is it a pile of scrap?

[lil padawan]

i recently got another xbox ver. 1.6! the problem is the hard drive is missing! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

the question i have is there anything i can do to get it back to normal, working xbox? i do have other hard drives out of a PC handy, could i just backup my working xbox and transfer it's hard drive to the extra hdd(providing it is compatible)?

[MasterGouken]

i recently got another xbox ver. 1.6! the problem is the hard drive is missing! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

the question i have is there anything i can do to get it back to normal, working xbox? i do have other hard drives out of a PC handy, could i just backup my working xbox and transfer it's hard drive to the extra hdd(providing it is compatible)?

You'll need the hard drive key from the original hard drive that was in the xbox. Xbox hard drives are paired up and locked to their motherboard via a unique key. Without this the xbox will boot to an error screen no matter if you have only stock xbox dashboard files on the drive or not.

You could build yourself an eeprom reader and dump the xbox motherboards eeprom contents, then extract the hard drive key from there.
Then you would need to use an app called xbox hdm (hard drive manager) to build a new hard drive and lock it with the key you extracted. You need to make sure that the hard drive you are using is lockable too.
See xbox-scene.com/forums for a tutorial on how to do all this.

Alternatively you could just install a modchip. Then it wouldnt care if the hard drive was locked or not. It would still boot to a dashboard (provided the modchip is preflashed with a custom bios).

[lil padawan]

You'll need the hard drive key from the original hard drive that was in the xbox. Xbox hard drives are paired up and locked to their motherboard via a unique key. Without this the xbox will boot to an error screen no matter if you have only stock xbox dashboard files on the drive or not.

You could build yourself an eeprom reader and dump the xbox motherboards eeprom contents, then extract the hard drive key from there.
Then you would need to use an app called xbox hdm (hard drive manager) to build a new hard drive and lock it with the key you extracted. You need to make sure that the hard drive you are using is lockable too.
See xbox-scene.com/forums for a tutorial on how to do all this.

Alternatively you could just install a modchip. Then it wouldnt care if the hard drive was locked or not. It would still boot to a dashboard (provided the modchip is preflashed with a custom bios).

which of these methods would be easiest and cheapest? eeprom reader or modchip? i did look on xbox-scene, and the link to the tutorial for "restoring your original eeprom" is "NOT FOUND"

i did, however, look for another tutorial and came up with this: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/357863

does that look like what i need to do? or is there a better, more detailed tut?

[MasterGouken]

That seems like a pretty good tutorial for getting the hard drive key but i think the easiest method is to install a modchip (in my opinion). This also has the benefit of allowing a larger hard drive to be installed and the added benefit of homebrew/ripping games to your hard drive.
Just install the modchip, fit in a new IDE hard drive and use an installer disk to load up your dashboards, apps, etc.

Just make sure any modchip you buy is compatible with your v1.6 xbox, some chips also require an LPC rebuild/adaptor. Heres one chip that is great value and comes with everything you'll need:

http://www.xbox-modchips.com/smartxx.htm

[lil padawan]

That seems like a pretty good tutorial for getting the hard drive key but i think the easiest method is to install a modchip (in my opinion). This also has the benefit of allowing a larger hard drive to be installed and the added benefit of homebrew/ripping games to your hard drive.
Just install the modchip, fit in a new IDE hard drive and use an installer disk to load up your dashboards, apps, etc.

Just make sure any modchip you buy is compatible with your v1.6 xbox, some chips also require an LPC rebuild/adaptor. Heres one chip that is great value and comes with everything you'll need:

http://www.xbox-modchips.com/smartxx.htm

would it be cheaper to recover the eeprom or install modchip?

i can still install a larger hdd with softmod, couldn't i?

[MasterGouken]

would it be cheaper to recover the eeprom or install modchip?

i can still install a larger hdd with softmod, couldn't i?

It would be cheaper to build an eeprom reader obviously, but it is easier to fit a modchip. Yes you can install a larger hard drive but its much more difficult with a softmod as you have to prepare your new hard drive in a pc using xbox_hdm and lock it using your xbox hard drive lock/unlock key from the eeprom. Just make sure you understand all the steps involved before attempting this.

[lil padawan]

It would be cheaper to build an eeprom reader obviously, but it is easier to fit a modchip. Yes you can install a larger hard drive but its much more difficult with a softmod as you have to prepare your new hard drive in a pc using xbox_hdm and lock it using your xbox hard drive lock/unlock key from the eeprom. Just make sure you understand all the steps involved before attempting this.

ok, thanx MG!! i appreciate all the help! what is a way i can tell if the hdd is compatible (lockable, not lockable, etc.)? do i find out by using xbox_hdm?

[MasterGouken]

I think there's a thread on xbox-scene's forums about which hard drives are lockable. Personally I've found maxtor drives work great and are relatively cheap.
Happy to help, good luck getting the xbox up and running again.

[lil padawan]

I think there's a thread on xbox-scene's forums about which hard drives are lockable. Personally I've found maxtor drives work great and are relatively cheap.
Happy to help, good luck getting the xbox up and running again.

well i found out that i have either a v1.4 or 1.5, by checking it by the with software and chip check! although my friend told me i had a 1.6, smmfh! i think he tried to do it by looking a the SNs, and not taking it apart!

i ended up making an EEPROM reader, but i can't seem to get it working with the ponyprog! i connect the reader to the xbox, then to my PC. i do exactly what the tut tells me to, and i get a warning that server is busy!

i don't know what to do! i thought about coughing up the $35 bucks to get a solderless chip, but my budget won't allow for it!

[MasterGouken]

Did you calibrate the bus timing first? Check all of your connections are correctly soldered, you may have a short somewhere. Refer to the tutorial here:
http://www.llamma.com/xbox/Repairs/Reading_Xbox_Hdd_key.htm

[360addict]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[lil padawan]

Did you calibrate the bus timing first? Check all of your connections are correctly soldered, you may have a short somewhere. Refer to the tutorial here:
http://www.llamma.com/xbox/Repairs/Reading_Xbox_Hdd_key.htm

i setup, calibrated, then tried to connect and got the error message! i rechecked everything, and even rebuilt the reader making sure everything was correct (which it was)! i got the same message! that tut is the one i have been using, and i have been following it exactly!

the only conclusions i came up with is i am using a desktop, and that tut said something about a laptop! the other is i might not have a good connection to the EEPROM chip, since it is extremly tiny and i was having some problems getting the 2 probes to stay on pin 5 and 6 repectively! if that is the problem, any ideas on how to make great connection to those pins?

NOTE: THE XBOX BOX DOES POWER ON

what does all of the different colored lines for in this picture?

[MasterGouken]

the only conclusions i came up with is i am using a desktop, and that tut said something about a laptop!

As long as you're using a COM (serial) port it makes no difference. Did you check in device manager that you are using the correct COM port in ponyprog? Sometimes people have software that adds virtual ports for external devices such as mobile phones etc. Its worth checking for anything like that.


the other is i might not have a good connection to the EEPROM chip, since it is extremly tiny and i was having some problems getting the 2 probes to stay on pin 5 and 6 repectively! if that is the problem, any ideas on how to make great connection to those pins?

The best way is to solder the wires directly to the legs of the eeprom. This ensures a good connection and allows your hands to be free. You need a good solid connection to get a clean dump.



what does all of the different colored lines for in this picture?

That picture was borrowed from another tutorial (only because it showed the area of the xbox motherboard that is relevant to the eeprom reader tutorial), i think its a v1.6 xbox LPC rebuild diagram. Dont worry about that.

Something else to note that i found on xbox scene: "usually I have to try several times, turning the XBOX on and off and trying to get a read with Ponyprog 2000, it's tricky, so hang in there" - from a slightly different tutorial.
(http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=645714&st=30)
Page 3 shows how my own eeprom reader looks

[lil padawan]

As long as you're using a COM (serial) port it makes no difference. Did you check in device manager that you are using the correct COM port in ponyprog? Sometimes people have software that adds virtual ports for external devices such as mobile phones etc. Its worth checking for anything like that.



The best way is to solder the wires directly to the legs of the eeprom. This ensures a good connection and allows your hands to be free. You need a good solid connection to get a clean dump.




That picture was borrowed from another tutorial (only because it showed the area of the xbox motherboard that is relevant to the eeprom reader tutorial), i think its a v1.6 xbox LPC rebuild diagram. Dont worry about that.

Something else to note that i found on xbox scene: "usually I have to try several times, turning the XBOX on and off and trying to get a read with Ponyprog 2000, it's tricky, so hang in there" - from a slightly different tutorial.
(http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=645714&st=30)
Page 3 shows how my own eeprom reader looks

thanx again, MG!! i got it to work!! ur help is very, very, very much appreciated!!:D

i did think about soldering them down, but was scared of ruining the xbox (although that's what i did, solder them)! my connection problem was in the 9-pin connector tho! so i used 5 female pins, left out the connector body, and connected the pins by hand to pc!

[MasterGouken]

Happy to help :)

[lil padawan]

Happy to help :)

one other question i have MG! is there a softmod available that i could do on this xbox prior to me preparing the hdd! i don't have original 007: underfire, nor TC's splinter cell!

the only original games i have are:
sonic: riders
zapper: one wicked cricket
spongebob: the movie
spiderman 2
rainbow six 3: Black arrow
rainbow six 3
NFSU2
the suffering
showdown: legends of wrestling
dave mirra 2
madden 05
nascar 07
call of duty: FH
50 cent: bulletproof

[MasterGouken]

Sorry there are only 3 games that have the exploit and they are:

Mech Assault
007: Agent Under Fire
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell

So you'll need to find one of these (dont get the classics range versions though as they may not work). Try 2nd hand video games shops/ebay, they should be very cheap now.

[lil padawan]

Sorry there are only 3 games that have the exploit and they are:

Mech Assault
007: Agent Under Fire
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell

So you'll need to find one of these (dont get the classics range versions though as they may not work). Try 2nd hand video games shops/ebay, they should be very cheap now.

i didn't think there was, but i thought it best to check 1st! thanx again MG, you're the greatest! :cool::cool::cool:

i went out and bought both original Splinter Cell and platinum hits Agent Under Fire! I have no clue if Agent Under Fire will work tho, since it is platinum hits version! any ideas?

[MasterGouken]

i didn't think there was, but i thought it best to check 1st! thanx again MG, you're the greatest! :cool::cool::cool:

i went out and bought both original Splinter Cell and platinum hits Agent Under Fire! I have no clue if Agent Under Fire will work tho, since it is platinum hits version! any ideas?


Well i have a "classics" version of Splinter Cell and it works fine for me. Im not sure if your version of 007 is patched or not, just try it, it will either work or freeze the xbox/bring up a message equivalent to "gamesave corrupt - unable to load". Your Splinter Cell will work fine though :)

[lil padawan]

Well i have a "classics" version of Splinter Cell and it works fine for me. Im not sure if your version of 007 is patched or not, just try it, it will either work or freeze the xbox/bring up a message equivalent to "gamesave corrupt - unable to load". Your Splinter Cell will work fine though :)

CRAP!! XBOX IS TURNING ON, THEN OFF, THEN ON AGAIN (FLASHING BETWEEN GREEN AND ORANGE DURING THIS TIME)! WHEN IT FINALLY TURNS ON AND STAYS ON, IT FLASHES BETWEEN RED AND GREEN! SCARY PART IS, IT WAS ONLY FLASHING ORANGE AND GREEN BEFORE I TRIED TO PUT MY HDD IN XBOX!

[MasterGouken]

Ok i need to know all the steps you've taken so far. Have you dumped your eeprom data, created a hard drive with xboxhdm and locked it using the hard drive lock/unlock code from that eeprom data?

If so, have you plugged the IDE cable and power cables in to the drives/mainboard correctly, also do you have an AV cable plugged in? These are the most common causes of frag (flashing red and green) lights.

When you unsoldered the eeprom reader did you check that no solder got anywhere else it shouldnt be on the main board? Is there any remaining solder on the eeprom legs that are joining 2 or more of them? Any short on the board would also cause a frag.

Edit: Just found this on xbox-hq, it may help:

1. Flashing Red and Orange (Amber): Video display problem, check cord. Also try switching to another video mode by changing the cable. It could be damaged hardware (Video controller, or MCPX).

2. Tries To Boot Three Times and then starts flashing red and green: Also Known as "Christmas Lights" Failed mod chip install, and broken traces on the motherboard.

3. Flashing Red and Green: Numerous causes, general system failure. This also happens when you eject a game disc after launching it from the EvoX Dashboard, HD_Loader, or after ejecting a DVD movie from DVD2.0, AND, the HDD is not locked (is looking to run the M$Dash on exit). The MCPX chip is overheating or damaged. If the problem is intermittent, try placing a heatsink on the MCPX and cleaning out your Xbox (The MCPX chip is the one with the nvidia logo on it).

4. GREEN for half a sec then RED Flashing: Bad/Corrupted or Empty Eeprom. Also, see flashing green.

5. SOLID RED: System overheated , hardware failure, bad eeprom...

6. Steady GREEN:: For V1.0 and V1.1 Xbox - Primary bank of 1MB EEPROM has become corrupted.

7. Solid Green, No Audio/Video: Audio setting problem caused by a HD pack, or video settings. Try booting with a standard AV pack instead, and reset your video settings.

8. Flashing Green & Orange AV Cable is not plugged into the AV port.

9. Flashing Orange: Could be overheating. Could also be a damaged trave on the motherboard, or a drop of solder on the main board splashed and bridged points on the mainboard.

10. Solid Green with No Eject/Audio/Video: Possibly a bad connection to the mod chip, check all your points thoroughly. Can be caused by overheating, so check that the fan is connected.

11. Flashing green means a bad Bios Load: - Incomplete or corrupted bios. V1.0 and 1.1 can be fixed, a MOD chip (EEPROM w/Bios) may also fix the problem.

[lil padawan]

Ok i need to know all the steps you've taken so far. Have you dumped your eeprom data, created a hard drive with xboxhdm and locked it using the hard drive lock/unlock code from that eeprom data?

i unhooked my pc HDDs, then hooked up xtra HDD, used "overkill" disk to wipe it clean, then i put HDD into XBOX and tried to use a slayer's evox disc as per what my friend was telling me to do! only dvd-rom wouldn't open! i never did put eeprom or anything on HDD, just thought ya done that with boot cd!


When you unsoldered the eeprom reader did you check that no solder got anywhere else it shouldnt be on the main board? Is there any remaining solder on the eeprom legs that are joining 2 or more of them? Any short on the board would also cause a frag.

i double checked them and made sure there wasn't anything that would mess it up! i did see that tut, cause i was frantic about the flashing lights!

[MasterGouken]

i unhooked my pc HDDs, then hooked up xtra HDD, used "overkill" disk to wipe it clean, then i put HDD into XBOX and tried to use a slayer's evox disc as per what my friend was telling me to do! only dvd-rom wouldn't open! i never did put eeprom or anything on HDD, just thought ya done that with boot cd!

Thats why you have flashing red and green lights. Basically the hard drive needs to be formatted to FATX (xbox file system) and have the xbox dashboard files on it. It also needs to be locked using the info from the eeprom. Thats where xboxhdm comes in.

You cant just drop a hard drive in unless it has a mod chip or a flashed TSOP.
As this was a stock xbox (just minus the hard drive) your only 2 options are to use an eeprom dump to get your hard drive lock key and build a new hard drive using xboxhdm or fit a modchip to the LPC.
Heres a tutorial for using xboxhdm:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=244043

The xbox does several checks prior to booting which includes checking the hard drive for the correct key (and checking that it is locked to the motherboard) so there is no way it would boot an installer disk in its current state.

[lil padawan]

Thats why you have flashing red and green lights. Basically the hard drive needs to be formatted to FATX (xbox file system) and have the xbox dashboard files on it. It also needs to be locked using the info from the eeprom. Thats where xboxhdm comes in.

You cant just drop a hard drive in unless it has a mod chip or a flashed TSOP.
As this was a stock xbox (just minus the hard drive) your only 2 options are to use an eeprom dump to get your hard drive lock key and build a new hard drive using xboxhdm or fit a modchip to the LPC.
Heres a tutorial for using xboxhdm:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=244043

The xbox does several checks prior to booting which includes checking the hard drive for the correct key (and checking that it is locked to the motherboard) so there is no way it would boot an installer disk in its current state.

i tried to make an iso with nero 6 and it is too big for cd-r, do i need to make it on dvd-r? i know that is probably a stupid question, sorry!

just as a precaution to make sure, i copy both c and e drives from modded xbox (changing the eeprom files for broken xbox eeprom) to the respective folders in xboxhdm, finally i run "make-iso-win.bin" and it make a rar file! then i burn xboxhdm folder into an iso with nero 6? disconnect pc hdd, connect xbox hdd to pc and run the iso disc?

[MasterGouken]

i tried to make an iso with nero 6 and it is too big for cd-r, do i need to make it on dvd-r? i know that is probably a stupid question, sorry!

It shouldnt be bigger than a cd. You need the standard Microsoft dashboard files from an unmodded xbox's C partition and the TDATA and UDATA folders from an unmodded xbox'x E partition as well as your eeprom dump. As explained in the tutorial i linked to earlier, you can get these standard MS dash files from the Slayers installer disk (just open slayers on your pc and copy/paste the files into the xboxhdm folders) or Auto Installer Deluxe (newest is v4.40) as that also has the microsoft dashboard files on it.


just as a precaution to make sure, i copy both c and e drives from modded xbox (changing the eeprom files for broken xbox eeprom) to the respective folders in xboxhdm, finally i run "make-iso-win.bin" and it make a rar file! then i burn xboxhdm folder into an iso with nero 6?

C and E on a modded xbox will contain different dashboards, possibly emulators, videos, games etc. You need the standard xbox C and E files, that may be why the disk image is too big.

When you run make-iso-win.bat it will create an .iso file. It may look like a .rar but its a disk image, just right click it and choose "Open with> nero burning rom".

Remember to set the new xbox hard drive's jumper to master before you plug it into the pc to use xboxhdm and use the primary IDE channel, keep your pc dvd/cd drive on the primary IDE channel (set as slave on the jumpers on the back).


disconnect pc hdd, connect xbox hdd to pc and run the iso disc?

The disk made by xboxhdm goes into your PC, its used to create the file system on the blank hard drive. Put the disk into the pc's dvd/cd rom, ensure the blank hard drive is plugged into the pc and boot from the cd, choose option 1, then type "xboxhd" (without the quotes) then press "Y" to continue.

Now choose option 1 (build a new xbox hard drive from scratch) and follow the tutorial i posted from there.

[lil padawan]

i have 8 discs my friend burnt when he done xbox! he had a xbox w/mod-chip, & xbox w/softmod! slayer's "evox auto installer v2.5 final", "evox auto installer v2 final", "evtool 1.0.9 + m8 bio", "evox 1.8.3285", "new hdd evox boot cd", "evox dash boot disc", "xeniom os. 2.3.0 restore factory default"! in addition, i can't read the discs with just the pc(other hdds attached!) to get the files of original xbox! am i doing something wrong?

[MasterGouken]

the easiest way to get the xbox files is to download AID to your pc. Go here (assuming you know how to download using torrents):

Www.aidtracker.com and download the second torrent on the list (it's a cd image of AID 4.40).open the .torrent with any torrent client (Eg: utorrent) and download the disk image.

Open it with winrar once you have the disk image (right click>open with/extract to...).

Now you can see all of the files in the disk image so just browse the extracted files for the xbox dash files and copy them into xboxhdm's folders.

[lil padawan]

Now you can see all of the files in the disk image so just browse the extracted files for the xbox dash files and copy them into xboxhdm's folders.

which ones are the folders needed? i look in the bios folder, and it has 5 folders (1mb), (256k), (512k), (debug), and (ms)! i thought i was looking for "C" and "E"?

[MasterGouken]

The microsoft dash files are in the Auto.Installer.Deluxe.v4.40.iso.
You will have to open this iso with a PC program called SimpleXISOv03 (i tried with winrar but the disk format is unsupported, SimpleXISO works fine. Sorry i thought winrar could open it :o my mistake)

Heres a link to SimpleXISO:
http://rapidshare.com/files/178796672/SimpleXISOv03.rar.html


Once you have extracted the AID image, you will see some folders. The Microsoft dash files are in the "Files" folder, then "Dash" folder. They are in .rar files (open with winrar) named "ms-c" (the C: drive files) and "ms-e" (the E: drive files).

[lil padawan]

The microsoft dash files are in the Auto.Installer.Deluxe.v4.40.iso.
You will have to open this iso with a PC program called SimpleXISOv03 (i tried with winrar but the disk format is unsupported, SimpleXISO works fine. Sorry i thought winrar could open it :o my mistake)

Heres a link to SimpleXISO:
http://rapidshare.com/files/178796672/SimpleXISOv03.rar.html


Once you have extracted the AID image, you will see some folders. The Microsoft dash files are in the "Files" folder, then "Dash" folder. They are in .rar files (open with winrar) named "ms-c" (the C: drive files) and "ms-e" (the E: drive files).

ok i did that, ran make-iso-win, that made an iso (win-rar) named linux! do i burn the entire xboxhdm folder, or just the linux iso?

and is there any way to include the softmod save for both 007 and splinter cell on hdd at this point? or do i have to wait til later and use the usb method?

[MasterGouken]

ok i did that, ran make-iso-win, that made an iso (win-rar) named linux! do i burn the entire xboxhdm folder, or just the linux iso?

and is there any way to include the softmod save for both 007 and splinter cell on hdd at this point? or do i have to wait til later and use the usb method?

Just burn the linux iso. If you want to add in a softmod heres a tutorial:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263

It looks quite complicated though.

[lil padawan]

Just burn the linux iso. If you want to add in a softmod heres a tutorial:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263

It looks quite complicated though.

ok thanx MG!! like i said ur the greatest! thank you for sticking by me during this process! i want to thank EVERYONE that wrote the TUTs and progs for this processes, as well!

i finally got hdd into xbox and it almost started working no probs! music played and the green lava screen came up, then xbox screen, and finally a service required screen came up! right away i knew what the problem was, (hdd was not locked)! so i went back to the "linux" disc trying to lock hdd, only it is not lockable! i looked up the hdd b4 i started this project and it was on both the lockable and non-lockable lists respectively! so i had to try to find out, neither hdd worked! i do know that i am on the right track tho!! :cool::cool::cool::cool:

i took "CNS" (computer network systems) program at itt tech back in 03 - 05! we never learned anything about the xbox, nor its file systems! so it made this a lil' challenging! the easy part was building the eeprom reader board (minus the female serial body giving me fits, lol!) the hard part was trying to figure out how to get the original xbox files, but once you told me about the s/w to extract it, that made it easier! :D;):p

once again, THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH!!

[MasterGouken]

ok thanx MG!! like i said ur the greatest! thank you for sticking by me during this process! i want to thank EVERYONE that wrote the TUTs and progs for this processes, as well!

i finally got hdd into xbox and it almost started working no probs! music played and the green lava screen came up, then xbox screen, and finally a service required screen came up! right away i knew what the problem was, (hdd was not locked)! so i went back to the "linux" disc trying to lock hdd, only it is not lockable! i looked up the hdd b4 i started this project and it was on both the lockable and non-lockable lists respectively! so i had to try to find out, neither hdd worked! i do know that i am on the right track tho!! :cool::cool::cool::cool:

i took "CNS" (computer network systems) program at itt tech back in 03 - 05! we never learned anything about the xbox, nor its file systems! so it made this a lil' challenging! the easy part was building the eeprom reader board (minus the female serial body giving me fits, lol!) the hard part was trying to figure out how to get the original xbox files, but once you told me about the s/w to extract it, that made it easier! :D;):p

once again, THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH!!

Im glad that you're almost there, you just need a lockable drive and you're done (well except for the softmod).
Yes it does help to have the right software, im just sorry i forgot that its needed to browse an xbox .iso (i would have said so earlier if i had remembered lol).

Glad to help, after all, every (lil) padawan needs a Master(Gouken)...sorry couldnt resist :o:D

[lil padawan]

Im glad that you're almost there, you just need a lockable drive and you're done (well except for the softmod).
Yes it does help to have the right software, im just sorry i forgot that its needed to browse an xbox .iso (i would have said so earlier if i had remembered lol).

don't worry about it!! i forget things all the time! i'm just glad ya did remember, it helped! lol


Glad to help, after all, every (lil) padawan needs a Master(Gouken)...sorry couldnt resist :o:D

my bro gave me that nickname! he always says and i quote "I AM THE YODA, AND YOU'RE MY LIL' PADAWAN!" :p we're all nerds (so says people that are'nt into star wars) in this fam, if ya can't tell, lol! considering all the help ya gave me, you're statement is correct! lol