MS: Bringing MGS to 360 was a key part of our strategy

[Zeus]

Shane Kim of MS has revealed that bringing Metal Gear Solid to the Xbox 360 was a key part of his strategy. The strategy involved eliminating big third party exclusives.

<blockquote>Microsoft's Shane Kim has said that with the arrival of Metal Gear Solid on Xbox 360 they've achieved "a key part" of their strategy, to eliminate big third-party exclusives.

Content exclusive to platforms is still "really important," that will continue through first-party creations like Project Natal. Microsoft don't want to be "relying on third parties" anymore.

"I still think exclusive content is really important. First of all, in games, we've said for a long time that a key part of our strategy with Xbox 360 was a level third-party playing field. Now we've effectively done that with Metal Gear Solid coming to the Xbox 360," Kim tells Gamasutra.
</blockquote>

News Source: <A href="http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/4600/metal-gear-levelled-third-party-playing-field-says-kim-was-key-aim" target="_blank">StrategyInformer</a>

[BloodyJerusalem]

If you want a full mgs experience, if you are an MGS fan, like me, or you think you might be, but you never actually played the series, you still have to buy PS3 for the full experience (MGS4). Sony after settling down with very few exclusives at the start, is now firing on all cylinders with their own first party exclusives. MS has to invest in their own lineup, be it first party, or third party exclusives it makes no difference, but they are starting to fall behind the ps3. They get MGS, PS3 rolls Agent in, MS releases another Halo (even Halo fans will get sick of it eventually if it keeps coming every year), Sony has their (long awaited mind you, I am totally buying the **** out of this game) God of War, first instalment for the ps3, and it really leads the genre, unlike Halo (this game has nothing on the likes of Half-Life, personal opinion). I'd like to see just more new IP's, new exclusives, new ideas from MS, not just leaning on others to make games for their platform or spawning Halo and nothing besides that. It's never going to bring them an exclusive like SotC, or Last Guardian. NEVER. And that, to me, is kind of a sub-par gaming experience. They started this console generation with a bang, delivering Gears of War, and Mass Effect, and now they are just getting lazy (I'm still hoping for Mass Effect 2 to deliver, I enjoyed the first installment but let's be honest, besides the main quest, the game was unbelievably dull, they need to improve on that, because it has to potential to be one of the greatest Action RPG's of all time), and we see nothing but rehashes every year. Alan Wake is something new, and I am waiting eagerly to see how will this game play out, but that is just not enough. You have to wait half a decade, to play another Team ICO game, or SCE Santa Monica masterpiece. You had to wait more than a decade for another StarCraft, and I don't even have words, how that announcement made me happy, even if many people responsible for the original, or Brood War left Blizzard. We have not seen another Diablo for a very long time either, and how many years ago did both franchises launch?
Bungie is shooting Halo's out of it's womb every other year now, and it's really getting boring (well I found Halo boring since Combat Evolved, but still...they didn't bore people to death on the original xbox, another Halo was a long awaited blessing for it's fans) on the gamers. I mean I love Kojima, but if he was shooting MGS every other year then it couldn't be that good of a franchise, could it? It would start to get dull, and I am nowhere near as psyched for Rising, as I was for MGS4. IT's just too early, the only good thing is, it's not entirely Kojima's game this time, or so they say.
And TEAM ICO never makes the same game twice either, even if there are similarities. I don't hate MS, I don't hate xbox, I would just want to see some innovation, a gamble once in a while here and there, I would like to see 360 differentiate itself from PS3, which Sony is clearly trying to do with their console on the strength of it's exclusives, and I get why i bought it. I don't care for motorstorm, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank, even GT5, those are not my kind of games, but PS3 has an eclusive in almost every genre, and they make those exclusives work, unlike I don't know, Crackdown for example, or Velvet Assassin, Ninja Blade, which are nothing more than mediocrity. Maybe Section 8 will be worthwile? I will look forward to that, but it's not the general tone for the console, unlike PS3. Do I really have no need to buy a 360 (I already own one) if I am not a Halo fan? Really? Well Natal is a start, but I have no idea what games for it they will bring, and when can they deliver the product, not to mention the fact that Sony has it's own motion controller, so how will that be different? I will have to wait for it to play out, but I don't know anything yet in that matter. MS still has to bring more fresh ideas, more innovation, more originality, more new quality. I hate seeing 360 as a console for Halo and Gears of War fanboys, which it became. And I never even liked Halo, and Gears could use a makeover too, the second game is brought two years after the original and it doesn't change one bit, they better wait for some new ideas to pop, or just wait for people to really start to miss that world,, cause it ain't that imaginative either. Same goes for the new PS3 exclusive Quantum Theory. It's a game that seems very similar to Gears and I probably won't touch it, not because I am such a fan of Gears, and that it is a travesty of any kind to me, but I'm just fed up with the game, and it translates to this, allegedly fresh idea for a game, which is Quantum Theory. Bollocks.
Innovate MS! For once in your life.

[DaFireStarter]

If you want a full mgs experience, if you are an MGS fan, like me, or you think you might be, but you never actually played the series, you still have to buy PS3 for the full experience (MGS4). Sony after settling down with very few exclusives at the start, is now firing on all cylinders with their own first party exclusives. MS has to invest in their own lineup, be it first party, or third party exclusives it makes no difference, but they are starting to fall behind the ps3. They get MGS, PS3 rolls Agent in, MS releases another Halo (even Halo fans will get sick of it eventually if it keeps coming every year), Sony has their (long awaited mind you, I am totally buying the **** out of this game) God of War, first instalment for the ps3, and it really leads the genre, unlike Halo (this game has nothing on the likes of Half-Life, personal opinion). I'd like to see just more new IP's, new exclusives, new ideas from MS, not just leaning on others to make games for their platform or spawning Halo and nothing besides that. It's never going to bring them an exclusive like SotC, or Last Guardian. NEVER. And that, to me, is kind of a sub-par gaming experience. They started this console generation with a bang, delivering Gears of War, and Mass Effect, and now they are just getting lazy (I'm still hoping for Mass Effect 2 to deliver, I enjoyed the first installment but let's be honest, besides the main quest, the game was unbelievably dull, they need to improve on that, because it has to potential to be one of the greatest Action RPG's of all time), and we see nothing but rehashes every year. Alan Wake is something new, and I am waiting eagerly to see how will this game play out, but that is just not enough. You have to wait half a decade, to play another Team ICO game, or SCE Santa Monica masterpiece. You had to wait more than a decade for another StarCraft, and I don't even have words, how that announcement made me happy, even if many people responsible for the original, or Brood War left Blizzard. We have not seen another Diablo for a very long time either, and how many years ago did both franchises launch?
Bungie is shooting Halo's out of it's womb every other year now, and it's really getting boring (well I found Halo boring since Combat Evolved, but still...they didn't bore people to death on the original xbox, another Halo was a long awaited blessing for it's fans) on the gamers. I mean I love Kojima, but if he was shooting MGS every other year then it couldn't be that good of a franchise, could it? It would start to get dull, and I am nowhere near as psyched for Rising, as I was for MGS4. IT's just too early, the only good thing is, it's not entirely Kojima's game this time, or so they say.
And TEAM ICO never makes the same game twice either, even if there are similarities. I don't hate MS, I don't hate xbox, I would just want to see some innovation, a gamble once in a while here and there, I would like to see 360 differentiate itself from PS3, which Sony is clearly trying to do with their console on the strength of it's exclusives, and I get why i bought it. I don't care for motorstorm, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank, even GT5, those are not my kind of games, but PS3 has an eclusive in almost every genre, and they make those exclusives work, unlike I don't know, Crackdown for example, or Velvet Assassin, Ninja Blade, which are nothing more than mediocrity. Maybe Section 8 will be worthwile? I will look forward to that, but it's not the general tone for the console, unlike PS3. Do I really have no need to buy a 360 (I already own one) if I am not a Halo fan? Really? Well Natal is a start, but I have no idea what games for it they will bring, and when can they deliver the product, not to mention the fact that Sony has it's own motion controller, so how will that be different? I will have to wait for it to play out, but I don't know anything yet in that matter. MS still has to bring more fresh ideas, more innovation, more originality, more new quality. I hate seeing 360 as a console for Halo and Gears of War fanboys, which it became. And I never even liked Halo, and Gears could use a makeover too, the second game is brought two years after the original and it doesn't change one bit, they better wait for some new ideas to pop, or just wait for people to really start to miss that world,, cause it ain't that imaginative either. Same goes for the new PS3 exclusive Quantum Theory. It's a game that seems very similar to Gears and I probably won't touch it, not because I am such a fan of Gears, and that it is a travesty of any kind to me, but I'm just fed up with the game, and it translates to this, allegedly fresh idea for a game, which is Quantum Theory. Bollocks.
Innovate MS! For once in your life.
... You seriously wrote all of this.... If a game get's to be played by more people what is the problem. You know Sony is not your friend? Nor is Microsoft and Nintendo! So stop defending them! It's fu3kin weird!

[0kensai0]

If a game get's to be played by more people what is the problem. You know Sony is not your friend? Nor is Microsoft and Nintendo! So stop defending them! It's fu3kin weird!

Totally agree...

THough too poor atm to buy a Xbox 360 to complete my collection...so hang in there a little longer SOny ^_^

[Zoddi]

but it sounds funny "that's the thing we ever wanted to do"!
for sure they want that and i don't need to be a genius to know that. Behind that things are masses of money and i hope money isn't ruining the whole experience like we see it on other titles

[jamsplodge]

Wow, I found BloodyJerusalem's post incredibly difficult to read..... am I the only one?

Oh and you're having a laugh aren't you? Crackdown was awesome and so much fun.

Third party exclusives will be a thing of the past in 2 years time I reckon.... at the most. Nothing you can do about 1st party.

[Trashcat]

Wow, I found BloodyJerusalem's post incredibly difficult to read..... am I the only one?
Ill make it simple for you:

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[crypysmoker]

If you want a full mgs experience, if you are an MGS fan, like me, or you think you might be, but you never actually played the series, you still have to buy PS3 for the full experience (MGS4). Sony after settling down with very few exclusives at the start, is now firing on all cylinders with their own first party exclusives. MS has to invest in their own lineup, be it first party, or third party exclusives it makes no difference, but they are starting to fall behind the ps3. They get MGS, PS3 rolls Agent in, MS releases another Halo (even Halo fans will get sick of it eventually if it keeps coming every year), Sony has their (long awaited mind you, I am totally buying the **** out of this game) God of War, first instalment for the ps3, and it really leads the genre, unlike Halo (this game has nothing on the likes of Half-Life, personal opinion). I'd like to see just more new IP's, new exclusives, new ideas from MS, not just leaning on others to make games for their platform or spawning Halo and nothing besides that. It's never going to bring them an exclusive like SotC, or Last Guardian. NEVER. And that, to me, is kind of a sub-par gaming experience. They started this console generation with a bang, delivering Gears of War, and Mass Effect, and now they are just getting lazy (I'm still hoping for Mass Effect 2 to deliver, I enjoyed the first installment but let's be honest, besides the main quest, the game was unbelievably dull, they need to improve on that, because it has to potential to be one of the greatest Action RPG's of all time), and we see nothing but rehashes every year. Alan Wake is something new, and I am waiting eagerly to see how will this game play out, but that is just not enough. You have to wait half a decade, to play another Team ICO game, or SCE Santa Monica masterpiece. You had to wait more than a decade for another StarCraft, and I don't even have words, how that announcement made me happy, even if many people responsible for the original, or Brood War left Blizzard. We have not seen another Diablo for a very long time either, and how many years ago did both franchises launch?
Bungie is shooting Halo's out of it's womb every other year now, and it's really getting boring (well I found Halo boring since Combat Evolved, but still...they didn't bore people to death on the original xbox, another Halo was a long awaited blessing for it's fans) on the gamers. I mean I love Kojima, but if he was shooting MGS every other year then it couldn't be that good of a franchise, could it? It would start to get dull, and I am nowhere near as psyched for Rising, as I was for MGS4. IT's just too early, the only good thing is, it's not entirely Kojima's game this time, or so they say.
And TEAM ICO never makes the same game twice either, even if there are similarities. I don't hate MS, I don't hate xbox, I would just want to see some innovation, a gamble once in a while here and there, I would like to see 360 differentiate itself from PS3, which Sony is clearly trying to do with their console on the strength of it's exclusives, and I get why i bought it. I don't care for motorstorm, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank, even GT5, those are not my kind of games, but PS3 has an eclusive in almost every genre, and they make those exclusives work, unlike I don't know, Crackdown for example, or Velvet Assassin, Ninja Blade, which are nothing more than mediocrity. Maybe Section 8 will be worthwile? I will look forward to that, but it's not the general tone for the console, unlike PS3. Do I really have no need to buy a 360 (I already own one) if I am not a Halo fan? Really? Well Natal is a start, but I have no idea what games for it they will bring, and when can they deliver the product, not to mention the fact that Sony has it's own motion controller, so how will that be different? I will have to wait for it to play out, but I don't know anything yet in that matter. MS still has to bring more fresh ideas, more innovation, more originality, more new quality. I hate seeing 360 as a console for Halo and Gears of War fanboys, which it became. And I never even liked Halo, and Gears could use a makeover too, the second game is brought two years after the original and it doesn't change one bit, they better wait for some new ideas to pop, or just wait for people to really start to miss that world,, cause it ain't that imaginative either. Same goes for the new PS3 exclusive Quantum Theory. It's a game that seems very similar to Gears and I probably won't touch it, not because I am such a fan of Gears, and that it is a travesty of any kind to me, but I'm just fed up with the game, and it translates to this, allegedly fresh idea for a game, which is Quantum Theory. Bollocks.
Innovate MS! For once in your life.

And you even edited after. Im sorry but all I can see is just one big splat of letters bleeding down the screen. You have WAAAAY to much free time.


But come on..
Same people who made Halo 2 for pc a Vista only game...
Same people who ganked FF13 right out from under sony
Of course their strategy is to take away from their competitors DUUUUH

[NakedFaerie]

Shane Kim of MS has revealed that bringing Metal Gear Solid to the Xbox 360 was a key part of his strategy. The strategy involved eliminating big third party exclusives.

<blockquote>Microsoft's Shane Kim has said that with the arrival of Metal Gear Solid on Xbox 360 they've achieved "a key part" of their strategy, to eliminate big third-party exclusives.

Content exclusive to platforms is still "really important," that will continue through first-party creations like Project Natal. Microsoft don't want to be "relying on third parties" anymore.

"I still think exclusive content is really important. First of all, in games, we've said for a long time that a key part of our strategy with Xbox 360 was a level third-party playing field. Now we've effectively done that with Metal Gear Solid coming to the Xbox 360," Kim tells Gamasutra.
</blockquote>

News Source: <A href="http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/4600/metal-gear-levelled-third-party-playing-field-says-kim-was-key-aim" target="_blank">StrategyInformer</a>

WTF?
What about Halo and Gears? Are they coming to PS3? I dont think so.
This guy sounds like a real prick. F! HIM!
This is why I dont buy any of my 360 games anymore. If they are going to play dirty them so am I.

[EL_CAD]

Metal Gear Solid has a declining fan base. Each sequel sells less than the previous version.

[kcvfr400]

I simply would rather new first party titles to be the key part of their strategy. There is little reason to choose a 360 at the moment when you go on first party games or even second party. It has been shown metal gear has a small fanbase compared to other titles so don't see what they have achieved.

[NextGenPsych]

Well, Konami developed/ported a MGS game for MicroSofts platform before, as well as for Nintendo, so that's nothing new.
But I don't know if mr Kim can be so happy about this multiplatform release.
Sure it has MGS in it's title, but I think it's going to be completely different than the MGS games the real fans love to play.
I only hope that Konami won't start releasing all kinds of MGS iterations like MS does with their Halo franchise, cause it loose it's glance.

[danight]

I only hope that Konami won't start releasing all kinds of MGS iterations like MS does with their Halo franchise, cause it loose it's glance.

ummm correct me if im wrong but isnt halo 3 still one of the highest selling games this gen? Or better yet that its one of the most played online games on live which really says alot for people liking a game.

Now im no halo 3 fan and but there is no denying people love that game and it didnt loose "its glance".

Now as far as MGS... Im no fan of that either. I liked 2 but hated 3 and reviews turned me off to 4 but the gun metal ps3 almost sold me on that bundle.
I lost respect for konami after the bogus rock band law suit because mgs4 didnt make them as much as they expected.

But what kim is doing here is no different than what sony did with ff14. Sure its a new ff game but its based off ff11 which xbox 360 has had since launch. Now give credit where credit is due ff11 was a very solid mmo and ff14 should be decent as well but its no WoW killer.

In any case this is just the hype machine hyping a franchise name. nothing more, nothing less. We dont know enough about the game to compare it to anything except the title. Personally as long as mgs4 took to release.... im not holding my breath for this one. Konami needs to wise up and get off the exclsuive band wagon. It hurts them... multi platform is the way to go. Yes fanboys get pissed but money is where it counts.

ps... if i see another announcement for a announcement of a announcement, im throw up.

[grapeape]

Everytime someone posts these long ass whiney rants all I can picture in my head is the scene in The Empire Strikes Back when luke is whining to Vader.. no...thats no true...:rolleyes:

BTW just for fun....

Halo 2001
Halo 2 2004
Halo 3 2007
Halo ODST 2009
Halo Reach 2010?

Call of duty 2004
Call of duty 2 2005
Call of duty 3 2006
Call of duty 4 2007
Call of duty World at War 2008
Call of duty Modern Warfare 2 2009
Call of duty 5 2010?

MGS2 2001
MGS3 2004
MGS4 2008
MGS Rising 2010?
MGS Peace Walker 2010?

God of War 2005
God of War 2 2007
God of War 3 2009

You may notice I left off all the other flavors of MGS like Substance, portable ops, etc..also left out GOW chains of olympus. Kojima has had direct involvement in 22 titles since 2001 and it appears that Team ICO is cranking out titles at faster pace than anyone. Bungie in the meantime is averaging about the same as the main MGS titles.

BTW as far as "working" 360 exclusives, you mention stuff like Velvet Assassin (which I haven't even heard of) yet forget to mention games like Forza, Left 4 dead, Fable, etc. You can throw in the I dont hate the 360 thing in there to appear unbiased but the substance of your post shows otherwise.



I only hope that Konami won't start releasing all kinds of MGS iterations like MS does with their Halo franchise, cause it loose it's glance.

You mean stuff like Halo Substance, Portable Ops, Mobile, Touch, Online, Acid? Oh wait....

[Xenogears V]

If you want a full mgs experience, if you are an MGS fan, like me, or you think you might be, but you never actually played the series, you still have to buy PS3 for the full experience (MGS4). Sony after settling down with very few exclusives at the start, is now firing on all cylinders with their own first party exclusives. MS has to invest in their own lineup, be it first party, or third party exclusives it makes no difference, but they are starting to fall behind the ps3. They get MGS, PS3 rolls Agent in, MS releases another Halo (even Halo fans will get sick of it eventually if it keeps coming every year), Sony has their (long awaited mind you, I am totally buying the **** out of this game) God of War, first instalment for the ps3, and it really leads the genre, unlike Halo (this game has nothing on the likes of Half-Life, personal opinion). I'd like to see just more new IP's, new exclusives, new ideas from MS, not just leaning on others to make games for their platform or spawning Halo and nothing besides that. It's never going to bring them an exclusive like SotC, or Last Guardian. NEVER. And that, to me, is kind of a sub-par gaming experience. They started this console generation with a bang, delivering Gears of War, and Mass Effect, and now they are just getting lazy (I'm still hoping for Mass Effect 2 to deliver, I enjoyed the first installment but let's be honest, besides the main quest, the game was unbelievably dull, they need to improve on that, because it has to potential to be one of the greatest Action RPG's of all time), and we see nothing but rehashes every year. Alan Wake is something new, and I am waiting eagerly to see how will this game play out, but that is just not enough. You have to wait half a decade, to play another Team ICO game, or SCE Santa Monica masterpiece. You had to wait more than a decade for another StarCraft, and I don't even have words, how that announcement made me happy, even if many people responsible for the original, or Brood War left Blizzard. We have not seen another Diablo for a very long time either, and how many years ago did both franchises launch?
Bungie is shooting Halo's out of it's womb every other year now, and it's really getting boring (well I found Halo boring since Combat Evolved, but still...they didn't bore people to death on the original xbox, another Halo was a long awaited blessing for it's fans) on the gamers. I mean I love Kojima, but if he was shooting MGS every other year then it couldn't be that good of a franchise, could it? It would start to get dull, and I am nowhere near as psyched for Rising, as I was for MGS4. IT's just too early, the only good thing is, it's not entirely Kojima's game this time, or so they say.
And TEAM ICO never makes the same game twice either, even if there are similarities. I don't hate MS, I don't hate xbox, I would just want to see some innovation, a gamble once in a while here and there, I would like to see 360 differentiate itself from PS3, which Sony is clearly trying to do with their console on the strength of it's exclusives, and I get why i bought it. I don't care for motorstorm, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank, even GT5, those are not my kind of games, but PS3 has an eclusive in almost every genre, and they make those exclusives work, unlike I don't know, Crackdown for example, or Velvet Assassin, Ninja Blade, which are nothing more than mediocrity. Maybe Section 8 will be worthwile? I will look forward to that, but it's not the general tone for the console, unlike PS3. Do I really have no need to buy a 360 (I already own one) if I am not a Halo fan? Really? Well Natal is a start, but I have no idea what games for it they will bring, and when can they deliver the product, not to mention the fact that Sony has it's own motion controller, so how will that be different? I will have to wait for it to play out, but I don't know anything yet in that matter. MS still has to bring more fresh ideas, more innovation, more originality, more new quality. I hate seeing 360 as a console for Halo and Gears of War fanboys, which it became. And I never even liked Halo, and Gears could use a makeover too, the second game is brought two years after the original and it doesn't change one bit, they better wait for some new ideas to pop, or just wait for people to really start to miss that world,, cause it ain't that imaginative either. Same goes for the new PS3 exclusive Quantum Theory. It's a game that seems very similar to Gears and I probably won't touch it, not because I am such a fan of Gears, and that it is a travesty of any kind to me, but I'm just fed up with the game, and it translates to this, allegedly fresh idea for a game, which is Quantum Theory. Bollocks.
Innovate MS! For once in your life.

I think to have understand what you mean...

In bigs lines I am agree with you.

Exclusive game do to sell console.

Many times exclusive games do become big a console.

Think...Where was Nintendo with out MARIO!?!. Where is Microsoft without Halo!?!.

I think, when a game make great a console, that game must rest for that console.

Devil May Cry, for example is a great game, but without Sony, maybe that game never come out.

Then I think that for thankfulness and for "affiliation" they should be exclusive.

There is also another aspect. For example...Un real 360 fanboy never play Metal Gear Solid, or a Ps3 fanboy, never play Gear Of War. Than they don't care about exclusive.

But, for who like me, f*cking about fanboy "war", is an injustice don't play a game, because I haven't a console to play for a exclusive game.

For example. If you have a 360 and Metal Gear Solid there isn't on it, why spend other money to buy a Ps3?. Multiplataform resolve this problem.

In this way, Sony loose a console. Then to return to discourse that exclusive move console sell.

[Trashcat]

WTF?
What about Halo and Gears? Are they coming to PS3? I dont think so.
This guy sounds like a real prick. F! HIM!
This is why I dont buy any of my 360 games anymore. If they are going to play dirty them so am I.
Exactly he sounds like a douchebag and generally MS is arrogant and full of ****, sony on the other hand always been humble and never turned arrogant no matter how successful they were, also sony never lies or resorts to FUD tactics and their business ethics is a class of its own, thats why I respect sony as a company and everyone who works with/for them and wish them well in this gen.

[grapeape]

Exactly he sounds like a douchebag and generally MS is arrogant and full of ****, sony on the other hand always been humble and never turned arrogant no matter how successful they were, also sony never lies or resorts to FUD tactics and their business ethics is a class of its own, thats why I respect sony as a company and everyone who works with/for them and wish them well in this gen.

Umm the difference there is that Halo and Gears are the Intellectual Property of MS, so technically they are 2nd party titles. Mass Effect for an example isnt which is why many expect it to go to the PS3 eventually.

[sirxlaughs]

WTF?
What about Halo and Gears? Are they coming to PS3? I dont think so.
This guy sounds like a real prick. F! HIM!
This is why I dont buy any of my 360 games anymore. If they are going to play dirty them so am I.

Halo is a Microsoft owned franchise (unless Bungie held the rights to it when they left). Seeing Halo on the PS3 would be like seeing Mario or God of War go to a competitor's platform. Also, don't try to justify your piracy as some kind of "sticking it to the man" thing. A turd is a turd, no matter how many sprinkles you put on top of it.

[Au{R}oN]

Bring MGS to 360????

They bring NOTHING, just a stupid raiden game.... it will be HUGE for sure... BUT THERE NO SOLID SNAKE OR BIG BOSS its not TACTICAL ESPIONAGE ACTION. ITS NOT MGS!

Poor Loooooser Kim. :cool:

[whackawookie]

Bring MGS to 360????

They bring NOTHING, just a stupid raiden game.... it will be HUGE for sure... BUT THERE NO SOLID SNAKE OR BIG BOSS its not TACTICAL ESPIONAGE ACTION. ITS NOT MGS!

Poor Loooooser Kim. :cool:

so what your saying is because snake isn't in anymore mgs games that there are no more mgs games? i'm sure millions of fans would disagree

[msanchez]

First off, BloodyJerusalem I'm not a grammar nazi, nor do I have sufficient knowledge to be one, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT next time try to divide your post into a few paragraphs; it's incredibly difficult to read when everything is all crammed in there like that. Also whatever your reasons, if you think 360 owners getting the chance to play MGS is bad, we are in complete disagreement.


so what your saying is because snake isn't in anymore mgs games that there are no more mgs games? i'm sure millions of fans would disagree

I actually think it's wrong to name any forthcoming games "Solid" since that part of the title was because the main character was "Solid Snake", then again MGS3 was about Big Boss.... but anywho, I just don't think they should be named "Solid" anymore. Not that I think this is going to change the game or anything, I'm sure I'll like this new game just as much as any of the previous ones.

I actually agree with Kim's "eliminate 3rd party exclusives" strategy, that's good for us; however...... ms are not known for being very pro-competition, so I just hope that they at least attempt not to be hypocrites in this matter.

If console makers can't rely on 3rd party exclusives, then I suppose they would have to ramp up their 1st party production to make their consoles stand out and that seems just perfect to me. That is unless sony/ms get into a nintendo type of situation where 3rd parties are just.... well they just SUCK plain and simple. Whether that's due to customers not wanting to buy 3rd party games because they are not nintendo games, or because they are just horrible horrible games (this seems to be the wii's case, not so with other nintendo consoles) is a different matter.

[put4558350]

Eliminating third party exclusives is clear strategy.

1. Pay third party to port exclusive game to xbox360 (for one time). killing credibility of "exclusive" on ps3

- sony know that and change word from "exclusive" to "only possible on".
- but you know ? even "dead rising" is possible on wii. base on marketing.
- when game go to more system. the game's "sale more".

2. Third party's stake holder like "sale more". And will push more ports game to both system this time for free. or at less make exclusive deal more expensive.

Metal Gear : Rising seem to be in this catalog.

- Stake holder push it.
- Kojima productions have to make it for xbox360.
- Kojima him self don't like it so he move to make psp game. and let other make Metal Gear : Rising.
- If game sale good stake holder will make another push.
- That time. kojima him self will have to make game for both ps3 and xbox360.

3. if they have same game. xbox360 win people by lower price of console.

[Retroboy]

lol this shane kim guy needs to understand ONE BIG F+@CKIN THING

this titles is not a third party eclusive, it is not a MGS title.

it is on the other hand a MGS spin off.

this guy deservse a pat on the back when MGS4 hits the 360..............erm but it never will instead its getting a cash cow title, comeone it sucks already ninja raided lol lightening bolt action.

This is not MGS, MGS is stealth not Slash em up DMC style.

[sirxlaughs]

Eliminating third party exclusives is clear strategy.

1. Pay third party to port exclusive game to xbox360 (for one time). killing credibility of "exclusive" on ps3

- sony know that and change word from "exclusive" to "only possible on".
- but you know ? even "dead rising" is possible on wii. base on marketing.
- when game go to more system. the game's "sale more".

2. Third party's stake holder like "sale more". And will push more ports game to both system this time for free. or at less make exclusive deal more expensive.

Metal Gear : Rising seem to be in this catalog.

- Stake holder push it.
- Kojima productions have to make it for xbox360.
- Kojima him self don't like it so he move to make psp game. and let other make Metal Gear : Rising.
- If game sale good stake holder will make another push.
- That time. kojima him self will have to make game for both ps3 and xbox360.

3. if they have same game. xbox360 win people by lower price of console.


lol this shane kim guy needs to understand ONE BIG F+@CKIN THING

this titles is not a third party eclusive, it is not a MGS title.

it is on the other hand a MGS spin off.

this guy deservse a pat on the back when MGS4 hits the 360..............erm but it never will instead its getting a cash cow title, comeone it sucks already ninja raided lol lightening bolt action.

This is not MGS, MGS is stealth not Slash em up DMC style.

This is for both of you:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/kojima-working-deeply-on-mgs-rising

[kingkneal09]

Exactly he sounds like a douchebag and generally MS is arrogant and full of ****, sony on the other hand always been humble and never turned arrogant no matter how successful they were, also sony never lies or resorts to FUD tactics and their business ethics is a class of its own, thats why I respect sony as a company and everyone who works with/for them and wish them well in this gen.

:eek: yo trashy is this some typo or something??? if not then hoooooooly crap...
someone get this man to a hospital cuz he must have gone into shock or sumtin lol...good ole trashy aye

[sickboy1138]

big wup hes so happy he can get the xbots some MGR not MGS

its not for the fans of MGS who only have XBOX because there is no such thing. the fans of MGS bought the platform they did for MGS. hes getting a Metal Gear so they can say they have it. but they still dont.


If you kill 8 or 10 people and throw blood all over them and say
"Now you see what Im saying?" and they say
"oh yeah we see what your saying"

But they still dont see what your saying

[DEDDOA]

I love threads like this, it's like fanboy full moon :)

One spanner in the works tho, didn't metal gear start on what can be called a Microsoft system or at least an MS led system, the MSX? No ammount of nonsense from the fanatics will change that, it doesn't have it's routes on a sony console (well maybe the solid part but then thats hardly been a 1 format franchise) it's on the old MSX, this is just a home comming if you will.

[DEDDOA]

big wup hes so happy he can get the xbots some MGR not MGS

its not for the fans of MGS who only have XBOX because there is no such thing. the fans of MGS bought the platform they did for MGS. hes getting a Metal Gear so they can say they have it. but they still dont.


If you kill 8 or 10 people and throw blood all over them and say
"Now you see what Im saying?" and they say
"oh yeah we see what your saying"

But they still dont see what your saying

I must tell a few of my mates they aren't MGS fans then now, they only have 360's or PC's as they can't afford the PS3 but love the MGS series, I ought to let them know they don't exsist so they can go rob banks and stuff and noone would see them as they don't exsist :)

On a more serious note, i know lots of peopel who only have one foramt but love the games on other ones and wish they would come to their console. My PS3 did the rounds when MGS4 was released just as our second wii has done for friends and family who don't have one.

MS are basically doing good for themselves and in turn doing good for their customers. Of course they don't care about sony, or sony fanatics who they know they will never win over. Their intrest is to attract and keep as many customers as possible, and removing as many third party exclusives as possible from Sony especially big ones like this, is good for them.

There is no doubt if this game was a PS3 exclusive, PS3 fanatics would be gloating that it another MGS game they have, but now it's not exclusive, it's suddenly less of a game, so very very sad. I for one look forward to it and will weigh up the pro's and cons at launch to decide which version I buy, tho then I guess thats the beauty of not being biased to one toy, I can go for the version that benefits e the most :)

[NextGenPsych]

I love threads like this, it's like fanboy full moon :)

One spanner in the works tho, didn't metal gear start on what can be called a Microsoft system or at least an MS led system, the MSX? No ammount of nonsense from the fanatics will change that, it doesn't have it's routes on a sony console (well maybe the solid part but then thats hardly been a 1 format franchise) it's on the old MSX, this is just a home comming if you will.

Yup, Metal Gear on MSX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_(video_game)), I've had a lot of fun with that one.
Played it on the PS2 too, Metal Gear Retribution has a CD with a ported version

[put4558350]

This is for both of you:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/kojima-working-deeply-on-mgs-rising

thank.


Hideo Kojima will let "young-bloods" within Kojima Productions do the bulk of the work on MGS Rising, which will retain the stealth espionage core but otherwise be a "new experience".

Hideo Kojima "Don't" make this game him self. But let other staff in Kojima Productions make MGS Rising.

ps. I never say that he not do QC, it's side story or something in that line.
and psp game i say is MGS Peace Walker.

[jamsplodge]

By the way... what's so great about MGS anyway?

I've tried every iteration since the PS1 version.... I'm thinking "everyone else likes these games... maybe I'm missing something..."

Am I missing something? These games are so very dull.

[DEDDOA]

By the way... what's so great about MGS anyway?

I've tried every iteration since the PS1 version.... I'm thinking "everyone else likes these games... maybe I'm missing something..."

Am I missing something? These games are so very dull.

I think it's a case of, if you don't get on with the odd story you won't really geton with the game. Initially the stealth side of things was a big part of the game especially on the PS1, but with the like sof splinter cell pretty much cleaning up in that area, that side of things is lacking these days. I'd say that now for MGS4 it's Metal Gears of War, 3rd person run and gun, which is very fun if hindered by small levels, compared to the large level semi isometric top down view/3rd person stealth shooter of earlier games.

[kingkneal09]

By the way... what's so great about MGS anyway?

I've tried every iteration since the PS1 version.... I'm thinking "everyone else likes these games... maybe I'm missing something..."

Am I missing something? These games are so very dull.

the same thing thats so great about halo...millions of people buy it because they think owning it makes them some elite class in society...this happens to a few games out there...metal gear, ffxiii (i am one of the people that just by these games to feel special :D ), halo, and some others that i dont wanna type...

[kingkneal09]

You mean stuff like Halo Substance, Portable Ops, Mobile, Touch, Online, Acid? Oh wait....

no he meant stuff like metal gear solid 4 legendary edition with limited snake eye patch replica, metal gear solid 4 wars, metal gear solid 4 odst (play the game from the Rat Patrol 01 unit perspective and get a copy of the original metal gear solid 4 multiplayer, and all only for $60), metal gear solid 4 reach, metal gear solid 4 chronicles........Oh wait.....:rolleyes:

[sirxlaughs]

thank.



Hideo Kojima "Don't" make this game him self. But let other staff in Kojima Productions make MGS Rising.

ps. I never say that he not do QC, it's side story or something in that line.
and psp game i say is MGS Peace Walker.

Maybe it's your English, or maybe you just don't like the fact that a Metal Gear game is coming to the 360. Him letting some new staff take a crack at an MGS game doesn't mean he's not directly involved in it. What role do you think he played in the other MGS games? Programmer? Graphic Artist?
Did you skip over the second sentence of the article?
""I'll be working more deeply on the project then a normal producer," Kojima explained to Japanese magazine Dengeki"
He produced, designed and wrote the other MGS games. Now he plans on being more involved with the Rising than just a regular producer. Saying that he's not working on the game is like saying Miyamoto didn't work on any of the games he produced either. I'm astonished that fans of the Metal Gear series are blasting this new one just because it's not a Sony exclusive. News flash, guys: Metal Gear has never been a Sony exclusive franchise. It was first released for the MSX2 computer. The Metal Gear games that appeared on the NES wasn't made by Kojima. To everyone saying that this isn't a MGS game b/c the starring role is not Solid Snake. The real Metal Gear 2 was called, "Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake." Metal Gear Solid 3 starred Naked Snake, as will the PSP Peace Walker game.

[sirxlaughs]

no he meant stuff like metal gear solid 4 legendary edition with limited snake eye patch replica, metal gear solid 4 wars, metal gear solid 4 odst (play the game from the Rat Patrol 01 unit perspective and get a copy of the original metal gear solid 4 multiplayer, and all only for $60), metal gear solid 4 reach, metal gear solid 4 chronicles........Oh wait.....:rolleyes:

Actually, Metal Gear Online is available on a separate disc. I just wanted to add that in there. And I think the point he was trying to make, was that the other guy said the Metal Gear series didn't have a bunch of spin-offs and remakes, which it obviously does.

[Retroboy]

sirxlaughs

maybe you need to read it m8, because its just as i put it.

this game cannot be the normal MGS when your a ninja that can move fast and have a sword that cuts through bodies like butter.

thats never been the idea of MGS, on the other hand DMC yea:o

This title will be because people thought raiden looked cool in MGS4 so heres the CASH COW, lets do a spin off.

[DEDDOA]

sirxlaughs

maybe you need to read it m8, because its just as i put it.

this game cannot be the normal MGS when your a ninja that can move fast and have a sword that cuts through bodies like butter.

thats never been the idea of MGS, on the other hand DMC yea:o

This title will be because people thought raiden looked cool in MGS4 so heres the CASH COW, lets do a spin off.

If you want to go down that route, 3rd person run and gun is not MGS, MGS is more about stealth than being a shootem up like MGS4 was, so I'd say a ninja is more likley to be stealthy than shooter so is closer to the first 3 games than 4 was. If we go by your standard, there is only 1 and a bit MGS games, MGS and the Solid Snake bit on the boat in MGS2. The Rest of MGS2 isn't MGS as it's a different charachter, as is MGS3. Essentially every MGS game has been different to the original, 2 had differnt characters and one has a totaly different playstyle, how does the next one differ from that.

The only reason this one is different is because some idiots are making excuses for it being less of a game now it's not even a timed PS3 exclusive like MGS 1 and 2. Like I said before, if this game was PS3 exclusive, the fanboys would be bragging about how it's another MGS game that 360 owners won't get, but as it's not they are clutching at straws and making excuses.

[sirxlaughs]

sirxlaughs

maybe you need to read it m8, because its just as i put it.

this game cannot be the normal MGS when your a ninja that can move fast and have a sword that cuts through bodies like butter.

thats never been the idea of MGS, on the other hand DMC yea:o

This title will be because people thought raiden looked cool in MGS4 so heres the CASH COW, lets do a spin off.

So, explain how you can run and gun through MGS4? The stealth part of that game was apparently made optional and up to the player how they decide to play through game. Did you read the article?

Hideo Kojima will let "young-bloods" within Kojima Productions do the bulk of the work on MGS Rising, which will retain the stealth espionage core but otherwise be a "new experience".

You keep talking about the gameplay like you've played the game already. You must have some insider information. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion. It just seems like a lot of fans of the series are coming out against Rising b/c it's going to Microsoft's platform. Some people went so far as to say Rising is not a real MGS game, yet Peace Walker is. Neither of them star Solid Snake.

[kingkneal09]

So, explain how you can run and gun through MGS4? The stealth part of that game was apparently made optional and up to the player how they decide to play through game. Did you read the article?


You keep talking about the gameplay like you've played the game already. You must have some insider information. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion. It just seems like a lot of fans of the series are coming out against Rising b/c it's going to Microsoft's platform. Some people went so far as to say Rising is not a real MGS game, yet Peace Walker is. Neither of them star Solid Snake.

actually kojima kinda said this...by saying, rising is not the next true sequel or something and that peace walker is...i kno you like your sources...so here you go... www.google.com ... this is one of those sources that requires a little input... just for the record, kojima is the creator or maker or watever of metal gear

[msanchez]

So, explain how you can run and gun through MGS4? The stealth part of that game was apparently made optional and up to the player how they decide to play through game. Did you read the article?


You keep talking about the gameplay like you've played the game already. You must have some insider information. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion. It just seems like a lot of fans of the series are coming out against Rising b/c it's going to Microsoft's platform. Some people went so far as to say Rising is not a real MGS game, yet Peace Walker is. Neither of them star Solid Snake.

That's correct, If I so chose I could have beat the game in a few hours by taking out all sentries with cqc, silenced weapons, or sniping them from a safe distance (I do love sniping though), but that would feel like cheating so I choose to be stealthy about things, learn patrol routes, distract with sounds, etc, etc because this is way more fun than just killing everything in sight. The same could be true if let's say Raiden's or whoever the character is a ninja the likes of Gray Fox; sure you could go invisible and slash everything in sight, that's up to you if you don't want to enjoy your game, but I know I would try to use that sword as less as possible. That's the beauty of games like MGS, and the earlier RE games, sure you can kill people/robots/zombies, but is that really the best option? In RE games choosing wrong was far more disastrous though since ammo, and healing items weren't exactly abundant.

In any case, if you wanna talk about spin off and different playing styles, the only games that truly fits that category are the Acid! games, and much to my surprise even those I enjoyed at lot. I might not consider Rising a part of the "Solid" saga, but that doesn't mean it's not a Metal Gear game; actually, without even seeing the story I should even make that judgement because given how MG's world is set up it's rather easy to have Solid Snake be a very important factor in the game.... just look at how important Big Boss is in MGS1, 2, and 4.

[Cantenna]

too bad.

I only like to spend money on exclusive.

Now that MGS is not exclusive well I Wont be buying any more MGS.

[sirxlaughs]

actually kojima kinda said this...by saying, rising is not the next true sequel or something and that peace walker is...i kno you like your sources...so here you go... www.google.com ... this is one of those sources that requires a little input... just for the record, kojima is the creator or maker or watever of metal gear

Kojima said Peace Walker is a sequel and that Rising is a parallel story. It's still all part of the MGS universe. Really? Kojima made Metal Gear? I'll try to make my sarcasm less apparent so you can feel like you taught me something. Saying one game is a sequel and the other is not doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's a "Solid" game. The argument some people have used is that Rising is not a "Solid" game b/c Solid Snake is not the main character. That argument doesn't work since Peace Walker is not about Solid Snake. MGS3 was a prequel, not a sequel. Portable Ops was a sequel to MGS3. Peace Walker (if you go by the date the game is set in) is a sequel to Portable Ops, not MGS4. MGS4 takes place in 2014. Peace Walker will be set in 1974. I still don't know the setting for Rising since there haven't been any details put out. There's some more stuff to add to your records.

[sirxlaughs]

That's correct, If I so chose I could have beat the game in a few hours by taking out all sentries with cqc, silenced weapons, or sniping them from a safe distance (I do love sniping though), but that would feel like cheating so I choose to be stealthy about things, learn patrol routes, distract with sounds, etc, etc because this is way more fun than just killing everything in sight. The same could be true if let's say Raiden's or whoever the character is a ninja the likes of Gray Fox; sure you could go invisible and slash everything in sight, that's up to you if you don't want to enjoy your game, but I know I would try to use that sword as less as possible. That's the beauty of games like MGS, and the earlier RE games, sure you can kill people/robots/zombies, but is that really the best option? In RE games choosing wrong was far more disastrous though since ammo, and healing items weren't exactly abundant.

In any case, if you wanna talk about spin off and different playing styles, the only games that truly fits that category are the Acid! games, and much to my surprise even those I enjoyed at lot. I might not consider Rising a part of the "Solid" saga, but that doesn't mean it's not a Metal Gear game; actually, without even seeing the story I should even make that judgement because given how MG's world is set up it's rather easy to have Solid Snake be a very important factor in the game.... just look at how important Big Boss is in MGS1, 2, and 4.

I think MGS4 is the only one that's given the run and gun option, though. From the little I've played in the MGS games, you can't really go on a shooting spree. I also agree that until more is known about Rising, there's nothing to say about it. Saying that it's not a "Solid" game b/c the protagonist is not Solid Snake is just silly. The Solid part of the title didn't actually have anything to do with Solid Snake. Metal Gear starred Solid Snake. Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, obviously starred Solid Snake. The third in the series just ended up being called Metal Gear Solid instead of Metal Gear 3.

[kingkneal09]

Kojima said Peace Walker is a sequel and that Rising is a parallel story. It's still all part of the MGS universe. Really? Kojima made Metal Gear? I'll try to make my sarcasm less apparent so you can feel like you taught me something. Saying one game is a sequel and the other is not doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's a "Solid" game. The argument some people have used is that Rising is not a "Solid" game b/c Solid Snake is not the main character. That argument doesn't work since Peace Walker is not about Solid Snake. MGS3 was a prequel, not a sequel. Portable Ops was a sequel to MGS3. Peace Walker (if you go by the date the game is set in) is a sequel to Portable Ops, not MGS4. MGS4 takes place in 2014. Peace Walker will be set in 1974. I still don't know the setting for Rising since there haven't been any details put out. There's some more stuff to add to your records.

you obviously know nothing about sarcasm...you really think i thought tou didnt know who kojima was or what he did...and you could say whatever you want, it was pretty obvious from the start kojima didnt want to have anything to do with any metal gear that was going to the 360. this was obvious with what he said. by you, the creator of a series saying you are going to do very little on a game and that you are mainly focused on another game, obviously the game that you told everyone you are focusing on is going to be the more sought after game. what really baffled me was how shortly after saying this he almost recanted everything. "well i'll be alot more involved than a regular producer" its like...some big company pulled a few strings to shut him up before he did any more damage to rising...bottom line, if it was up to kojima, xbox 360 would never see rising even though it is not really his idea of the next installment in the metal gear series, he has made it clear he has no interest in micro or their system...but micro knows all this and went to the big boss konami...i mean how much companies can say no to micro's benjamins nowadays...once square gave in, everyone just said gimme gimme gimme gimme... :D

[sirxlaughs]

you obviously know nothing about sarcasm...you really think i thought tou didnt know who kojima was or what he did...and you could say whatever you want, it was pretty obvious from the start kojima didnt want to have anything to do with any metal gear that was going to the 360. this was obvious with what he said. by you, the creator of a series saying you are going to do very little on a game and that you are mainly focused on another game, obviously the game that you told everyone you are focusing on is going to be the more sought after game. what really baffled me was how shortly after saying this he almost recanted everything. "well i'll be alot more involved than a regular producer" its like...some big company pulled a few strings to shut him up before he did any more damage to rising...bottom line, if it was up to kojima, xbox 360 would never see rising even though it is not really his idea of the next installment in the metal gear series, he has made it clear he has no interest in micro or their system...but micro knows all this and went to the big boss konami...i mean how much companies can say no to micro's benjamins nowadays...once square gave in, everyone just said gimme gimme gimme gimme... :D

You can keep making your assumptions that Kojima is being "forced" to make a game on the 360. You must have forgotten that almost every other MGS game has gone multiplatform and Kojima was involved in the production of all of them (except the original NES ports). Either way, the reason behind the decision to bring Rising to the 360 was not what I was arguing about. I was talking about how people are not trying to discount this game as a "real" MGS game. You would think that Konami's star producer and designer would have more pull in the company. You don't see Nintendo "forcing" Miyamoto to do anything he doesn't want to do. If anything, it's the opposite. I've always thought that Kojima, being the mastermind behind much of Konami's success, would have more pull in the company.

[kingkneal09]

You can keep making your assumptions that Kojima is being "forced" to make a game on the 360. You must have forgotten that almost every other MGS game has gone multiplatform and Kojima was involved in the production of all of them (except the original NES ports). Either way, the reason behind the decision to bring Rising to the 360 was not what I was arguing about. I was talking about how people are not trying to discount this game as a "real" MGS game. You would think that Konami's star producer and designer would have more pull in the company. You don't see Nintendo "forcing" Miyamoto to do anything he doesn't want to do. If anything, it's the opposite. I've always thought that Kojima, being the mastermind behind much of Konami's success, would have more pull in the company.

nintendo has a console on the market....konami doesn't....if nintendo was just a developer, and developed only for ps3, and miyamoto was accused of getting money from sony, and micro went to ninty and asked (paid) for a game....miyamoto or no miyamoto...that game was going to 360...kojima or no kojima....konami gets what micro... i mean konami wants

[DanASBO]

nintendo has a console on the market....konami doesn't....if nintendo was just a developer, and developed only for ps3, and miyamoto was accused of getting money from sony, and micro went to ninty and asked (paid) for a game....miyamoto or no miyamoto...that game was going to 360...kojima or no kojima....konami gets what micro... i mean konami wants

A profitable release for once? :rolleyes:

[sirxlaughs]

nintendo has a console on the market....konami doesn't....if nintendo was just a developer, and developed only for ps3, and miyamoto was accused of getting money from sony, and micro went to ninty and asked (paid) for a game....miyamoto or no miyamoto...that game was going to 360...kojima or no kojima....konami gets what micro... i mean konami wants

Did you know that Kojima was vice-president of Konami until he formed his own company, Kojima Productions? He got tired of having to run the company and create games. If Konami was really strong arming him, why wouldn't he just quit and take his company with him? He obviously doesn't have problems with talent or game design. His reputation would also carry him in the business with Konami's name. If anything, Konami would lose out without someone like Kojima. Currently, he's a member of Konami's board. He has a lot of pull in the company.

[kingkneal09]

Did you know that Kojima was vice-president of Konami until he formed his own company, Kojima Productions? He got tired of having to run the company and create games. If Konami was really strong arming him, why wouldn't he just quit and take his company with him? He obviously doesn't have problems with talent or game design. His reputation would also carry him in the business with Konami's name. If anything, Konami would lose out without someone like Kojima. Currently, he's a member of Konami's board. He has a lot of pull in the company.

ahhh...but i thought konami owned the ip to metal gear, not kojima...and board member or no board member...investors have the last say at the end of the day...and dont care how powerful someone is in your company...when micro comes knocking at your door.............................................. (creepy cyborgy voice) resistance is futile :D

[sirxlaughs]

ahhh...but i thought konami owned the ip to metal gear, not kojima...and board member or no board member...investors have the last say at the end of the day...and dont care how powerful someone is in your company...when micro comes knocking at your door.............................................. (creepy cyborgy voice) resistance is futile :D

They own some of the Metal Gear series. I don't think they own anything he's made after 2005 with Kojima Productions. Either way, what I was trying to say, is that if he were really unhappy, he would have no problems making new games elsewhere. He's expressed the want to make a brand new IP.

[kingkneal09]

They own some of the Metal Gear series. I don't think they own anything he's made after 2005 with Kojima Productions. Either way, what I was trying to say, is that if he were really unhappy, he would have no problems making new games elsewhere. He's expressed the want to make a brand new IP.

then explain why he tried to distance himself and "the team that worked on mgs 4" from rising when it was first announced... :confused: ... and i didnt know he could make metal gear games without konami's permission...

[sirxlaughs]

then explain why he tried to distance himself and "the team that worked on mgs 4" from rising when it was first announced... :confused: ... and i didnt know he could make metal gear games without konami's permission...

He hasn't distanced himself. He's already explained it himself. It's a new game with a new and parallel story, and with new gameplay elements. Peace Walker will be classic MGS the way he has created it. He stated that Rising is a new game for the "youngbloods" so he will let the youngbloods in his company take control of the development. He will still be producing it and telling them if they do anything he doesn't like. He will not be designing the game. That's the main difference with Rising and Peace Walker. Kind of like how Miyamoto did not design Metroid Prime, but he made sure Retro didn't screw with his game. He approved of everything they did before they did it.
From Kojima:

"This is the next series of Metal Gear," he said. "It's of course stealth espionage action, but with Raiden in the lead. If some of you remember, I talked at GDC about how development is different in the US and Europe. We're testing this approach ourselves with this game." He also said the game is being created "with up-and-coming youngbloods, because the game is for youngbloods."

Kojima has expressed that Japanese developers have fallen behind Western developers in terms of innovation and such. Rising will be an attempt to try something different and see what happens.


Nonetheless, Metal Gear Solid Rising is still described by Kojima-san as the "next generation Metal Gear Solid 5."

[kingkneal09]

He hasn't distanced himself. He's already explained it himself. It's a new game with a new and parallel story, and with new gameplay elements. Peace Walker will be classic MGS the way he has created it. He stated that Rising is a new game for the "youngbloods" so he will let the youngbloods in his company take control of the development. He will still be producing it and telling them if they do anything he doesn't like. He will not be designing the game. That's the main difference with Rising and Peace Walker. Kind of like how Miyamoto did not design Metroid Prime, but he made sure Retro didn't screw with his game. He approved of everything they did before they did it.
From Kojima:


Kojima has expressed that Japanese developers have fallen behind Western developers in terms of innovation and such. Rising will be an attempt to try something different and see what happens.


Kojima has said many times in the past that he wants to stick with the PlayStation platform for this legendary titles, and the latest bit of info may hint at his belief. As you know by now, Metal Gear Solid: Rising has been announced for the Xbox 360 and PS3, and Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker was revealed yesterday for the PSP. Now, according to GameZine, which cited a recent Famitsu interview, Kojima won't be directing Rising and he's concentrating on Peace Walker. He said he's only "fully involved" with the PSP game, where he's acting as "director, producer and game designer" and actually calls Peace Walker the "Metal Gear Solid 5 inside me." As for Rising, he said:

"I'm not the director. I'm not doing game design either. Although, I do issue complaints (laughs). But, not too much."...

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/5250.html

looks like he is distancing himself to me...and i think he prefers to call peace walker...mgs 5...not rising...

this of course was all before some one with more pull (money) than him told him or someone over him to stfu...then oh, i'll be a lot close to rising than i said b4 ???

[msanchez]

I get it know, Kojima has an evil twin, or dual personality, or he's just saying what people want to hear at that moment. Either way, you guys seem to be going round and round with Kojima quotes.

Let's just assume that MGS Rising is the next true sequel in the main series.... so? does that mean the game is destined not to be enjoyable? If a group wants to disregard this game simply because it's multiplatform or not a real MGS game, then really it's probably their loss. For one I think it's very likely for konami to do a quality release on both platforms, and if it's not too similar to other MGS in gameplay, then it's not like I only play MGS-type games. If it has an interesting storyline (however silly, convoluted, or cutscene rich it is) I'll suffer through the gameplay since it's a Metal Gear game, and I just want to know what's up above all else. If Kojima wants to take a back seat in this one then that's fine, maybe this game will be better for it; since Kojima has been rather active in all releases of MG games it's not like we have any knowledge of what kind of game this will be if he's not too involved, so there's just as much of a chance of this being the best MG game ever, as there is of this being the worst disaster that a species has had to suffer through since the dino's got hit by a comet. Guess we'll see in a few months.

Anyways, if you don't want to buy the game, for whatever reasons you have, then just don't buy it; it's that simple.... I just picture how I would feel if someone tried to force me like/buy a halo game. Yes they can be the best console FPS or whatever anyone wants, but I don't wanna buy any of them.

[sirxlaughs]

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/5250.html

looks like he is distancing himself to me...and i think he prefers to call peace walker...mgs 5...not rising...

this of course was all before some one with more pull (money) than him told him or someone over him to stfu...then oh, i'll be a lot close to rising than i said b4 ???

He has called Peace Walker his own MGS 5 b/c it will be his story and his design. Rising will be designed by a new group of people with a new parallel story. That's why he called it the next Metal Gear Solid for the next generation or new generation. I don't remember now. He called it the new Metal Gear Solid series. Peace Walker is a sequel to his prequels. He will be overseeing Rising to make sure it's up to snuff, but he will not be designing or directing it. Again, you can keep clinging to your conspiracy theories and act like the 360 has a plague that developers don't want to catch. I'll look forward to seeing what his new development team can up with.

[kingkneal09]

He has called Peace Walker his own MGS 5 b/c it will be his story and his design. Rising will be designed by a new group of people with a new parallel story. That's why he called it the next Metal Gear Solid for the next generation or new generation. I don't remember now. He called it the new Metal Gear Solid series. Peace Walker is a sequel to his prequels. He will be overseeing Rising to make sure it's up to snuff, but he will not be designing or directing it. Again, you can keep clinging to your conspiracy theories and act like the 360 has a plague that developers don't want to catch. I'll look forward to seeing what his new development team can up with.

its not that, but the guy is one of the biggest die hard sony fans out there...and he has made that clear on numerous occasions (professionally of course)...