from stealing oil from people... This oil situation just came around in the 90's how the hell did we get along before then? The oil thing is only a recent event not something that defines how we came about or got our money.

The war thing. You said we start all the wars.. e.g The Civil war.. was us fighting because their was big points that split the country in half. A small part of this was slavery. Which is not something that only we did. We bought those slaves from Africa we did not go over there and pull them from their houses and forced them to work for us. We have also fought for our freedom from a country trying to control us.. the British.. We fought another country because they were trying to take over the world. Then the Japan thing, they have attacked us. Vietnam was us fighting for a country that couldn't defend it's self. All of our wars have been valid and had a good reason to fight. The only one that should and is in question is the gulf war. Which I will not argue..

You guys act like we are the stupidest country in the world.. We may be fat and lazy but, we have done more for this world then any other country. The greeks may have discovered electricity first but, were they able to put it to use? No, we have. We have only been around 200 years give or take a few but, we have done more for the world then most countries have. If it's because we are "rich" then that means we have busted our asses to get that wealth. We've been here 200 years how long has your country been here? We have more freedoms and choice then you have and have the ability to change it if needs be.

I'm not saying our country is better then any other.. just the I like what we have and I admit as of late it needs a lot of changing but, to say that we are all dumb that's just straight naive to believe.

We do have a bunch of stupid people here but, all countries have stupid people. We just have quite a few more then most countries. However the stupid does not outweigh the smart.

Whatever I'm done messing around, I just got board so I decided to write this.

Please continue to argue or pic this apart...

[3r14nd]

Exactly my point, Americans just don't care about others. Because if you started to compare with other cultures, only then you'd know there's way too many wrong things with yours.
Let's start with this: "The cost for my son to go to college depends on the school he chooses", well, a good student should have the right to go to the best schools instead of how much he can afford.

I'll agree with you on this one.. both points..


I never saw or will see someone get kicked out of a Hospital because he can't afford being there. I watched "Sicko", amazing. Even the meds are 10x more expensive there.

No hospital in America can or will turn away a patient. They are not allowed. However once you leave you will have a bill you can't afford to pay but, this is where charities come in. I can go to walmart and get just about any med for $4.. That doesn't sound expensive to me.



My country doesn't invent "Bombs of mass destruction" excuses to steal oil and sell bombs.

We didn't invent "Bombs of mass destruction" they were weapons of mass destruction and if you actually paid attention they found plenty of mustard gas which could have wiped out a small country... but, that's not what they were after they were looking for Nuclear weapons and didn't find it but, the WMD's were not made up.


Because our military doesn't pick others, we don't have airplanes crashing buildings.

They did this before our military started picking on them.


We can choose to be a military without getting ourselves killed.

Any military can and will risk their lives or get killed. If you know this is not something that can happen in yours then obviously your country is a bunch of pansies and will not fight for what you believe in. Also the English and most of Europe sent forces into Iraq along side of America, so you need to brush up on your current events.


Most Europeans can speak at least one foreign language (yes, there are others besides english).

That's because you live around most of the countries that speak other languages. Shoot most of them are in Europe. Spanish, French, German, Dutch, English, ect. No wonder why you speak more than one language, Europe can't decide what language to speak. So you have to know them all.


Belonging to a country that signed the Kyoto protocol (you didn't even know this existed, did you?).

I'll give you this one.


We don't own a minimum 6 cylinder car with absurd consumption, that's why your cars don't sell well in the rest of the world.

Well I'm sorry if we like to have power and muscle behind our cars. Something your little 4 bangers will never have. Plus your cars look like they should be in a circus. Someone with my height would never fit in your little ass cars.


My former president had a brain.

I still don't know what country your from so how can I know this?


Most European children can point a country on the map which is not their own.

So can ours... we have world history here.. and it's mandatory to know. Plus you guys have to know where all your inventions are coming from that's why you know where the USA is.


In Europe, we don't give "children" the right to own firearms.

So your saying someone that is 21 is a child? You have to be 21 to own a firearm here... What age do you consider eligible for this? Oh that's right over there in England only Criminals are allowed to have firearms... I forgot no one is allowed to have them.


Children can actually go to school without being bullied.

Uh, no this is a world wide problem.. and if you deny it then your full of crap.


We can walk at night on the street without being rapped or robbed.

IDK what rapped is but raped your right because your all pussies and your wrong people get raped and robbed over there just like here, just not as often.


Speaking of rapes, in prison here, there are no "bitches", many can continue being heterosexual.

This concept is not an American one. Just because your all bi-sexual doesn't mean one of you are not a *****.


We can legally get drunk at the age of 16, we are not armed and violent morons.

Whoa... Your not violent.. I do believe that the Irish are one of the most violent out there esp when drunk.. Also we have never had a stadium get torn down the way they do over in Europe after your teams lose in Soccer.. I mean football. Your just not armed because, you can't be trusted with a gun. Your police have to yell "Stop or I'll yell stop again".


And being civilized as we are, we don't kill each other as often (look at crime rates).

This is because your too drunk to figure out how to kill someone.


Now, tell me if your country doesn't suck.

It doesn't..

That was fun.... I like to do this..

[JoMacHo]

We didn't invent "Bombs of mass destruction" they were weapons of mass destruction and if you actually paid attention they found plenty of mustard gas which could have wiped out a small country... but, that's not what they were after they were looking for Nuclear weapons and didn't find it but, the WMD's were not made up.


Who knows... Maybe they planted it to cover a total disaster excuse.



They did this before our military started picking on them.


Sure, and the arabs are just some nasty guys who started this because they don't like americans ugly faces.



Any military can and will risk their lives or get killed. If you know this is not something that can happen in yours then obviously your country is a bunch of pansies and will not fight for what you believe in. Also the English and most of Europe sent forces into Iraq along side of America, so you need to brush up on your current events.


0 casualties for us. I envy the French and the Germans that told Bush to get screwed when he asked for military help.



That's because you live around most of the countries that speak other languages. Shoot most of them are in Europe. Spanish, French, German, Dutch, English, ect. No wonder why you speak more than one language, Europe can't decide what language to speak. So you have to know them all.


Fair enough...



Well I'm sorry if we like to have power and muscle behind our cars. Something your little 4 bangers will never have. Plus your cars look like they should be in a circus. Someone with my height would never fit in your little ass cars.


How about thinking on pollution? You could learn something from foreign cars.



I still don't know what country your from so how can I know this?


It's right there on my location, that's why i didn't mention it.



So can ours... we have world history here.. and it's mandatory to know. Plus you guys have to know where all your inventions are coming from that's why you know where the USA is.


Bust just as not so well. A country's ability to invent has also to do with it's population size.



So your saying someone that is 21 is a child? You have to be 21 to own a firearm here... What age do you consider eligible for this? Oh that's right over there in England only Criminals are allowed to have firearms... I forgot no one is allowed to have them.


No age actually, you should give weapons only to those who need them, risky professions.



Uh, no this is a world wide problem.. and if you deny it then your full of crap.


Luckily, we don't get anyone go inside a school with a machine gun and start killing colleagues.



IDK what rapped is but raped your right because your all pussies and your wrong people get raped and robbed over there just like here, just not as often.


Not as often. We are not pussies, we just don't solve problems with violence, that's the easy way.



This concept is not an American one. Just because your all bi-sexual doesn't mean one of you are not a *****.


Not having so many rappes in prison, makes the americans bisexual.



Whoa... Your not violent.. I do believe that the Irish are one of the most violent out there esp when drunk.. Also we have never had a stadium get torn down the way they do over in Europe after your teams lose in Soccer.. I mean football. Your just not armed because, you can't be trusted with a gun. Your police have to yell "Stop or I'll yell stop again".


Yet a drunken Ireland can have less crime than the US. No wonder you're not allowed to drink. As for the cops, you're right, lol.



This is because your too drunk to figure out how to kill someone.


It is more honorable to be a drunk than a murderer.

[sens8]

WTF is going on here? Best I stay out of it. Any mods here? lol

[MaxMouseDLL]

lol... you're all trolling each other in epic proportions... if anyone on the interwebz mutters the comment "American's hu? ain't they as dumb as a block of wood?!" it invariably starts a weapons grade **** storm of which nothing good can come.

I contributed to this in it's early stages, only in fun... pointing out stereotypical viewpoints of populations, including my own (England)... i wish i hadn't.

and NakedFaerie i strongly suggest you watch your racial slurs:


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Your hardly qualified to question the intelligence of anyone from any race or creed.

[B2K24]

and NakedFaerie i strongly suggest you watch your racial slurs:

Your hardly qualified to question the intelligence of anyone from any race or creed.

I can't believe NF is still posting even after SilverSpring had to post and own him on these boards man that was epic.
Anyone still have the link to that? I forgot now which thread it was LOL

[Zeta_S2K]

Crap!! I was looking for info of CFM and PSP go, but Instead, I found bull s....!! Naked bull s....!!

Not again!!

Please stick to the topic!!

[Mathieulh]

how the hell this could transform on such a drama fest ? If the flaming goes on I will have no other choice than to close this thread. You have been warned.

[3r14nd]

how the hell this could transform on such a drama fest ? If the flaming goes on I will have no other choice than to close this thread. You have been warned.

But it was soooooo fun! Oh well life goes on and people will continue to act immature.. I'm sure I'm included in that this time..

[MaxMouseDLL]

how the hell this could transform on such a drama fest ? If the flaming goes on I will have no other choice than to close this thread. You have been warned.

Math, just close the damn thread... it's nearly 3 pages of idiocy and the original topic is a moot point as nothing is going to be released.

[keedier]

Math, just close the damn thread... it's nearly 3 pages of idiocy and the original topic is a moot point as nothing is going to be released.

hey at least i found out jamesbdx is still reading this forums, :)

anyway, moving on.

[MaxMouseDLL]

I can't believe NF is still posting even after SilverSpring had to post and own him on these boards man that was epic.
Anyone still have the link to that? I forgot now which thread it was LOL

Actually, he got "owned" by a few people, myself included, since this thread has taken a dive, no harm in me posting a large comment hu? here are a few choice excerpts from *that* particular thread:


WTF? I have an exploit that works with the PSP GO. I expect it to be the same one that FreePlay is posting about so why should I tell people what it is? If FreePlay doesn't want to say coz he doesn't want $ony to find out then I'm not gonna say anything either.

And if you read my other posts lately even if I was allowed to post it I wouldn't as I think you guys suck atm and why should I help you out?


tl;dr: Proof or it didn't happen.

I think you're speaking bull (and insulting my intelligence).. even if you aren't, you're seriously damaging your credibility, Freeplay can get away with this kind of thing because of his previous (verified) work in several key areas and status in the scene, all you have to back your mouth up is flames, both from you and directed at you (I can post examples, as you well know, i have been involved in those threads, mostly from a neutral stand point (Trying to calm you down, explaining human nature, the nature of the scene, asking you to release your work etc), although i believe i was involved in at least one heated thread with you as the subject), and an alleged "patch" for 5.55 games which you first refused to release on moral grounds (You where flamed, which seemed to hurt you personally) then you stated you "forgot" how you did it, you don't stand high on anyone's rankings as per "the scene", in fact you currently stand with the fake firmware/application releasers, only you're more vocal and get hurt on a personal level more easily by criticism (Whole heartedly, justifiable I may add)

If you have an exploit, great, don't post about it unless you're willing to elaborate or contribute in some way, same goes for your work on your alleged patch. Right now you're somewhere between all out faker and attention-whore in my books (Obtuse: above comment on stance)

I'll call you out:

Submit your work/source/theories/methods to someone who is an active, high ranking scene member (I can direct you toward several) who would be willing to verify your work.
Do your work and release a youtube video demonstration (without key stages, to hide your methods from appropriate parties if you feel such action is necessary)
Do so, within 10 days

If you do not, then live with and accept your status as a fake, "I forgot" and "I cannot release" is not an excuse. If for some reason you do not do the above then you will be tagged by myself and everyone else who reads this forum as an attention seeking scene-whore, like it or not, that is your own doing.

Sorry, but look at the facts Vs results (IE: posts (Many) Vs releases (Slim to none))

</rant>

Edit(and I'm sorry for picking you up again, but I'm curious): You know the current (Eternal.. lol) Windows Vs Linux(/Any other OS you want to mention) war(s/arguments)? Linux (Insert other OS here) supporters tend to post "Micro$oft" or the like. It simply makes them look like a newbie or a nieve moron, almost amateurish/child like.. why would you post "$ony"? as if to mock their developmental departments? Sony clearly have better hardware and software developers than anyone in this scene (Including you, easily) and (arguably) some of the best in the professional industry. Why do you (and anyone, because you aren't the only one) post "$ony" instead of Sony?

Edit2: Wow that's a lot of brackets, brackets within brackets etc... been coding for around 16 hours... guess it does affect you..

MaxMouseDLL = Drink(Tea(Stir(Mug(Water(Mug_Maximum_Content * 0.82, Temp(97.7)) + Bag + (Sugar * 2) + Milk(Mug_Maximum_Content - (Mug_Maximum_Content * 0.95) * 0.18, Temp(3.98))))
I'm going to go to sleep now lol.. night all..


The real question is "what's the point in an exploit that cannot be released anyway ?" I mean if it is released sony will fix it in less than 24hrs, so why even talk about it ?

Also NakedFearie and Freeplay right now (on this pspgo exploit related thing) are at the same level, basically, vaporware (as in they claim to have an exploit but have nothing to backup their claims) though I agree that Freeplay is a lot more credible than NakedFearie on that xD

The only reason I would talk or show a video of an exploit I would not intent to release is for fame (which is why I never did this at all), beside the fact that Freeplay has an exploit does not mean he is the author of it (though a user exploit is fairly easy to come up with, not that it has any usefulness anyway).

As for NakedFaerie claiming that he has a so called exploit, who bother ? Nobody is ever going to believe him anyway, if he does have one and wants to prove it, good for him, if not, why care at all ? If a faker claimed to have something I would just let him get himself deeper into his own mess and wait to see how many people laugh at his face xD

Finally about the pspgo, I would say that sony engineers finally did their job (though they could have done better) on the 6.00 kernel and it is going to be hard to find any useful kernel exploit in this one, I would advise people still on 5.70 not to update if possible (as there might at least one exploitable bug in there, (there is at least one in 5.51). As I do not own a psp go myself I am afraid I can't test it in there, not that I care much about it anyway. People who want exploitable psps should really go for psp-1000 or 2000 those are quite cheap nowaday.


If that was true then why don't they release it. If they have no interest then they wont care if they crack it or not. $ony also wont care as look at all the people saying they will buy one when its cracked so if a CFW for the GO comes out a lot of people will buy one and $ony will say thanks for all those sales.

Why keep it private? That's like making an awesome game and not letting anyone play it. WHY? What a waste of time doing it in the first place. Either do it and release it or put effort into something else.

Pandora was always going to be released but they were waiting for the right time. They were waiting for the release of the slim and some moron released it early as you said for money. That's why it got released early.

As for the GO's hacks, what are they waiting for now? As the GO is out now is the time to release it. Well, probably finish testing it first then release it. :)


You really have absolutely no idea (as it seems with most people of this so-called 'scene').

Firstly, Sony don't make money from console sales (that's NOT how the console industry works, unlike the PC industry) and in fact early on in the consoles life Sony actually make a loss per each unit sold. Their profits come from licensing from games (and accessories). Sony price their console based on estimates of how many games/accessories would be bought per unit console sold. So their profits come from the ratio of games sold per console sold, a high ratio of say 10 games per console means higher profits.

PIRACY COMPLETELY DESTROYS THIS MODEL

Since it drives up console sales while at the same time decreasing game sales meaning the game/console ratio goes plummeting down.

Secondly, the devs in the scene hack the psp as a hobby. To say what they do is "a waste of time" is insulting, and frankly ignorant. Devs do things for themselves only, for fun. You ask "why keep it private?" the proper question is "why even make it public?". People should be grateful devs are willing to share with the public their own creations rather than feeling entitled to it (like they do with DA's cfw).


A few things to point out.

1, I have always said a video without a release is in the same class as fake thats why I didn't really care for FreePlays video. Yea, its good that a few exploits still work but if he isn't going to release it then why post it in the first place.

2, As FreePlay and Mathieulh have both said if I say what game it is then $ony will just patch it overnight so why say?

If you want to know ask FreePlay for it and I will say if its the same or not. If its a different game I have then I will say after he does but that means the exploit wont last the night so it'll be a waste of time saying what it is.

3, just coz I'm a nobody doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. I've been in the PSP scene since the start and I've learned a fair few things and I have an idea how to do things. I just wanted help from others who do actually know a little more than me. That doesn't say I'm a noob or anything I just didn't want to take weeks on learning a few things I don't already know before I finally get to do what I want.
I am determined to do what I say without the help of anyone as it looks like nobody really cares for the DEVs no matter how small they are.

What if I'm the next to make a CFW then what? Are you all going to abuse me then? I bet you all will be kissing my ass to get it. FAT CHANCE of me ever releasing anything now. If you want a video I can do that but remember I will NEVER release anything now. It'll be all internal releases from now on.

Why am I even trying to explain myself to all these haters?

Where have I ever said I am a full on dev like DA? I never did. I've always said I'm a little hacker with a little experience that wants help from others that know things I don't. Not everyone knows everything like DA. Even Math probably doesn't so are you gonna abuse him?


You really have no idea how the scene works.

Devs share with each other all the time and help one another all the time. You'd be surprised most things behind the scenes are shared with one another. Code and tools are shared around with those that can contribute back. If you've got nothing to contribute don't expect to receive anything.

You complain that no one helps you. No one helps you because you haven't shown that you are able to help others, I have not seen a single technical or dev related post from you yet you expect help from other devs. If you were really serious you would show what you were capable of then people would take you seriously. You need to help yourself before you expect to receive help from others. That means, at the very least, learn how to code.

Also, your attitude won't get you very far. You displayed all the classic signs of a lame faker:
- talk up big about something amazing you created.
- got flamed because you got no proof.
- then declared you are never releasing because of said flaming.

This same sequence of events has happened plenty of times in the psp scene with fakers trying to make a name for themselves. And that is exactly what I suspect in your case, you are clearly motivated by fame (just count the number of times you've threatened to make something and not release it out of spite). You say you hate the people on this board and they don't deserve anything (not least something you have created) yet you keep coming back (which is another classic sign). Plus you keep dodging questions on your technical abilities (eg. even coming up with a simple 'hello world'). Just how old are you really? I'd be surprised if you were even 16 judging from your immaturity (perhaps 14 or 15 even).

If you've got the skill and talent to do something, just do it. Stop with all your drama already.


PS. Please forgive the long post.

Still no video, or any sign of any work worth anything... His 10 day deadline to prove himself has long since passed and i now consider him exactly as i originally posted "If for some reason you do not do the above then you will be tagged by myself and everyone else who reads this forum as an attention seeking scene-whore, like it or not, that is your own doing." if someone had called me out to that degree and i couldn't produce, i would be hanging my head in shame... the guy is a total fucking idiot... but... meh... it's entertainment isn't it?!

[Mathieulh]

All can say is no psp developer I know of (and I mostly know them all) ever heard or cared about NakedFaerie and any kind of so called work he might have provided. Beside the real legit devs are the ones that brag the less about their discoveries. (or at least so my experience told me). You would be surprise of how much finding has been done behind the scenes and how far devs can go with them.

The global scene would have gone a lot further if people did not bite the hands that fed them.

Now developers are a lot of more apprehensive regarding releasing any of their work to the public, and to be honest, being one of them, I don't blame them at all.

[MaxMouseDLL]

You would be surprise of how much finding has been done behind the scenes and how far devs can go with them.

That's the nature of the scene in almost all console homebrew communities, i quite like it, especially when i get the chance to be even slightly involved in "covert beta testing/research" lol... the kind of conversation that goes like this "Ok, test this, see if you can duplicate my results, but for Christ sake! don't publish your findings or distribute this until we pin down[...]-yadda-yadda" it's great :)


The global scene would have gone a lot further if people did not bite the hands that fed them.

You think people are biting the hands that feed them? i think it's just normal human nature.. this is what happens when you get a large enough user base, global corporations are the same, Microsoft (Windows) gets slammed by Linux (Insert other mainstream OS here) users for various reasons... but ultimately it's all nonsense... A few developers understand this and rise above it.

[JoMacHo]

What do you mean windows gets slammed from other OSs? I think it's quite the opposite, m$ has a OS that is more unstable than many others, and yet, they can have almost everyone using theirs, even when the competition is free of charge. They can sell a copy of their OS on almost every laptop sold.

[MaxMouseDLL]

What do you mean windows gets slammed from other OSs? I think it's quite the opposite, m$ has a OS that is more unstable than many others, and yet, they can have almost everyone using theirs, even when the competition is free of charge. They can sell a copy of their OS on almost every laptop sold.

Classic example of slamming MS, you even use the childlike dollar sign in "MS"... Doesn't it tell you something that the fact most people (People... standard users) would rather PAY for an operating system than use something as overly complicated as linux (for example), the standard user doesn't give a flying-**** about ports, or what services are running or what runlevel they are at, they don't want to know about root or user access levels, they don't want to mount a drive, they just want to check their facebook, email and watch their shoe fetish pornography.. (err.. that's just me then?), they want their computer to turn on and do what they want it to do, maybe if linux turned itself into an actual business and became a player in the market instead of pussying around peddling open source from it's pedestal more people would run it, but it seems happy sitting in the side lines grumbling about how Windows totally crushes it in the user market.

Stability? i run both linux and windows servers, locally and remotely... I've noticed no trend leaning toward one OS or the other in terms of stability.


http://www.maxconsole.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24715&stc=1&d=1258563253 http://www.maxconsole.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24714&stc=1&d=1258563250 http://www.maxconsole.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24716&stc=1&d=1258563314 http://www.maxconsole.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24717&stc=1&d=1258563406
Those are graphs from some of our web servers (Based on analysis of 46,871, +/- 10,000 hits per server, the hits are unique)... see how linux is represented? no one (users) run it, because it's not a viable desktop solution... not one single distribution is, the graph is exactly the same no matter which of our servers i look at, and hits that generate that graph come from all over the planet (with servers in varied geographical locations, In the above examples from a server in the US, one in Poland, one in Moldova and one in the UK) proving this is a general consensus not a local one

... Anyway, i digress... I won't get involved any further than this in an OS choice argument, people run windows... it's simple, I'm angry at myself for being sucked in this far...

[ThreeDog]

Wow, How the hell do people manage to turn a thread about the PSP Go into a continental/racial epeen contest and then into an OS war?

I'm all tired now from swinging the temporary plasma banhammer, please keep the thread on topic or at least free of racial garbage and it'll stay open.
(Unless one of the other mods decides otherwise ;))

[manias]

This is what happens when nothin happens for ages in the psp scene ;)

[B2K24]

Thanks Max for the new sig :P

[MaxMouseDLL]

Thanks Max for the new sig :P

You're welcome.

and...


Wow, How the hell do people manage to turn a thread about the PSP Go into a continental/racial epeen contest and then into an OS war?

I'm all tired now from swinging the temporary plasma banhammer, please keep the thread on topic or at least free of racial garbage and it'll stay open.
(Unless one of the other mods decides otherwise ;))

lol.. sorry, I'm disappointed in myself for getting suckered into that one.. i even backed my post up with (screen shot) statistics..... that's sad lol...

There isn't anything of further interest to add to this thread anyway, it may be a good idea to close it.


This is what happens when nothin happens for ages in the psp scene ;)

Yes... it is.. oh well..

[sens8]

So I guess I want to ask... How do we as a community get together and try to rebuild. From what im understanding "Bite the hand that feeds you" "You brought this on yourselves" Is pointing to piracy. Could a forum like Maxconsole stay exclusive to future exploits by everyone here come to an understanding that any piracy talk,links support of it .etc is strictly prohibited and will result in a ban. However it is so global... the community. And one group suffers because of others.. unless your in the know or part of that group.I would assume that some threads on this very forum need to be deleted.. aka game decrypter. What do we do now? How do we get the trust from dev's back. Some of the releases like the CF add on for hen have been brought on by other dev's. So the first is acknowledgment that its true. I guess this question is more for Mathieulh: What would dev's want from us the user base to do about it now. I just don't think it will stop other users/dev's to use -create piracy. So as a community here at maxconsole what can we do to be part of that elite user base where we have the trust of the dev's? Becoming a dev myself.. becoming a skilled programmer is not an option for me... lets just say I just don't have what it takes. As I see things now, Only top notch dev's that are in the know may have access to these exploits and rightfully are not interested to share as stated many times. What are the options?
And please anyone that wants to add anything please comment. IF anyone wants a change and or has some ideas about making maxconsole piracy free reply with your comments. Be it how people register to maxconsole where its an invite only etc. I think we all need to step back and realize that things have changed and we need to go with the flow or we will be left out of what could have been.
Thanks

[dim33]

I suspect that the reason certain key devs have withdrawn is to do with the amount of work involved and dwindling interest from a technical perspective.

It can't be much fun producing say a 6.10 cfw (given the effort involved) that will ostensibly add nothing to 5.50 Gen-D2. And especially so if you have been producing cfws for a while that on the whole don't really add anything to the previous version.

M33 effectively fixed everything that needed fixing (even to the extent of speeding up the MS access) except for the TA-88v3 and 3000 series. So where's the motivation to keep going? And now GEN even sorted their cfw so it can play the latest games.

I'm not convinced that piracy is the spanner in the dev's works. From the minute ISOs could be copied there was piracy, but development did not stop until years after this. It may provide a convenient moral reason for stopping (not that any reason is actually needed) and is more easily understood than "I just can't be bothered to do this, I have a life to live and there are no real advances worth striving for."

[sens8]

Thats a good point, however I think we are talking about the psp go an un exploited device. And you now have a new user base for that small handheld which is alot more portable. Most people that I have talked to and this includes me as well... I got it because it is much more portable. And have a nice library of games that now has filled up my storage :) The new OFW provide a great advantage over say 5.0. Save state.. an app installer for programs like senseME, the new comic app in 6.20 and who knows whats to come. A real important part of games is to be able to play online.. which now is striped from us, because you have to sign into your ps account and with out the latest OFW if your in CFW its a no go. But that may be a small price to pay for what you get with CFW. However the point being is that were really talking about the go.... In which if your already on a CFW with the V1 psp 2000 + and all the 1000 versions you can always run M33 in test drive mode and not miss the new features. It's a different story for this new model thats missing homebrew. And we have dev's that have reasons to believe we brought this on our own, therefore we are where we are.

[Mathieulh]

The "don't bite the hand that feeds you" comment is about several things, piracy being one of them, but there are others such as ungrateful people spitting on our work, and thinking we owe them something, or people and company making profit over the work we distributed for free (and that was meant to stay that way) etc etc (the list is quite long) In the end we got tired of this massive lack respect from a majority of users/sceners and we decided to give up (or at least a lot of us did, even if it just meant stoping the distribution of our work publically). That and of an increasing lack of interest on the psp, I guess you get the picture.

When sharing our work becomes more of a hassle than keeping it to ourselves, the choice becomes obvious.

[dim33]

........but there are others such as ungrateful people spitting on our work, and thinking we owe them something, or people and company making profit over the work we distributed for free.................Yes indeed. The lack of gratitude always astonished me. That together with the fact that it was completely expected and taken for granted by most users that a cfw would shortly follow an ofw release.

I remember this being particularly bad after the release of 3.80 before 3.80 M33 was released. There were posts with comments like "where the hell is it" and "what are you guys playing at, it's taking forever". I'm surprised M33 didn't stick two fingers up at the PSP scene there and then.

However, I'm not sure about the development of exploits/tools remaining behind closed doors. There seems little point. It's a bit like a great actor refusing to go on stage or make a film, prefering instead just to act by himself in his living room.

[sens8]

Thanks for the reply Mathieulh. I really wished what you described would have never happend. I can see the frustration and I personally have not done anything in the scene and its disgusting to see all of your dev's work sold for profit. Add to Ungreatfull bastards etc. I wish things would have been different.. and so that continues to be my wish. I guess we can't change whats been done and don't know what we could do to repair it. However I respect you.. the rest of the dev's decision and wish for a brighter future in which ever way things change.. hopefully for the better. I been a long time maxconsole member for a long time and you can tell by my topic reply's that there are not many. Im not a person of many words. I just feel now that we really made things hard for you guys maybe not ungreatfull but expecting something... for that I am guilty and can't speak for others. As everyone really knows themselves better than I would.

[Mathieulh]

Yes indeed. The lack of gratitude always astonished me. That together with the fact that it was completely expected and taken for granted by most users that a cfw would shortly follow an ofw release.

I remember this being particularly bad after the release of 3.80 before 3.80 M33 was released. There were posts with comments like "where the hell is it" and "what are you guys playing at, it's taking forever". I'm surprised M33 didn't stick two fingers up at the PSP scene there and then.

However, I'm not sure about the development of exploits/tools remaining behind closed doors. There seems little point. It's a bit like a great actor refusing to go on stage or make a film, prefering instead just to act by himself in his living room.

On the contrary there is every point to that, it HAS to be done behind closed doors because sony could otherwise just pop in and grab whatever development has been done and close the exploits prior release or close to it. And yes people from sony or ip addresses from sony have been spotted on various development resources such as ps2dev or lan.st just to name a few. Beside considering how scarce kernel exploits are so far, people who found them have every reason to keep them private.

[sens8]

woohoo... there is hope :D

[Ooops]

@MaxMouseDLL, about Windows ease of use and stability:

The guy obviously talked about desktop OS, not server OS.

You surely know pretty well that an OS stability heavily depends on either it's managed and hardened by a competent sysadmin in a managed environment or just used by the average person.

As for the ease of use you surely also know about the eternal tradeoff between unsecure / unstable / easy to use and secure / stable / complex to use.

AFAIK only Apple has succeeded into delivering an quite easy to use, secure and stable desktop OS. You also know that's UNIX inside not NT, that MacOS users don't need to be more IT-educated than Windows ones and what would be the consequences of a desktop OS market dominated by UNIX instead of NT.

But yeah, funny thread indeed.

[Illegal Machine]

these devs want 100% submissive gratitude and it's simply never going to happen.


the fact is that they always focus on the negative posts that people make and never bother to notice that the other half f the posts are asskissing praises to their glory



if anyone thinks that they'll get EVERYONE to be happy and nice about everything then they're stupid because some people will have issues with the software, or hardware, and they'll post negatively, and then there's the people who simply have bad attitudes.



this is why devs who cry about being treated badly are fuckbags and need to grow up.. Maybe if they spent less time in front of a comp being a dork, and more time getting laid and making real friends in the real world they'll see that people are they way that they are.

[00WReX]

I tend to agree with Illegal Machine's sentiment.

For every person that moans or constantly requests updates there would be a hundred who are very thankful & appreciative and consider themselves lucky that dev's are providing their work for us.

Any dev that does not realise this is not living in the real world.
As Illegal Machine indicated, you are not going to have 100% of people praising you constantly...

Obviously it is up to the dev's as to what they do, and I appreciate everything that has been released to date (Custom firmwares & homebrew's alike).
I have seen everything unfold in the PSP scene since the start and still believe there are many thousands of PSP users that would appreciate any further updates should they be released...I don't think the PSP scene is dead just yet...

[Mathieulh]

these devs want 100% submissive gratitude and it's simply never going to happen.


the fact is that they always focus on the negative posts that people make and never bother to notice that the other half f the posts are asskissing praises to their glory



if anyone thinks that they'll get EVERYONE to be happy and nice about everything then they're stupid because some people will have issues with the software, or hardware, and they'll post negatively, and then there's the people who simply have bad attitudes.



this is why devs who cry about being treated badly are fuckbags and need to grow up.. Maybe if they spent less time in front of a comp being a dork, and more time getting laid and making real friends in the real world they'll see that people are they way that they are.

The "fuckbags" achieve more than you can do, they also unlike what you imply do have a social life, the problem is not that a small amount of people threat us or our work like ****, it is that a majority of people do so, and yes we have been around for more than enough time to notice the proportions between the people that praise and the people that threat us like ****.

[3r14nd]

@Mathieulh

threat != treat

lol

Just messing with ya.. don't take it personal...

[dim33]

This is a great debate, but the only reason there is so much time for philosophy is because nothing is happening in the PSP scene.

Or at least nothing that I am aware of, but naturally I don't dare ask what the status is re new potential developments for fear of being lynched and then told to sod off!

[subcon959]

I think it's the PSPs fault for lasting so long. Usually the homebrew scene fizzles out because the hardware becomes obsolete, but in this case it's the hardware that has outlasted the scene.

I'm surprised that there aren't any newer gen handhelds yet. It seems like a prime opportunity for someone to swoop in with a kickass release and take the lead in the market. GameGear 2 anyone? Atari Lynx 3?

[sens8]

If rumors are true, than a psp2 may be out next year.

[MaxMouseDLL]

these devs want 100% submissive gratitude and it's simply never going to happen.

That does ring true, to a certain degree...


[...]the problem is not that a small amount of people threat us or our work like ****, it is that a majority of people do so[...]

The majority of people do not treat you, or your work like ****... come on man, wtf?! have you been focusing on the bad? or is it that the people that do appreciate and are thankful for your work are not vocal enough?

[TM74]

That does ring true, to a certain degree...



The majority of people do not treat you, or your work like ****... come on man, wtf?! have you been focusing on the bad? or is it that the people that do appreciate and are thankful for your work are not vocal enough?

QFT! The majority of people enjoying your work are just silent readers, like me. Don't listen to a handful of dumba**es criticising...

Greetings from Germany!

[subcon959]

Maybe it's all just become a bit too high profile now and people are too scared to release things?

Let's face it, times are changing and the catch net is widening. The Man has gone after torrent sites in a big way and could easily take on homebrew authors.

[MaxMouseDLL]

QFT![...]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QFT - heh, you learn something new every day...

[TM74]

heh, you learn something new every day...

I used the term for "Quantitative feedback theory", of course :p

[xxsnipexx]

Well those emulators are sick.....but has their been any development or idea to dump the Go nand and or IPL?

Would dumping the Go nand/IPL be the same as normal psp's? or has some hardware changed?

I would love to open that and have a peek :)

[Illegal Machine]

I want a go, but only if it has CFW on it..


otherwise Fcuk it

[linkboy]

I remember back in the Dreamcast days the exact same thing happening that's happened in the PSP scene.

A lot of developers stopped making their programs because of stupid people acting like demanding little tards and getting pissed when something wasn't released. Take Dreamsnes (the DC port of SNES9x), it had a lot of potential, project was killed.

Mathieulh, I really want to thank you guys for your CFWs. If it wasn't for those, I would have gotten rid of my PSP a long time ago. My PSP is pretty much a portable Playstation. That's all I use it for and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[tinman]

Freeplay released the exploit and files since Sony patched it in 6.20 and on the PSN. The game used was Archer Maclean's Mercury.


I told you it wasn't fake, but some of you still didn't believe me.

Get it: http://f6y.ath.cx/pspdev/mercury.zip

You need firmware 6.10 or below, and the game of course. The exploit was patched in 6.20, and the PSN version of the game was updated to require 6.20.

The eLoader isn't happening at all unless I can get a 6.10 firmware dump from the Go, which this exploit can't do. It would probably be best to wait until an XMB-based exploit comes along... game-based exploits are too easy to block.

Via: Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDRlGHb6BSs)

[subcon959]

Freeplay released the exploit and files since Sony patched it in 6.20 and on the PSN. The game used was Archer Maclean's Mercury.

Archer Maclean, that name brings back some fond memories of IK+

[B2K24]

Makes you wonder if he never made a video would Sony have patched anything?

[VagrantWalker]

Makes you wonder if he never made a video would Sony have patched anything?
It doesn't really matter as it was only a user expliot anyway... Makes me question how they found what game it was though, unless someone said something, it must have took some dedication to match what little was shown to the entire PSP catalogue...

[MaxMouseDLL]

Freeplay released the exploit and files since Sony patched it in 6.20 and on the PSN. The game used was Archer Maclean's Mercury.



Via: Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDRlGHb6BSs)

****... Freeplay released it and Sony patched it? how long did it take Sony?

[sens8]

****... Freeplay released it and Sony patched it? how long did it take Sony?

Nah... Sony patched it and freeplay decides to release it. Lol A little late.

[muddin2deep]

This really does suck all i want is the ability to play my friggin emulators. Like stated before by someone else i am one of the silent ones who sit back and enjoy the work that others have done and really appriciate the work they do! Its sad that a couple of people get butt hurt on here and act like little babies that have nothing better to do than demand **** and make fun of other peoples countries! But with all that said thank you to all the people that still try to make this scene work, and a big FU to the people who talk **** but dont back it up....

[RnSK]

As an adult with children the ages of many of the posters and readers here, and a professional software developer...I find this debate to be completely and utterly silly.

Follow along, if you will.

Davee and the lads seem to work under an interesting premise: only they have a check on morality and honesty...even tho the work they've done isn't sanctioned in any way.

No need to go down the laundry list of your "right" to do with what you own what you wish; I was reading such things before many of you were born....and I'm going to get back to it, anyway.

So. Some 'bad' people used the previous versions of this software to make "ISO loaders" and thus and so, are responsible for PSP piracy, etc.

Really now?

Let's look at this another way:

I know people that have these things called Compact Discs, or "CDs" if you will. You buy them in the store and you can play the music on them in CD Players. Many of these people also have iPods, PSPs, Mobile Phones that can play music...but none of these things can play CDs...so they routinely "rip" them and put the files onto their myriad players to enjoy them. Pop the CDs on the shelf and you know, keep them.

"But wait" you say..."that is TOTALLY DIFFERENT!"....but is it? Much of what is on CD is also available already in digital download format. You can just buy the stuff ready to go.

"But I already did!"

I agree. So we are fine with ripping our CDs and placeshifting them. It is an everyday part of life. It is what we do...even though the same music is often available in digital formats for purchase."

Sometimes though, some people that do this actually give their stuff away on the Internet and people download it. It is a problem...but oddly no one really seems to believe that it is such a problem that not being able to have this perfectly legitimate option should be wiped from the face of the Earth...certainly no one sane and with one of the aforementioned digital audio devices.

I also know people that buy movies and television shows on these shiny discs as well...and these things don't actually fit into any of the things they carry around, either. I know, right?

What is worse is that they are really finicky when it comes to scratches and there is nothing more off-putting that having a movie start screeching and getting blocky. Not to mention that they often cost more than the damned music discs and you don't even watch them anywhere NEAR as much as you listen to your music collection!

But not to fear...these people are covered, too. They can "rip" their videos and joyfully tote them around to enjoy on tiny screens everywhere. Heck, some of them can even hook their hoojamabobs up to a tv at a friend's place and watch on a bigger screen. Which is good, because some people just don't need to be that close to you and your stuff. You know what I'm talkin' about...soap escapes them...stuff gets 'dropped by mistake'...that guy.

Sometimes though, some people that do this actually give their stuff away on the Internet and people download it. It is a problem...but oddly no one really seems to believe that it is such a problem that not being able to have this perfectly legitimate option should be wiped from the face of the Earth...certainly no one sane and with one of the aforementioned digital video devices.

Now. For some people...digital entertainment titles seem to...be...not...like this. There is NO WAY IN HELL anyone is "really" ripping their own stuff...no sir...nope. This is impossible. Why would anyone have a "legitimate" reason to want to use a digital copy of a physical piece of entertainment *they already own*?!?! It is "all lies"...all "crazy talk"...it isn't happening.

Ok..ok...so maybe if *some* people really do this for legit reasons ("Yeah right. Just admit it" is the retort) SOME PEOPLE (how many is determined by what side of the debate you are one and how much hyperbole you want to weave in...) most certainly are not legit in any way...and they suck/are bad/kill kittens/are villainous scum/etc.

The question is...so what? Or to put it another way: if The Rule of Life was "someone would be forbidden from having something because someone that had it would misuse it" then NO ONE would have ANYTHING.

Do you really believe this is a rational way of thinking or a sound argument? Should *no one*...*ever*...be allowed to rip their own stuff because some of them *will* give it away?

Remember...I write software for a living. It is an issue that I've had to learn to live with...and it wasn't hard after a couple of years, because as much as it sometimes costs to produce software, those costs are much, much less than they would be for traditional manufacturing of physical things. It is an advantage, that carries with it a balancing opposite that I learned way back when I started in the late 80s/early 90s: "Every customer has the potential to become a competitor."

The really *neato* part tho about this particular debacle was something Davee posted over on M for Mature...an oddly-named site given some of what goes on there, heheh...and THAT was he made the video folks have been moaning over as a bit of "revenge" against people that expanded the HEN stuff to load iso images.

Now...while I know it is S.O.P. to prostrate before these young men for their contributions and attack the "bad" people...just know that because of what I mentioned before...YOU ARE one of the "bad people" because you aren't the author; YOU don't have the morality or discipline to not abuse the technology by playing "stolen" games or using unlicensed IP that the software authors are still selling, even in digital format for you to LEGITIMATELY BUY...you know, people like Sega.

There is no logic, rhyme or reason to this. Stop arguing with each other over what others have decided to lord over you.

If you buy something...you shouldn't be prevented from fully enjoying it because someone wants to sell you the same thing in a different box.

You also shouldn't be accused of being disingenuous about wanting such a thing when someone shows it to you...doing something that oddly appears to be the kind of thing they say YOU would be doing "for evil".

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt tho. Too bad they don't think as much of you, huh?

-K

[NakedFaerie]

...

-K

Well said. I'm not going to quote it as its way too long to have 2 copies of it on the one page.

I have to agree 100%.
Has everyone in the PSP scene forgotten about music, movies, tv shows and all the other stuff that gets pirated?
Did they forget about tapes and records that they dubbed back in the day or are they all too young to remember that?

I bet all those people complaining about piracy have a big collection of music, movies and tv shows that they don't own so how can they complain about games piracy when they do themselves?

There is nobody out there that has never copied something. Everybody is a pirate one way or another.

[opiate81]

Be a pirate I am... arrrrrrrrr
http://www.jenniferfallon.com.au/blog/enclosures/Image/yoda_pirate.jpg

coz I have scabies, a wooden leg and a sea-hag.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_j_edopcw6H8/SrGCcATDCMI/AAAAAAAAA5c/YGjwHvodytA/sea%20hag%203_thumb%5B14%5D.jpg

[noir_dreams]

The reason any of these hacks are not really being released has nothing to do with these peoples morals. They are all game hacks and they know Sony will stop them in minutes that's all.

It would be awesome to be able to use some emulators on my pspgo but if nothing will ever REALLY work ah well in the end. I'll get over it

[RnSK]

The reason any of these hacks are not really being released has nothing to do with these peoples morals. They are all game hacks and they know Sony will stop them in minutes that's all.

It would be awesome to be able to use some emulators on my pspgo but if nothing will ever REALLY work ah well in the end. I'll get over it

...had the author of this particular one not stated otherwise :)

[acekingspade]

i find it regrettable that the psp scene has come to this as of late.
developers such as Davee really need to think about why he does his work on the psp, which i guess is as a hobby and purely out of interest.
but what does he stand to gain from not releasing the 6.10 HEN? "revenge" against us psp users? i would imagine he spend days if not weeks on this and it is really a waste to just use his work for this purpose.

however, i believe that it will still be released in the end by him if not other devs.

[djkatarat]

yep sad.

my psp go is still in the box. looking forward to the day when i can play mystical ninja or donkey kong country on the psp go:)

[infinity2005]

The argument for 'backups' is bullshit and i don't know why you'd need to write so much to explain so little. Firstly theres no reason you'd need to back up umds anyway, and if we are actually realistic instead of making stupid hypothetical situations of legit usage how many people will actually use the hack for reasons other than pirating? You can argue "YEAH BUT YOU 'COULD' USE IT ONLY FOR LEGAL THINGS!" as much as you like but we all know full well that isn't what is happening. You try and make it sound as if its only a small number of users pirating when its more likely the complete opposite.

I'm hardly against piracy but some of these justifications is fucking stupid and its not some independent developers responsibility to give you the possibility to make 'backups'.

[Illegal Machine]

fact is:

when you go to warez sited then you see how many people are pirating and distributing from THAT SITE.. I've seen threads where people post ISOS and they have hundreds of thousands of views..

and there are at least 100 people uploading hundreds of ISOS each, with thousands downloading them...

Not only that, but there are thousands of sites like this worldwide, with MORE users than you can imagine..

HOWEVER<



that's NOT our problem.. these are problems of SONY, the Developers who write the software and the Stockholders for the companies that they represent.. NOT me, NOT you, NOT ANYONE you or I know at all




So fuckit.. I do what I want and let the people who piracy affects deal with the problem at THEIR EXPENSE.. Not mine


any homebrew dev that tries to protect the interests of stockholders can suck a ****. because they're already pursing their lips to suck something

[frazz]

Has the Psp Go been hacked yet?
Do we have any Video proof?
Who is this guy ForePlay?

Hopefully this will be closed soon......

[SlippaTweek]

Who is this guy ForePlay?
Shhh another of those mustn't-ever-mention-the-name types :D
Where is the Great Naked One ? I looooove you ! :O

[VagrantWalker]

Has the Psp Go been hacked yet?
Do we have any Video proof?
Who is this guy ForePlay?

Hopefully this will be closed soon......
Ahahaha...