Sony: We're interested in letting people play PS2 games on their PS3

[Zeus]

GamePro recently asked Sony's John Koller if Sony will ever provide downloadable PS2 games to play on the PS3. "We're still sorting through that. We're absolutely interested, but there are some technical hurdles there that we have to overcome first. But this is something that we're absolutely interested in. You make good points, there are a lot of people who would be interested in playing the strongest PS2 games on their PS3. Nothing's imminent on that, but it's something we are interested in as well." he replied.

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News Source: <a href="http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/208283/sony-talks-playstation-3-psp-success-in-2009/" target=_blank">gamepro</a>

[danight]

what happened to sonys E3 promise a couple years back when they said "every ps3 will be 100% backwards compatible"?


E3 2006


5:09 PM PST -- PlayStation 3. PlayStation influences the world, and all of the cool goodies of PS3 and its cell will help to change the world. PS3 will include HDD and do true HD and Dolby Surround Sound.

Back-catalog compatibility: All PS games promised for backward-compatibility, as well as DVD and other media used on PlayStation systems. PSP will also connect with PS3
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705742p1.html

[ajpowerranger]

mmm sounds like they got rid of backwards compatible just so they could start to sell ps2 games on the store. Good job my ps3 is the proper version!

[Appleseed]

if they are interested in providing backwards compatibility then why did they take out the emotion chip? oh right. to reduce costs. well hope it worked out for em. well, yes it absolutely did work. if they were going for being number 3.

[shinnkun]

Would be cool they made an update that would rip a PS2 disc onto the HDD so u don't have to buy the game....but that ain't gonna happen :p

[Kr155]

if they are interested in providing backwards compatibility then why did they take out the emotion chip? oh right. to reduce costs. well hope it worked out for em. well, yes it absolutely did work. if they were going for being number 3.

with all do respect they were third place when they had bc. since they dropped it thier sales have gone up quite a bit. im not saying it doesnt suck im glad i have my 60gb. but they needed to revamp thier strategy and bring costs down to survive. and for me since i have my 60gb im much more interested in seeing ps3 survive and continue to be supported. they made alot of over the top promises. but if they still offered a dual hdmi 6 usb port, dual cell with 9 cores mostrosity with 120hz on every game id probably have a $600 paper weight now instead of a worthwile console

[XxBigP123xX]

what happened to sonys E3 promise a couple years back when they said "every ps3 will be 100% backwards compatible"?


E3 2006

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705742p1.html

At launch, they were.

[Galgor]

Why did he say "nothing is imminent"?? Hmmm...maybe because they're bringing out the update with the software emulator for all PS3's BEFORE Christmas. Big surprise it will not be.

Suck on them apples.

[Ryupower]

Would be cool they made an update that would rip a PS2 disc onto the HDD so u don't have to buy the game....but that ain't gonna happen :p

PS1 games as well (and you can send them to the psp)

so you dont need to buy the same OLD game a 2nd time just to play it on your PSP (with OFW)

[Robotron]

Funny how everyone jumps all over Sony for this, but they let it slide for MS.
I have the 80GB PS3 and have no BC issues at all(and I've played some great PS1/PS2 titles). The virtual memory cards were a great idea.
The only old Xbox game that runs on my 360 is Halo. Guess I should have bought Barbie Horse Adventures.

[gerbilboy]

Funny how everyone jumps all over Sony for this, but they let it slide for MS.
I have the 80GB PS3 and have no BC issues at all(and I've played some great PS1/PS2 titles). The virtual memory cards were a great idea.
The only old Xbox game that runs on my 360 is Halo. Guess I should have bought Barbie Horse Adventures.

That's Maxbotconsole for you, it's ok for MS but not for Sony to make mistakes:rolleyes:

[chucky_uk]

Funny how everyone jumps all over Sony for this, but they let it slide for MS.
I have the 80GB PS3 and have no BC issues at all(and I've played some great PS1/PS2 titles). The virtual memory cards were a great idea.
The only old Xbox game that runs on my 360 is Halo. Guess I should have bought Barbie Horse Adventures.

Their is loads of games which work. To say Halo is the only game is bullshit

[snipersnake]

That's Maxbotconsole for you, it's ok for MS but not for Sony to make mistakes:rolleyes:

shut up!

apparently HDMI is not needed :D

[MadMax31]

shut up!

apparently HDMI is not needed :D

It isn't, if you don't have hdmi you can't play games in HD? it's a feature that is slightly better than component, and you still need to buy the damn cable as Sony couldn't afford to package a $3 dlr cable with the console.

[MadMax31]

Funny how everyone jumps all over Sony for this, but they let it slide for MS.
I have the 80GB PS3 and have no BC issues at all(and I've played some great PS1/PS2 titles). The virtual memory cards were a great idea.
The only old Xbox game that runs on my 360 is Halo. Guess I should have bought Barbie Horse Adventures.

Maybe that's because you only have Halo?

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember MS saying that the 360 would have full BC?

All companies make mistakes / lies, but Sony have the worst record of lies and BS, they make good products that would shine better if their PR people could keep their mouth shut.

Like their infamous "The HD era begins until we say so" :rolleyes:

[msanchez]

I can't say I think this is a good, scratch that, an honest move on their part. They did talk about BC a lot before, they yanked it out and now they want to throw it back in.... but you'll have to re-buy your games? I honestly wouldn't show support to this initiative myself; unless they make it so I can unlock the downloads for the games I own, that is. To be 100% honest, I think they should just focus the resources they have, or are planning, to put on this on something that focuses more on the FUTURE, instead of the past.

This coming from someone who still has his ps2 hooked up next to the ps3, I actually have a BC ps3, but I've yet to try BC on it.

[snipersnake]

It isn't, if you don't have hdmi you can't play games in HD? it's a feature that is slightly better than component, and you still need to buy the damn cable as Sony couldn't afford to package a $3 dlr cable with the console.
:D

If you cant afford to buy a $3 cable , you have no business gaming in the first place.

[gerbilboy]

Maybe that's because you only have Halo?

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember MS saying that the 360 would have full BC?

All companies make mistakes / lies, but Sony have the worst record of lies and BS, they make good products that would shine better if their PR people could keep their mouth shut.

Like their infamous "The HD era begins until we say so" :rolleyes:

Personally, I didn't care/hear about HD before Blu-Ray and the PS3....

[Kr155]

Maybe that's because you only have Halo?

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember MS saying that the 360 would have full BC?

All companies make mistakes / lies, but Sony have the worst record of lies and BS, they make good products that would shine better if their PR people could keep their mouth shut.

Like their infamous "The HD era begins until we say so" :rolleyes:

lol yeah so imfamous. that overconfident marketing slogan really hurt alot of people. lol. how about the infamous "we are not aware of a problem with the reliability of our console" 2 years, many repairs charged by micosoft, and a gamepro article claiming every launch console is practically guarenteed to break prematurly later. "we had no idea we were shipping so many replacments here's a 3 year warenty, oh but it doesnt cover the disc scratch issue, we are still denying that one" yeah ms is rosy compared to sonys demonic marketing. turn on the tv and watch a few comercials i bet your head will explode

[dgknight500]

and you still need to buy the damn cable as Sony couldn't afford to package a $3 dlr cable with the console.

HDMI cable from Ebay - $5
Official Bluetooth Headset - $50
Knowing you don't have to pay to play online - Priceless

[msanchez]

HDMI cable from Ebay - $5
Official Bluetooth Headset - $50
Knowing you don't have to pay to play online - Priceless

That's pretty funny. You just reminded me I need to buy SOCOM soon (for the headset).

[dsav]

bottom line neither company is perfect, but to support BC then take out the hardware then support it again via software ?

which in turn makes them more money cuz the cost to dl ps2 games.

heres to hoping for ps3 cfw so we can rip our own ps2 games and play them.

[arashb]

Don't see why they can't just emulate the Emotion Chip, I'm sure there's enough power if KZ2 only uses 60% of the power, oh well my PS2 was modded and I still have mine if I ever get those extremely rare urges to even look at it. Sure the console was the best console ever out but I played all the greatest games on it and now it's time for new generation of games. I don't even use my 360 to play any original xbox games, not that any of them were near the PS2 quality. Well I guess I would play Socom 2 and 3 online with the PS3 if I could, since confrontation sucks....


if they are interested in providing backwards compatibility then why did they take out the emotion chip? oh right. to reduce costs. well hope it worked out for em. well, yes it absolutely did work. if they were going for being number 3.

Good one!

edit-
MadMax HDMI is not *slightly* better than components, 720p = 1080i, 360 lines of resolution you aren't getting, just think of it as everyone who has a PS3 is getting 1/3 more out of their TV than people who have a non-elite 360.

[grapeape]

Funny how everyone jumps all over Sony for this, but they let it slide for MS.
I have the 80GB PS3 and have no BC issues at all(and I've played some great PS1/PS2 titles). The virtual memory cards were a great idea.
The only old Xbox game that runs on my 360 is Halo. Guess I should have bought Barbie Horse Adventures.

Wow that must be one hell of a collection, over 400 games on the compatibility list and you only have 1 of them?

People are jumping on sony because when the current gen was announced Sony was the one harping on its backwards compatibility. Then conveniently drop it from the consoles and dismiss it as an unimportant feature, then come up with a plan for one game at a time emulation? The only way they can save face on this one is if they offer them free for those that already own the game, MS does it and thats why people didn't freak when they started offering Xbox Classics. Its still early, who knows maybe thats their intention, no sense in speculating until we know for sure. If it does turn into a pure money grab its going to turn off alot of gamers, Sony should be smart enough to know that. Sony is a weird animal...hard to reason some of their methods but you have to assume that after being in the game this long someone surely knows what they are doing.

[MadMax31]

Don't see why they can't just emulate the Emotion Chip, I'm sure there's enough power if KZ2 only uses 60% of the power, oh well my PS2 was modded and I still have mine if I ever get those extremely rare urges to even look at it. Sure the console was the best console ever out but I played all the greatest games on it and now it's time for new generation of games. I don't even use my 360 to play any original xbox games, not that any of them were near the PS2 quality. Well I guess I would play Socom 2 and 3 online with the PS3 if I could, since confrontation sucks....



Good one!

edit-
MadMax HDMI is not *slightly* better than components, 720p = 1080i, 360 lines of resolution you aren't getting, just think of it as everyone who has a PS3 is getting 1/3 more out of their TV than people who have a non-elite 360.

720P is no equal to 1080i (I have been in the TV design business for some years, so I know) 720P = 1280x720 progressive scan, 1080i = 1080p, both are 1920x1080 only i is interlaced scan and p is progressive scan.

Also do you what percentage of the population have a 1080P capable TV???

[MadMax31]

lol yeah so imfamous. that overconfident marketing slogan really hurt alot of people. lol. how about the infamous "we are not aware of a problem with the reliability of our console" 2 years, many repairs charged by micosoft, and a gamepro article claiming every launch console is practically guarenteed to break prematurly later. "we had no idea we were shipping so many replacments here's a 3 year warenty, oh but it doesnt cover the disc scratch issue, we are still denying that one" yeah ms is rosy compared to sonys demonic marketing. turn on the tv and watch a few comercials i bet your head will explode

Agree with you on MS RROD issue, but at least they did something (they deserve to pay for stupid design mistakes), on the disc scratch, I have a lot of games and never had an issue and I have had several drives (samsung, hitachi, lite on) I still believe people move the console when playing and that obviously will scratch it, I could be wrong though.

[MadMax31]

:D

If you cant afford to buy a $3 cable , you have no business gaming in the first place.

So by your logic, Sony have no business in gaming, because they couldn't afford it, right?

[msanchez]

...you have to assume that after being in the game this long someone surely knows what they are doing.

Oh really? common aren't you giving them just a tad too much credit here? Well I hope you're right though.... but I'm leaning more towards sony pissing off a lot of people; actually, maybe not a lot of people to tell the truth. Out of the people that I know who have a ps3, NONE of them actually still plays ps2 games on it, or at all. The ps3's library is not as the barren lifeless desert it once was, so unless you are really picky about you're gaming then you should be able to find 4 - 5 good games to play.

[saxxx]

I've got a feeling they've been working on a 100% software emulator for a while now but as they've said it's probably very difficult. I think it's always been their intention to have backward compatability but they can't announce anything until they're near certain the software will work.

On that note - is it really a big deal? Who doesn't have a PS2? lol

[showstopper]

So even sony are having trouble coding soemthing to run properly on the ps3??!

[Kamalot]

Nobody gave Microsoft a free ride when it came to the 360's crummy backwards compatibility... but Microsoft didn't claim that all Xbox games would play on the 360, did they?

Sony pulled a bait-and-switch. There are STILL people who come into the store thinking that the PS3 will play PS2 games...

This hype about playing PS2 games on the PS3 is nothing more than that... hype. I've had Sony lie to me so many times, that I won't believe BC on every PS3 until it becomes true. Until then, it is nothing more than a rumor or a Sony lie.

Edit: And for all those who say "Who wants to play PS2 games?" If that's the case then why are Sony even looking into this? If that's the case, why spend ANY resources on it at all?

Truth is, a great game is a great game, even for older systems. I play games form every system out there> Retro gaming is hot, and a number of old games have never been topped. Would you be willing to trade the entire PS2 library for the entire PS3 library? I have a PS3, and I wouldn't ever give up on my PS2 classics!

BTW, PS2 games play very well on an original 20 Gig PS3 using the screen smoothing. Removes a lot of the PS2 artifacting and jaggies. Beautiful!

[onyxx]

So even sony are having trouble coding soemthing to run properly on the ps3??!

I don't think its that... I think they have the backwards compatible software made and are planning to make it downloadable on the PSN. The problem is they will want to charge for it an are trying to figure out how to receive minimal customer backlash.

[Anil8tr]

I don't think its that... I think they have the backwards compatible software made and are planning to make it downloadable on the PSN. The problem is they will want to charge for it an are trying to figure out how to receive minimal customer backlash.

They not only want to charge for the BC, they also want to charge for games many of us already own. They couldn't even get the games people wanted to play from PSOne on the PSP right on PSN (unless your are running CFW, your selection of PSOne titles on the PSP is pretty crappy). What makes them think they'll get this right? The only way they'll satisfy everyone is to make it free and rip your own games to the hard drive. Does the PS3 play backups yet? Nope. So original discs will need to be used (that will help verify legal ownership of the title) and they can use a disc check similar to what NXE does to avoid the mass rental/rip/turn-in crowd. It's not rocket science. They are just trying to close the gap in what's already been lost profit wise from them by charging for stuff we should get for free anyway. Just do it, give the people what we want and keep us as customers instead of thinking you know what is in your customer's best interests when you obviously don't. Listen to us Sony!

[Snaileater]

I don't think its that... I think they have the backwards compatible software made and are planning to make it downloadable on the PSN. The problem is they will want to charge for it an are trying to figure out how to receive minimal customer backlash.

Since they're old games, 10-20$ is fine with me. I wouldn't mind paying 20$ for a game like Shadow of the Colossus.

[Spnoz]

HDMI cable from Ebay - $5
Official Bluetooth Headset - $50
Knowing you don't have to pay to play online - Priceless

Personnaly, I don't find paying about a buck per week for online gaming to be expensive enough to be worth b!tching about. Even less to be used as an argument between consoles. Talk about being a total cheap a$$. A BUCK PER WEEK. Anyone trying to use that argument in a stupid fanboy comparison of consoles is seriously lacking both money and common sense.

Sure, "free" always beat "not free" but if you consider not having to pay about $1 per week to be worth being called a "priceless" feature, sh!t, get a job my friend. You're seriously in dire need of money.

The cost of LIVE is a non-issue.


...

And about that PS3 retro-compatibility thing, well, shame on Sony. It's not because I desperately want to play PS2 games now, but I have limited connections on my TV set and I don't want to have a gazilllion systems hooked up to it, and making my shelves looking like a complete overcrowded mess. I kept a lot of good PS2 games in my library, and I would have liked very much the ability to play both PS3 and PS2 games on ONE system. It's just much more convenient.

It won't prevent me in getting a PS3 eventually, but still, it's a real blunder on Sony's part to have removed the compatibility from the PS3. As even the 360 has some sort of backward compatibility (limited to about 400 titles, I admit, but it's better than nothing at all).

[Boco]

Hope they will make it better then BC from the EU 60GB version.

[grapeape]

Oh really? common aren't you giving them just a tad too much credit here? Well I hope you're right though.... but I'm leaning more towards sony pissing off a lot of people; actually, maybe not a lot of people to tell the truth. Out of the people that I know who have a ps3, NONE of them actually still plays ps2 games on it, or at all. The ps3's library is not as the barren lifeless desert it once was, so unless you are really picky about you're gaming then you should be able to find 4 - 5 good games to play.

Im trying to be optimistic, but my tin foil hat tells me that I can expect that the reason why they are doing this and the reason home is so barren of clothes and other objects is that their plan is to attempt to nickel and time us to death...but I still hope the tinfoil at is wrong.

I still have a ton of PS2 rpg's that I own but never got around to playing, and lots of PS2 games that I still enjoy. I have a 60gig so it doesnt matter to me but the slow to upgrade crowd is more married to their current console than the early adopters...most of my friends that havent picked up a current gen console use their "huge" ps2 library as their excuse not to.

[Kamalot]

Im trying to be optimistic, but my tin foil hat tells me that I can expect that the reason why they are doing this and the reason home is so barren of clothes and other objects is that their plan is to attempt to nickel and time us to death...but I still hope the tinfoil at is wrong.

I still have a ton of PS2 rpg's that I own but never got around to playing, and lots of PS2 games that I still enjoy. I have a 60gig so it doesnt matter to me but the slow to upgrade crowd is more married to their current console than the early adopters...most of my friends that havent picked up a current gen console use their "huge" ps2 library as their excuse not to.

Damn GrapeApe, you got a good head on your shoulders. I gotta agree with you that the slow to upgrade crowd is more married to their current console than the early adopters. They are also more price sensitive and find more value in their collection of games. Old games are still perfectly good games.

[msanchez]

..Edit: And for all those who say "Who wants to play PS2 games?" If that's the case then why are Sony even looking into this? If that's the case, why spend ANY resources on it at all?

Truth is, a great game is a great game, even for older systems. I play games form every system out there> Retro gaming is hot, and a number of old games have never been topped. Would you be willing to trade the entire PS2 library for the entire PS3 library? I have a PS3, and I wouldn't ever give up on my PS2 classics!

BTW, PS2 games play very well on an original 20 Gig PS3 using the screen smoothing. Removes a lot of the PS2 artifacting and jaggies. Beautiful!

It's not that people don't want to play ps2 games, but those that really do want to play them probably haven't upgraded yet, and if they have most will still have their ps2 next to their TVs still (I'm one of them). I for one haven't been able to beat MGS4 yet, why? because what little play time I have I usually spend it on VP2:Silmeria, and after that I need to see if I finally get to beat FF XII which has me under some sort of strange curse. Everytime I'm 35 - 40 hrs into the game sh*t happens. I'll put it to you this way, one time just at the moment I was saving my game, the electricity almost went out.... you guessed it HELLO corrupted memory card.

That said, I still belive that the more ps3 games that get released the less people will care about ps2 games. I love retro gaming as much as the next guy, MAME, SNES, NES, PC Engine, Genesis, Megadrive, Lynx, Game Gear, GBA, etc, etc, I have full romsets for all those systems, and I play them every now and then (specially shooters on MAME, and rpgs on the SNES), but I'm not so passionate about it. Maybe I take it for granted because I can do it. Still if you are SOOOO interested in playing ps2 games, then you must have a few to play... and if you have a few ps2 games.... then you have a ps2... pretty self explanatory.