Sony: Copying others is the worst thing we can do

[Zeus]

Sony's Jack Tretton has remarked that Sony has a plan for the PS3 and the worst thing they could do is look at the competition and try and emulate what they are doing. His comments come as he was hyping up Playstation Home.



“I don’t know enough about Microsoft’s avatars. I think we’re going in a bit of a different direction with Home. We made a line in the sand and made a strategic decision on Home and that’s where we’re going,” said SCEA president Jack Tretton.

“My understanding is that it’s a more simplified vision. That may be enough for some and not enough for others. We are who we are. You have to be who you are. You can’t backpedal down a road if it doesn’t appear it’s going to plan. You have to be aware of what’s not resounding with people.”

“We’ve got a plan for PS3. I think the worst thing we could do is look at the competition and try and do what they’re doing,” he said.


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[danight]

bwahahahahhahahahhahha.... amglolbbq!

[Souzar]

Ha, didn't do the Microsoft Xbox 3copy60 any harm now did it?;)

[Trashcat]

Go make a strategic decision on some more decent games not some shitty Second Life clone.

[XxBigP123xX]

Another troll thread.

[Boco]

Another troll thread.

A other PS fanbody that thinks his system is the only system there is.
and can not take it that his favorite system is losing exclusive games and the trust off ppl.
learn to respect all consoles.

[Ravenlockheart]

oh yea and trophies aren't copying anything "coughs achivements". Then not only that but there Home couldn't be coping anything.... it is its own thing "coughs Mii's, second life" ! Not only this but being a winy ***** about losing your exclusive game..... that's just sad to.I mean come on they haven't bought rights to games themselves to.... like metal gear and don't tell me they can't do it on the 360 cause it will just take a lot of disc's and i personally don't mind getting up. Wow its amazing how retarded CEO's in companies can be..... and I'm not just talking about Sony's.... I'm going across the board. Like the person who thought the Avatars where a good idea.... I personally like my gamer tag and didn't need a stupid Avatar! I'm hoping i don't get screwed over with out having the choice of keeping my gamer pic of the oh so famous exploding bungie guy..... I also hope i can use my original xbox dash board cause i don't like the look of the new one.Maybe the new one will be updated from what we saw at e3... I hope! Any ways I also think that Nintendo was mega retarded for not announcing anything for the hard core gamer! And don't give me the lip of OH ANIMAL CROSSING! Cause that ain't no hard core game...... That **** is not a hard core gamers game and Nintendo knows it! "sigh" Any ways sorry for the rant here but I think i need to get the steam off some where.

[Vesica]

Who the hell cares? If this was a perfect world where everyone respected each others creations we would be stuck in the stone age

[eGamer]

Sony deserves it:

Hush little baby don't you cry... everything is gonna be alright...

[yusky03]

Another troll thread.

Basically yeah, But he did say it:rolleyes:

wii = It is a nice little idea and I liked having my character that I created being in some of the games I had before I sold it.

360 = avatars are pointless and I don't want them nor do I want a new GUI!

PS3 = Home is something new that I have never seen before. As for people saying it is a second life copy... not really I would never use Second life as there is no point in using it but Home I can go shoot some pool, play warhawk (and other games), or go to my friends house without even getting my lazy ass off the couch.

[grapeape]

Jack's an idiot...the irony in his statements about copying and not paying for exlcusives do nothing but make him look like he is completely clueless about the company he works for.

[DarkNikon]

Basically yeah, But he did say it:rolleyes:

wii = It is a nice little idea and I liked having my character that I created being in some of the games I had before I sold it.

360 = avatars are pointless and I don't want them nor do I want a new GUI!

PS3 = Home is something new that I have never seen before. As for people saying it is a second life copy... not really I would never use Second life as there is no point in using it but Home I can go shoot some pool, play warhawk (and other games), or go to my friends house without even getting my lazy ass off the couch.

Exactly! I agree with what you said about Wii and PS3 as I do not and will not ever give a crap about Xbox. (sony did copy achievements tho)... but what can you do, like mentioned before we would be in the stone ages. All things are invented and then improved upon.

[yusky03]

Jack's an idiot...the irony in his statements about copying and not paying for exlcusives do nothing but make him look like he is completely clueless about the company he works for.

Yes, Actions speak louder then words Sony!

[jjmai]

This funny coming from Sony.
So Trohpy is not copying Achievement?

[XxBigP123xX]

A other PS fanbody that thinks his system is the only system there is.
and can not take it that his favorite system is losing exclusive games and the trust off ppl.
learn to respect all consoles.

1. You act like Final Fantasy is exclusive to the 360 now, it's not.
2. Microsoft forgot about the biggest region that would actually buy the game, Japan.
3. Have fun waiting until 2010 for this to come to the 360 in the U.S.
4. And last but not least, How many 360 fanboys gloating over getting the game are actually going to buy it? Not many.

[NexusBurst]

Then stop it dumbtard, this gen sony's idea of innovation is to make the ps3 an xbox360 (live and everything).. so far its only an xbox.
even had to pull out a controller with motion control developers had never heard of just because wii had it and sony had nothing to show.

[Cue]

hes talking WRT home and avators you numbnuts. And the link for the original source doesn't work. maxconsole is an epic fail.

[yusky03]

Then stop it dumbtard, this gen sony's idea of innovation is to make the ps3 an xbox360 (live and everything... that is free without hardware failure and without some of the features being limiting... besides in-game music... they still can't pull that one off).. so far its only an xbox.
even had to pull out a controller with motion control developers had never heard of just because wii had it and sony had nothing to show.

Fixed that for ya... Dumbtard... LMAO:p

I know someone is going to ask what I think is limiting... for example... You can't copy music from your computer to the 360 hard drive you can only steam it.

hes talking WRT home and avators you numbnuts. And the link for the original source doesn't work. maxconsole is an epic fail.

Basically Ya.

[NexusBurst]

hes talking WRT home and avators you numbnuts. And the link for the original source doesn't work. maxconsole is an epic fail.

ok my bad, change the above to second life then :rolleyes:

[theindiearmy]

I wonder if they were thinking this when they revealed the motion sensor controller...or trophies.....naaahhh, of course they weren't.

[Jinx13378]

Oh come on! Show some decency for fucks sake! Who are they trying to fool here?

I am not even going to point out what they have been copying since we all know it. Not that I have anything against it, it's just his comment that reeks of hipocrisy.

[Boco]

1. You act like Final Fantasy is exclusive to the 360 now, it's not.
2. Microsoft forgot about the biggest region that would actually buy the game, Japan.
3. Have fun waiting until 2010 for this to come to the 360 in the U.S.
4. And last but not least, How many 360 fanboys gloating over getting the game are actually going to buy it? Not many.

1. Read what I right I sad losing a EXCLUSIVE game.
2. You don't know **** about Japanese ppl it seems, Japanese ppl will buy it for PS3 even if they released it on 360 in Japan aswel, Japanese ppl only love stuff thats from Japan, I think most Gamers will know this.
3. It will be realest at the same time as the PS3 version in USA and EU a bit later, hope it wont take a year between USA and EU release like most off the FF games.
4. I am from EU not USA
5. I am buying it, so I don't give a **** about who els is buying it. I am gething nit for 360 and PS3 (yes I am FF freak)
6. Your one off the dam Fanboys, Why cant you respect other consoles and why are yo always acting like a little kid??

[msanchez]

.. You can't copy music from your computer to the 360 hard drive you can only steam it.
...

HMMMM! That sounds tasty! LOL

Anyways, the sheer irony of the comment is too much to take. Regardless what he is talking about, I don't think either Sony, nor MS have any right to talk about not copying others. Does that matter to me? Not really, I believe that improving upon others half finished ideas is for all our benefit, so copy away guys, copy away.

[wigsplitta]

HMMMM! That sounds tasty! LOL

Anyways, the sheer irony of the comment is too much to take. Regardless what he is talking about, I don't think either Sony, nor MS have any right to talk about not copying others. Does that matter to me? Not really, I believe that improving upon others half finished ideas is for all our benefit, so copy away guys, copy away.

Exactly! As long as the copy actually improves upon the original. There are very few original ideas out there. As long as someone can actually improve something and bring it to the masses I'm all for it. As a matter of fact I'm excited to start earning trophies on the PS3. Sure it copies achievements but if there is some originality and not just a blatent copy I will start playing the PS3 more.

[yusky03]

HMMMM! That sounds tasty! LOL

Anyways, the sheer irony of the comment is too much to take. Regardless what he is talking about, I don't think either Sony, nor MS have any right to talk about not copying others. Does that matter to me? Not really, I believe that improving upon others half finished ideas is for all our benefit, so copy away guys, copy away.

lmao typos ftw

I agree with you besides the irony of my comment... I think I am missing something.

[benny32]

Actually if you research Playstation history, copying others has worked well for them. Of course they cant admit that publicly.

Rumble pak

Analog Stick

Motion controls

All of these features were copied. The psx ps2 survived on copying.

Stop trying to pretend you created the videogame industry Trent.

[js2393]

First he criticizes MS for paying 3rd parties for exclusives, and now this? What a hypocrite.:rolleyes:

[somecanadian]

1. You act like Final Fantasy is exclusive to the 360 now, it's not. I dont think any one said that
2. Microsoft forgot about the biggest region that would actually buy the game, Japan.Im not sure how this affects you or me, i could care less about how Microsoft of Square does
3. Have fun waiting until 2010 for this to come to the 360 in the U.S. Its the same day as the Ps3 version
4. And last but not least, How many 360 fanboys gloating over getting the game are actually going to buy it? Not many. Just like not many people were going to buy DMC 4?

Why would you try to defend Sony? They lost a big game with FFXIII.

[Cue]

ok my bad, change the above to second life then :rolleyes:

not this copying thing again, especially when its so remotely similar. in-game music was made in GTAIII then right? Miis are a copy of any character creation which has been in almost all sports games? The wiimote is a power glove and all games are a copy of pong.

Who gives a shite simple fact is home doesnt exist on other consoles and as far as I know you cant meet up and launch a game in second life though I can be wrong. I wouldn't even care if it was an exact clone. If jack is pretending sony never copies anything then he is a twat but I hate this sensationalist stuff when people take his comments out of proportion just so that it can become flame bait for the 360 horde here.

[mcool93]

Hmm, so Sony has been doing the worst thing since dual shock 1. They must try to innovate. I don't remember them doing something original hardware-wise since playstation 1 using discs. Oh wait, saturn used discs.

[AceMilo]

We need a banging head against the wall smilie, bad.

Trophies = achievements
Home = second life
Sixaxis = wiimote

Seriously, the PR ppl at sony are the worst I've ever seen. It's like they don't even know what a playstation is let alone play it or know what it can do.

[G-Wiki]

1. Read what I right I sad losing a EXCLUSIVE game.
2. You don't know **** about Japanese ppl it seems, Japanese ppl will buy it for PS3 even if they released it on 360 in Japan aswel, Japanese ppl only love stuff thats from Japan, I think most Gamers will know this.
3. It will be realest at the same time as the PS3 version in USA and EU a bit later, hope it wont take a year between USA and EU release like most off the FF games.
4. I am from EU not USA
5. I am buying it, so I don't give a **** about who els is buying it. I am gething nit for 360 and PS3 (yes I am FF freak)
6. Your one off the dam Fanboys, Why cant you respect other consoles and why are yo always acting like a little kid??

1.One PlayStation game goes multiplatform make this huge impact to Xbox 360 and relief every 360 owner, imagine the whole library become multiplatform!

2.That is why iPod is the best selling music player in Japan.

3.It will be relasesed for PS3 first, then ported for Xbox 360 and PS3 [US and EU]. (http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=117775) Imagine the time it takes.

4.It doesn't make differnece since it has a simultaneous release, however, don't take Square's word too seriously.

5.I suggest you download it, you'll get it one month before it's official release in US, so two months for Europe. That's what I do, they did this for money, they don't get my money. Square saved me 60 bucks.

6.So, we have to respect others by calling the better persons little kids? From what I know his Xbox 360 got RRoD several times, that's what happen when you're a hardcore gamer and play your 360 much. He hated MS from that. His speech is truth, that is why it hurts you, I know.

[Cue]

Hmm, so Sony has been doing the worst thing since dual shock 1. They must try to innovate. I don't remember them doing something original hardware-wise since playstation 1 using discs. Oh wait, saturn used discs.

well in case you have memory problems dual analogues, eyetoy, pressure sensitive buttons,AFAIK Media playback, switch to dvd, dare I say it; blu-ray, analogue buttons (R3, L3). what more do you want?

[Cue]

We need a banging head against the wall smilie, bad.

Trophies = achievements
Home = second life
Sixaxis = wiimote

Seriously, the PR ppl at sony are the worst I've ever seen. It's like they don't even know what a playstation is let alone play it or know what it can do.
well if you're all for sensationalism Where TF was you for this thread

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=117642

[XxBigP123xX]

1.One PlayStation game goes multiplatform make this huge impact to Xbox 360 and relief every 360 owner, imagine the whole library become multiplatform!

2.That is why iPod is the best selling music player in Japan.

3.It will be relasesed for PS3 first, then ported for Xbox 360 and PS3 [US and EU]. (http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=117775) Imagine the time it takes.

4.It doesn't make differnece since it has a simultaneous release, however, don't take Square's word too seriously.

5.I suggest you download it, you'll get it one month before it's official release in US, so two months for Europe. That's what I do, they did this for money, they don't get my money. Square saved me 60 bucks.

6.So, we have to respect others by calling the better persons little kids? From what I know his Xbox 360 got RRoD several times, that's what happen when you're a hardcore gamer and play your 360 much. He hated MS from that. His speech is truth, that is why it hurts you, I know.

I played gears of war for 225 days o_0 http://www.360voice.com/blog-games.asp?tag=XxBigP123xX
1 360 died of RROD, one stopped reading my games, 2 were DOA, and now I'm on my 5th...I think it's over a year old now, going pretty strong(It's a HDMI less 20gb), then again, i haven't been playing it since last summer.

[yusky03]

We need a banging head against the wall smilie, bad.

Trophies = achievements
Home = second life
Sixaxis = wiimote

Seriously, the PR ppl at sony are the worst I've ever seen. It's like they don't even know what a playstation is let alone play it or know what it can do.

Trophies = achievements (yeah basically)
Home = second life (... not really I would never use Second life as there is no point in using it but Home I can go shoot some pool, play warhawk (and other games), or go to my friends house without even getting my lazy ass off the couch.
Sixaxis = wiimote (like I keep saying as an example butting someone with a gun using the sixaxis is the greatest thing ever invented. If only I could use the sixaxis to chainsaw someone in gears that would = epic win for me)

[G-Wiki]

I played gears of war for 225 days o_0 http://www.360voice.com/blog-games.asp?tag=XxBigP123xX
1 360 died of RROD, one stopped reading my games, 2 were DOA, and now I'm on my 5th...I think it's over a year old now, going pretty strong(It's a HDMI less 20gb), then again, i haven't been playing it since last summer.

Did MS repaired it all 4 times? Judging by that, it seems you have a bad luck. :o

I have one, but I don't use it much, I think that is why it hasn't got RRoD, I play on my PS3 most of the times, I prefer cooler system when playing rather than a louder one. Besides, I don't have Live, that is another reason why I use PS3 more.

By the way, thanks for the clarification.

[XxBigP123xX]

Did MS repaired it all 4 times? Judging by that, it seems you have a bad luck. :o

I have one, but I don't use it much, I think that is why it hasn't got RRoD, I play on my PS3 most of the times, I prefer cooler system when playing rather than a louder one. Besides, I don't have Live, that is another reason why I use PS3 more.

Best buy warranty. Just take it back to the store and they exchange it, which is why i really don't complain about it.

[G-Wiki]

Best buy warranty. Just take it back to the store and they exchange it, which is why i really don't complain about it.

That is good, I thought you bought more than one system. :)


We need a banging head against the wall smilie, bad.

Trophies = achievements (Fans made Sony to create trophies and in-game XMB, however it is not JUST a copy paste)
Home = second life (Just the concept, it is totally different than Second Life)
Sixaxis = wiimote (They copied it, but they implemented it in a different way)

Seriously, the PR ppl at sony are the worst I've ever seen. It's like they don't even know what a playstation is let alone play it or know what it can do.

MS copies things EXACTLY...

Singstar : Lips
Buzz : Scene It?
EyeToy : Vision Camera

I can go on...

However, the problem is, they make it worse than the original!

Worst of all, Microsoft call these products their innovations. :mad:

[NexusBurst]

not this copying thing again, especially when its so remotely similar. in-game music was made in GTAIII then right? Miis are a copy of any character creation which has been in almost all sports games? The wiimote is a power glove and all games are a copy of pong.

According to my info you're wrong, GTAIII had ingame music like many other games (not custom) but was released after the xbox 1 which had an ingame music feature equal to the current ps3 feature (ie if the game doesn't support custom soundtracks you're out of luck)

While we come down to Mii's i dont think they are much like character creation in sport games, they are a system level item that can appear in any game even by surprise, its obvious microsoft copied them and changed what they could get away with.


We need a banging head against the wall smilie, bad.

Trophies = achievements
Home = second life
Sixaxis = wiimote


Little correction, Sixaxis = Ms sidewinder freestyle.. not wiimote :eek:

[spook727]

PS3 Fanboy or XBox Fanboy, I think we can all agree that this guy is a moron. The things he said today were unnecessary and really just shows how much of an idiot HE is. Besides, he's from SCE Usa. We all know the decisions all come from SCE Japan. His people run it through google translator and tells it to the US press.

[grapeape]

That is good, I thought you bought more than one system. :)



MS copies things EXACTLY...

Singstar : Lips
Buzz : Scene It?
EyeToy : Vision Camera

I can go on...

However, the problem is, they make it worse than the original!

Worst of all, Microsoft call these products their innovations. :mad:

Karaoke Revolution came out long before Singstar

Buzz is a direct rip of Buzztime Trivia which has been in restraunts and bars across the world for years (And no its not licensed in fact Buzztime has sued Sony over it)

Sega made the DreamEye over a year before EyeToy

I can go on too.....

[squaredwheels]

Karaoke Revolution came out long before Singstar

Buzz is a direct rip of Buzztime Trivia which has been in restraunts and bars across the world for years (And no its not licensed in fact Buzztime has sued Sony over it)

Sega made the DreamEye over a year before EyeToy

I can go on too.....


THANK YOU!
Im glad to see some one knows their stuff, fanboys make me sick.Just play all three consoles and accept the faults the have.Idiots act like the helped create the damn things.YOU STILL PAy FOR THE GAMES SO GET OVER IT !YOUR NOT SPECIAL FOR OWNING a PS3 idiots.AND IT SURE AS HELL DOESNT MAKE YOU GAMING EXPERTS

Bigp123 you really make yourself look like a fanboy, seriously are you in sony defense force?

[msanchez]

lmao typos ftw

I agree with you besides the irony of my comment... I think I am missing something.

I'm sorry I should have been more specific, I was talking about Jackie Tretton's comment...... it seems we can add another constant to the laws of mathematics: Guy name Jack with a last name starting in "T" + some sort of ties to the gaming industry = Total Moron.

[Cue]

According to my info you're wrong, GTAIII had ingame music like many other games (not custom) but was released after the xbox 1 which had an ingame music feature equal to the current ps3 feature (ie if the game doesn't support custom soundtracks you're out of luck)

While we come down to Mii's i dont think they are much like character creation in sport games, they are a system level item that can appear in any game even by surprise, its obvious microsoft copied them and changed what they could get away with.



Little correction, Sixaxis = Ms sidewinder freestyle.. not wiimote :eek:

I think you missed the point entirely read my original post again especially before and after the words "remotely". it was in response to the comparison between home and second life. GTA3 had a custom radio station on the PC. its not entirely the same thing but that was the point. you've only backed my argument.

[msanchez]

Karaoke Revolution came out long before Singstar

Buzz is a direct rip of Buzztime Trivia which has been in restraunts and bars across the world for years (And no its not licensed in fact Buzztime has sued Sony over it)

Sega made the DreamEye over a year before EyeToy

I can go on too.....

G-Wiki does have a few good points, specially, in my opinion of course, the fact that PS3 owners were the ones that hounded sony to give them trophies... Hell right now you go to any PS3Blog post for a new game and all you hear is "WAA WAA will it have trophy support?" honestly I was going through the comments for the Bionic Commando game for the PSN and I had to stop like half way through the first page because every other post was some idiot saying how they won't buy it unless it has trophy support..... bunch of losers if you ask me.

[AceMilo]

Trophies = achievements (yeah basically)
Home = second life (... not really I would never use Second life as there is no point in using it but Home I can go shoot some pool, play warhawk (and other games), or go to my friends house without even getting my lazy ass off the couch.
Sixaxis = wiimote (like I keep saying as an example butting someone with a gun using the sixaxis is the greatest thing ever invented. If only I could use the sixaxis to chainsaw someone in gears that would = epic win for me)

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how home is any different from second life. You keep saying in home you can go shoot pool and play warhawk, in second life you can play pool, but in neither home nor second life can you play warhawk. You cannot launch games from home, you have to exit home, then launch whatever game you want to play. How many ppl are going to launch home, let it load, meet in a room, decide what to play, exit home, launch the game, make a room, and invite each other when you can just send text or voice messages or just game invites?

As far as saying ms is copying ppl too, well no ****. Everyone copies someone else, but microsoft's PR ppl don't go around saying dumb stuff like sony does. Avatars have been around for over a decade, more or less since the internet got popular there have been in tons of programs, nintendo copied them into mii's, sony copied them in home, and ms copied them for the dash. I never once said ms doesn't copy from other ppl, of course they do, but for you (sony) to go around saying you don't copy others is stupid.

[snipersnake]

4. And last but not least, How many 360 fanboys gloating over getting the game are actually going to buy it? Not many.

lol!!!!:D .................................

[Cue]

Karaoke Revolution came out long before Singstar

Buzz is a direct rip of Buzztime Trivia which has been in restraunts and bars across the world for years (And no its not licensed in fact Buzztime has sued Sony over it)

Sega made the DreamEye over a year before EyeToy

I can go on too.....
Yep Karaoke Revolution was released by konami on the ps2 before singstar
buzz is a blatent copy of buzztime.
sega made the dreameye before the eyetoy but it was not used for motion games just a camera as is the MS vision one I think. if you want an earlier camera peripheral don't forget the gameboy camera.
anyway this still does not change the fact that MS also copies alot of things the "original" maker is just different.

[XxBigP123xX]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how home is any different from second life. You keep saying in home you can go shoot pool and play warhawk, in second life you can play pool, but in neither home nor second life can you play warhawk. You cannot launch games from home, you have to exit home, then launch whatever game you want to play.

As far as saying ms is copying ppl too, well no ****. Everyone copies someone else, but microsoft's PR ppl don't go around saying dumb stuff like sony does. Avatars have been around for over a decade, more or less since the internet got popular they have been in tons of programs, nintendo copied them into mii's, sony copied them in home, and ms copied them for the dash. I never once said ms doesn't copy from other ppl, of course they do, but for you (sony) to go around saying you don't copy others is stupid.
You do know abou game launching from the beta don't you? Only info i could find(was hoping to find a video but can't, sorry) was from a Warhawk update posthttp://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/02/15/warhawk-v13-patch/

Yeah Baby…So our HOME integration is coming along nicely and this update includes a great, and much needed feature for Warhawk. With the release of v1.3 patch, players will be able to form groups, meet in their apartments, discuss tactics, and then launch a game of Warhawk…all together!

When you’re in your apartment, all you do is whip-out your virtual PSP, select ‘create game’ and pick Warhawk. From there, you get to start your own player server, pick a game rotation, set server options and then…BAM !! Launch Warhawk with all of your friends!! You can also pick to not make your game viewable to the other Warhawk players around the world, or you can make it a ‘public’ game that puts all of your friends into the server together, and leaves open slots for other global Warhawk players join.

Games launched from HOME show up in the global games list in an attactive gold color.

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You do know abou game launching from the beta don't you? Only info i could find(was hoping to find a video but can't, sorry) was from a Warhawk update posthttp://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/02/15/warhawk-v13-patch/

dont mind ace he is an idiot who tends to not know what he's talking about. I gave him a direct link to another MS pr guys comment which was blown out of proportion just like this comment is but he is oblivious to it.

[yusky03]

dont mind ace he is an idiot who tends to not know what he's talking about. I gave him a direct link to another MS pr guys comment which was blown out of proportion just like this comment is but he is oblivious to it.

Once that guy makes up his mind on a subject then is no way in hell he is changing it:D

[msanchez]

...microsoft's PR ppl don't go around saying dumb stuff like sony does....

REALLY!? if you said "they don't say as much dumb stuff as sony does" I would agree with you, but the most recent one is "Avatars have necks and arms, so they are totally different from Miis" PR people are full of it no matter where they are and anyone who says different is wrong... well there might be a small chance that they are right, but common MS and Sony are the same sh*t.

[NewBeginning]

Another troll thread.

Says the person with 4,000 posts.

[dannybII]

I'm glad someone else pointed out Sixaxis isn't a Wii-remote clone but a 10 year old Microsoft Sidewider Freestyle pro wanabe.
That fooker didn't have rumble when it was launched either. Ironic as all the other wheels and sticks MS released (and others as I remember) did have forcefeedback and rumble. And to be fair I couldn't control jack sh!t with that EITHER.

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I'm glad someone else pointed out Sixaxis isn't a Wii-remote clone but a 10 year old Microsoft Sidewider Freestyle pro wanabe.
That fooker didn't have rumble when it was launched either. Ironic as all the other wheels and sticks MS released (and others as I remember) did have forcefeedback and rumble. And to be fair I couldn't control jack sh!t with that EITHER.
people are so quick to forget or not old enough to remember it wasn't microsofts idea lets make that clear 4 years earlier
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/EGM_Vol7__1_Jan_1994_SNES_Tilt_.jpg

[DEDDOA]

Damn i've missed this guy, he makes console news so much more fun, he is like the Dan Quail of the console world, what a guy. He seemingly has not a clue of what he talks about outside of buzzwords and saying things the competition have done are rubbish, and he makes you wonder how the hell he got to where he is today, as it certainly can't be for his technical knowlege of Sony products and their uses.

He seems to me to be one of those practically useless but seemingly always called for by big companies, project managers. They do next to nothing, but as they have been in charge of teams that have done well, they get the credit, when all they have done is said what needs doing and everyone else does it (they are the office foreman but don't actually do any of the work outside of delegation and repeating what they have been told is needed).

Anyway, whatever idiot thought he would be a good mouth piece, I guess we have to thank them as he provides much entertainment even if it is all completely clueless :D

[John Crichton]

Why cant you respect other consoles and why are yo always acting like a little kid??

sometimes the closest answer is the right answer :D


It will be relasesed for PS3 first, then ported for Xbox 360 and PS3 [US and EU]. Imagine the time it takes.

the same time every ff before took. ff fans learned patience long ago.


5.I suggest you download it, you'll get it one month before it's official release in US, so two months for Europe. That's what I do, they did this for money, they don't get my money. Square saved me 60 bucks.

6.So, we have to respect others by calling the better persons little kids? From what I know his Xbox 360 got RRoD several times, that's what happen when you're a hardcore gamer and play your 360 much. He hated MS from that. His speech is truth, that is why it hurts you, I know.

wow. gotta fill up my ignore list :D


MS copies things EXACTLY...

Singstar : Lips
Buzz : Scene It?
EyeToy : Vision Camera

the difference is, they don't pretending the opposite.

i've buying console since the early 90's and if someones good at stealing, it's sony.

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they don't pretending the oppisite
i've buying console since the early 90's and if someones good at stealing, it's sony.

since the 90's right they don't pretending the oppisite yep, whatever you say, and MS's stolen nothing at all what little angels they are:rolleyes:

[DEDDOA]

since the 90's right, whatever you say, and MS's stolen nothing at all what little angels they are:rolleyes:

The difference is MS don't claim otherwise, and the fan boys on the MS front at least don't start making like the things, even if they are exact copies of stuff from other consoles, that benefit them are a bad thing.

Must remember, paying for things so consumers will buy more of your products and copying succesfull good ideas (and in may cases improving them for your market) and giving them to consumers who want them, is bad for business. On the other hand, doing all that and denying it even tho everyone knows youa re doing it and so essentially calling your customers idiots, is good for business :p

[Boco]

1.One PlayStation game goes multiplatform make this huge impact to Xbox 360 and relief every 360 owner, imagine the whole library become multiplatform!

2.That is why iPod is the best selling music player in Japan.

3.It will be relasesed for PS3 first, then ported for Xbox 360 and PS3 [US and EU]. (http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=117775) Imagine the time it takes.

4.It doesn't make differnece since it has a simultaneous release, however, don't take Square's word too seriously.

5.I suggest you download it, you'll get it one month before it's official release in US, so two months for Europe. That's what I do, they did this for money, they don't get my money. Square saved me 60 bucks.

6.So, we have to respect others by calling the better persons little kids? From what I know his Xbox 360 got RRoD several times, that's what happen when you're a hardcore gamer and play your 360 much. He hated MS from that. His speech is truth, that is why it hurts you, I know.

You are funny.
1 thing I know all PS3 fanboys (talking about the Fanboys) are mad bicous FFXIII is no longer PS3 exclusive.
If Gears of War 2 would go multi platform all 360 fanboys woulds do the same,and all PS3 fanboys would be trolling thous forums just like the 360 fanboys are doing now.

The Ipod sold most everywhere, and a Ipod is no game console, Amby I had to be more clearer on hat that Japanese ppl like Japanese Game canolas the most.

On number 3 its like a I sad, US and EU will be released whit a little time span between them, SE going to tray to make it as short as possible, so whats your point? I know it takes long to get it from US to EU region, but I still trust SE, so lets just hope they can make is as short as possible (for PS and for 360)

and if you can't respect other game consoles your no Hardcore gamer, you a little kid.

On topic, Sony copied allot off stuff, MS copied stuff aswle, let it be, A game console is for gaming, the names says it GAME console. so what if everybody copies everybody just have fun whit the system you like most.

[sjkhounk]

well in case you have memory problems dual analogues, eyetoy, pressure sensitive buttons,AFAIK Media playback, switch to dvd, dare I say it; blu-ray, analogue buttons (R3, L3). what more do you want?

Here is Sony's skewed view of innovation. They multiply. Nintendo came out with the shoulder buttons, Sony added two more to their controller design. Nintendo created the analogue stick, Sony added a second stick. Nintendo created the rumble pack, Sony stuck in two.

[redwolf]

what about MajorNelson.com Sony even took that :rolleyes:

[msa]

jack tretton is an idiot.

[AceMilo]

dont mind ace he is an idiot who tends to not know what he's talking about. I gave him a direct link to another MS pr guys comment which was blown out of proportion just like this comment is but he is oblivious to it.

You really try to twist everything I say don't you. I already said ms copies ppl too, but you seem to ignore that. Avatar's are mii's mii's are avatars, they're all the same.

[billysastard]

Go make a strategic decision on some more decent games not some shitty Second Life clone.

exactly, i'm so underwhelmed about the prospect of home.

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Here is Sony's skewed view of innovation. They multiply. Nintendo came out with the shoulder buttons, Sony added two more to their controller design. Nintendo created the analogue stick, Sony added a second stick. Nintendo created the rumble pack, Sony stuck in two.

yep two rumble is simply for a balanced pad but I don't know why sony got so excited about it but if you're denying that 2 analogues and 4 shoulder buttons are not a good idea then you're an idiot (sorry). good thing you ignored the other things right?

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You really try to twist everything I say don't you. I already said ms copies ppl too, but you seem to ignore that. Avatar's are mii's mii's are avatars, they're all the same.

I swear Ace you really are an idiot, I'm sorry to resort to personal insult but I would hope that will persuade you to read the whole thread properly. Never did I say you didn't know MS copies. yep miis are avators avators are miis but read what I said. If you don't understand what its about then I give up on you and your avatar photo.

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The difference is MS don't claim otherwise, and the fan boys on the MS front at least don't start making like the things, even if they are exact copies of stuff from other consoles, that benefit them are a bad thing.

Must remember, paying for things so consumers will buy more of your products and copying succesfull good ideas (and in may cases improving them for your market) and giving them to consumers who want them, is bad for business. On the other hand, doing all that and denying it even tho everyone knows youa re doing it and so essentially calling your customers idiots, is good for business :p

refer to the post in reply to ace it applies to you, read the thread!! I'm all for clones as I've said before.

[AceMilo]

You do know abou game launching from the beta don't you? Only info i could find(was hoping to find a video but can't, sorry) was from a Warhawk update posthttp://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/...awk-v13-patch/

No I didn't know that, but my argument still stands. Unless you and all your friends that you wanna play with are all on home in the same area you aren't going to use it as a launch pad. Game invites are a lot faster and easier than loading up a whole app and walking around finding ppl.


I swear Ace you really are an idiot, I'm sorry to resort to personal insult but I would hope that will persuade you to read the whole thread properly. Never did I say you didn't know MS copies. yep miis are avators avators are miis but read what I said. If you don't understand what its about then I give up on you and your avatar photo.

Actually you said I ignored another thread that said ms didn't copy mii's but like I said, its obvious ms did copy them. Fanboy goggles tend to block your vision.

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Actually you said I ignored another thread that said ms didn't copy mii's but like I said, its obvious ms did copy them. Fanboy goggles tend to block your vision.

Oh may god help you. I give up, let me point you in the right direction.
you said:

As far as saying ms is copying ppl too, well no ****. Everyone copies someone else, but microsoft's PR ppl don't go around saying dumb stuff like sony does.

I said:

I gave him a direct link to another MS pr guys comment which was blown out of proportion just like this comment is but he is oblivious to it.

do you understand now, yes? ,no? ,maybe?
it was even repeated by msanchez

now the first part to my comment
you said:

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how home is any different from second life. You keep saying in home you can go shoot pool and play warhawk, in second life you can play pool, but in neither home nor second life can you play warhawk. You cannot launch games from home

Bigp123 said:

You do know abou game launching from the beta don't you? Only info i could find(was hoping to find a video but can't, sorry)

I said:
dont mind ace he is an idiot who tends to not know what he's talking about.

Is this complex puzzle coming together in your head now? do you mind pointing out where I twisted your words?


and finally

No I didn't know that, but my argument still stands. Unless you and all your friends that you wanna play with are all on home in the same area you aren't going to use it as a launch pad. Game invites are a lot faster and easier than loading up a whole app and walking around finding ppl.


home is a launchpad for games and social gaming among other things the initial argument was that you can launch games from home something that you can't do in second life how can your argument still stand the argument wasn't about how useful home is to you?

you may think I have fanboy goggles but at least I'm not totally blind. I'm sorry for the long post ace's stupidity forced me to do it.

[AlphaTrion]

Sony's Jack Tretton has remarked that Sony has a plan for the PS3 and the worst thing they could do is look at the competition and try and emulate what they are doing. His comments come as he was hyping up Playstation Home.



News Source: <A href="http://gamerush.zoomshare.com/files/news/002613_Sony_Copying_others_the_worst_thing_we_coul d_do_.htm" target="_Blank">Gamerush</a>

This guy loves talking $h$T. sony's and their fanboys arrogance is coming back to bite them. they think they are the only system in town. CAPCOM saw the light! Bought Devil May Cry 4 for x360. Friend even tho owns a PS3 bought it for PC instead. about time SE started thinking for themselves. they should put it out for Windows. boo hoo jack..get over it. he whining more than the idiot fanboys.

[AceMilo]

home is a launchpad for games and social gaming among other things the initial argument was that you can launch games from home something that you can't do in second life how can your argument still stand the argument wasn't about how useful home is to you?

Because no one is going to launch home in order to get a game going, any normal person will just send game invites. I know if I was playing a game on any system and someone wanted me to leave the game I'm playing to go to a virtual world where we can plan what to play next I'd drive to their house and slap them silly. Game invites are all you need, anything else is a waste. Sony has them, they don't need home, nintendo needs them but their online is a joke anyway. Home is a gimmick, nothing more. People will use it when it comes out, they'll be like wow this is cool, then they'll never use it again. If I want to walk around in a virtual world I'd go on second life where I could actually make money.

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Because no one is going to launch home in order to get a game going, any normal person will just send game invites. I know if I was playing a game on any system and someone wanted me to leave the game I'm playing to go to a virtual world where we can plan what to play next I'd drive to their house and slap them silly. Game invites are all you need, anything else is a waste. Sony has them, they don't need home, nintendo needs them but their online is a joke anyway. Home is a gimmick, nothing more. People will use it when it comes out, they'll be like wow this is cool, then they'll never use it again. If I want to walk around in a virtual world I'd go on second life where I could actually make money.

Fair enough its not useful to you but to say it wont be to others is wrong. for example for warhawk their is a meeting room in home where you can plan tactics before launching the game. I don't know if it will include a map and how interactive it is but that's one reason why you would use home.

[AceMilo]

Fair enough its not useful to you but to say it wont be to others is wrong. for example for warhawk their is a meeting room in home where you can plan tactics before launching the game. I don't know if it will include a map and how interactive it is but that's one reason why you would use home.

Thats fine if you think you're going to use it like that, but I honestly don't see that happening. If somehow it gave you more options than voice chat such as overviews of maps, replays, screenshots of previous games, then yes it may be worth it, but until they show something like this then it's useless imo. I honestly don't see how it's any different than voice chatting before a match. Maybe once sony gives some details we can see what they plan to do, but until then I see no use for it.

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Thats fine if you think you're going to use it like that, but I honestly don't see that happening. If somehow it gave you more options than voice chat such as overviews of maps, replays, screenshots of previous games, then yes it may be worth it, but until they show something like this then it's useless imo. I honestly don't see how it's any different than voice chatting before a match. Maybe once sony gives some details we can see what they plan to do, but until then I see no use for it.

I don't know what you've got against home but you're argument was nullified so don't start with an extremely off topic discussion about its usefulness and tell me that I aint gonna use it; I'll be the judge of that. if you want to know a little more about the war room here you are
http://kotaku.com/361562/how-warhawk-makes-home-really-really-cool

[msanchez]

Thats fine if you think you're going to use it like that, but I honestly don't see that happening. If somehow it gave you more options than voice chat such as overviews of maps, replays, screenshots of previous games, then yes it may be worth it, but until they show something like this then it's useless imo. I honestly don't see how it's any different than voice chatting before a match. Maybe once sony gives some details we can see what they plan to do, but until then I see no use for it.

Well I just don't see myself spending $30 on Cooking Mama... but it seems that many others are. I don't see myself spending $60 a year for Live, and yet many are. To be fair though, I don't really see myself using home much/at all, but it seems that many will.

[sjkhounk]

yep two rumble is simply for a balanced pad but I don't know why sony got so excited about it but if you're denying that 2 analogues and 4 shoulder buttons are not a good idea then you're an idiot (sorry). good thing you ignored the other things right?

It seems Sony fans views are also skewed, when it comes to interpretation.

I simply, and very simply stated that Sony does not innovate in the sense, but merely builds upon an established idea. I have never said that those were not good ideas. But if you think Sony invented video games, then your an idiot (I can put words in your "mouth" too).

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It seems Sony fans views are also skewed, when it comes to interpretation.

I simply, and very simply stated that Sony does not innovate in the sense, but merely builds upon an established idea. I have never said that those were not good ideas. But if you think Sony invented video games, then your an idiot (I can put words in your "mouth" too).

lol yeah right I never skewed anything but you did ignore the other things they so called "invented". so are you saying sony did not "invent" pressure sensitive buttons. I don't think anybody comes out with anything out of nowhere they simply improve or apply the idea somewhere else and to be honest I really could not care less. where did this thing about sony inventing video games come from :confused:
why do people always say I put words in peoples mouths where did I do that? you're not AceMilo are you.

[sjkhounk]

lol yeah right I never skewed anything but you did ignore the other things they so called "invented". so are you saying sony did not "invent" pressure sensitive buttons. I don't think anybody comes out with anything out of nowhere they simply improve or apply the idea somewhere else and to be honest I really could not care less. where did this thing about sony inventing video games come from :confused:
why do people always say I put words in peoples mouths where did I do that? you're not AceMilo are you.

"but if you're denying that 2 analogues and 4 shoulder buttons are not a good idea"

is one, and the latest..

"so are you saying sony did not "invent" pressure sensitive buttons"

is two.

When did I ever say those things? It's like me saying, "So your saying the world is flat?" I know you didn't say it, but if I wanted to artificially create your counter arguement, I can say that.