Opinion: Blu-ray has 3 problems, DRM infections, BD-J and greed

[Zeus]

An article at The Inquirer has criticized Blu-ray saying that it has 3 problems: DRM infections, BD-J and greed. They say Sony are greedy for increasing Blu-ray player prices 50-100 percent after the end of the format war and ask who would buy a $29.99 BD movie when the DVD version is $16.99. They say every Blu-ray disc is DRM infected and prevents "legitimate users from using legally purchased media on legally purchased hardware" and makes "Piracy the Better Choice." They also say that BD-J support is "so half-assed and broken that using it is nothing less than misery." (thanks daps83777)



Blu-ray DRM infections do not protect anything, Slysoft has cracked it with their excellent AnyDVD HD product, something I can't recommend enough. Basically, new DRM schemes are broken before you can buy discs with them on it, protecting nothing. It will however prevent legitimate users from using legally purchased media on legally purchased hardware. If you pirate though, no more compatibility issues, once again making Piracy the Better Choice (TM)(C)(R).

Basically the new format has DRM baked in and in your face. It costs you money, hurts only legitimate users, and is laughably insecure. Until it is abolished, just say no to Blu-ray and spend your money elsewhere, try books for example. If you must stoop to the DRM infected media, crack it and run it from your HD, it will save you immense frustration.


News Source: <a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/03/blu-ray-sales-tank-reason" target=_blank">theinquirer</a>

[mmicrosysm]

HD-DVD did not lose we all did! :( I personally still buy/rent SD DVD and play them in an upscaling DVD player and they look great on my Plasma.

[billysastard]

well he's spot on, maybe whoever employs that idiot patcher should consider employing this guy instead because he's right, piracy is the only answer to drm-ray, something i too have been saying since it launched, lets face it the word clusterfuck was designed to describe everything to do with drm-ray as a movie (and currently also as a game) format.

[removes stains]

This was pointless to post.

[rupter13612]

Obviously this guy invested in a lot of HD DVD, and is pissed for losing the format war. I have had no problems with my Blu Ray movies and the prices are reasonable if you get them on Amazon. Hell I bought I Am Legend from Amazon on Blu Ray for $18.99 which is cheaper than most stores charge for the DVD version. I agree that stand alone Blu Ray players are still too high for the majority to want to go out and buy one. Don't give a rat ass about DMR, and BD-J works perfectly on my PS3. If you don't like Blu Ray, don't buy them. But don't talk trash about them either.

[Blazeking]

This was pointless to post.

Yes. They act like HD-DVD didn't have DRM.
Bullshit. They're just mad the PS3 and it's format could not be cracked.
That's more appealing for devs who are scared of losing some money due to
the custom firmware of a certain box.

"Piracy is the only hope..." You are a broke fag then. I went and BOUGHT my games to support the devs.

[shemmy]

one of the best articles i've seen post format war yet.

[JimmyHACK_KH]

oh boy, the inquirer again :(

[NexusBurst]

I can agree with BD-J i mean cmon java really does suck like anyone gives a crap about anything sun microsystems does anymore.

For the DRM i agree finally bought some blu-ray movies, starship troopers into my pc blu-ray drive going to my hybrid hdtv/pc monitor. Nice big red logo "sorry this disc cannot output to this display" load up anyDVD and bye bye hdcp. Not tried the blu-rays on the ps3 but i bet hdcp will be a problem.

Greed is not a factor for me, i have a ps3, a blu-ray reader/dvd writer and a blu-ray recorder, like cd and dvd before i buy into the burner market when prices go sub £200. Since Blu-Ray on pc is hardware accelerated only the high end blu-ray players will stand up to it.

I will say im glad i waited but im also glad i invested. blade runner on blu-ray just looks and sounds magnificent.

[Hevyduty]

I agree with the article on all counts. The format war wasn't decided at retail by consumers. It was decided by Sony and movie studios in backroom deals. That sucks for everyone.

Streaming HD-DIVX movies to the PS3 works fine. That's the way to go.

[cinten99]

They're just mad the PS3 and it's format could not be cracked.


Thank you for proving how stupid you are.

[XxBigP123xX]

Old news. Just a bunch of sour HD DVDud fanboys.

[Blazeking]

Thank you for proving how stupid you are.

Would you like to prove how smart ass?

and I quote:

"If you pirate though, no more compatibility issues, once again making Piracy the Better Choice (TM)(C)(R)."

"If you must stoop to the DRM infected media, crack it and run it from your HD, it will save you immense frustration."

Now what the **** is that?

[medicine_pill]

Blu-ray is fine, way better than HD-DVD.

[aYu][Takeshi]

Blu-ray has 3 problems? Hm okay...
But than HD-DVD had more and bigger problems than those 3...

capacity (future, but also today), quality (scratches, lens).
The only reason why there was no (copy-) protection on HD-DVD was the battle against the Blu-ray.

Yeah! HD-DVD ftw! :rolleyes:

[danight]

Sony supports DRM.... impossible! LIES! :rolleyes:

Forcing drm on the consumer doesn't stop piracy, its screws the legit consumer (look at bioshock for pc or sony and their rootkits).
Bragging drm cant be cracked will get it cracked fast and piracy will always be a issue. The prob with blu-ray is the freaking price of the players and movies.

yes hd-dvd going under screwed the consumer it didnt help them. No hd-dvd means no price war and and no companies fighting to get the consumer dollar. Now its 1 choice and that choice comes at a hefty price. But if you got a 1080p lcd big screen tv, then you can probably afford it anyways. But for the 1080i tv users and lower res people, a reg dvd and a decent upscaling dvd player is a way better purchase and is wont leave you bankrupt.

[Trashcat]

Obviously this guy invested in a lot of HD DVD
Why you seem to have a stock in betamax2 yourself.

I have had no problems with my Blu Ray movies and the prices are reasonable if you get them on Amazon. Hell I bought I Am Legend from Amazon on Blu Ray for $18.99 which is cheaper than most stores charge for the DVD version.
Thats only true for older or unpopular movies, average price is still over 30$. If betaray is really the successor of DVD shouldn't it cost same as DVD by now and shouldn't DVD receive a price cut since its such an outdated technology?

I agree that stand alone Blu Ray players are still too high for the majority to want to go out and buy one. Don't give a rat ass about DMR, and BD-J works perfectly on my PS3. If you don't like Blu Ray, don't buy them. But don't talk trash about them either.
Don't talk trash? How else will the public know that sony overpriced it on purpose? The more people say its a rip-off the sooner we will see a price drop, but perhaps you are one of the sony-troopers who don't care for price cuts much.

[GazP]

Sour grapes. That guy needs his rattle putting back in his pram. It's over, Blu Ray won (whether rightly or wrongly).

[Claxiux]

Why you seem to have a stock in betamax2 yourself.

Thats only true for older or unpopular movies, average price is still over 30$. If betaray is really the successor of DVD shouldn't it cost same as DVD by now and shouldn't DVD receive a price cut since its such an outdated technology?

Don't talk trash? How else will the public know that sony overpriced it on purpose? The more people say its a rip-off the sooner we will see a price drop, but perhaps you are one of the sony-troopers who don't care for price cuts much.

:p :D :p LOL you sound so screwed. It seems BD's win affected you badly :p :D :p

[iLLNESS]

maybe hes upset that he bought a sony cd and had a rootkit installed on his computer?

only an idiot would ever support sony after that ****, seriously. how many times does a company need to burn you before you realise your getting fucked.

i can see it now, sony puts out a movie in the future that disables dvd playback all together on your player. you need to send in for a $50 repair, but instead you buy bluray because its more convenient, despite the fact sony did it just to get money out of your pocket. who cares though? because bluray won its over ahhaahha

[shemmy]

LOL you sound so screwed. It seems BDs win affected you badly :p

just what did bluray win exactly? for the vast majority of people regular dvd is just fine - as the sales figures prove. jesus, divx is fine for pretty much anyone with half a brain and a torrent client. free divx V's bluray = divx win. the vast majority of people don't care about HD formats. if they did the ps3 and 360 would be doing wii numbers in sales.

i have one bluray disc: planet earth. the chances of me adding to that total are pretty much nil.

[Claxiux]

just what did bluray win exactly? for the vast majority of people regular dvd is just fine - as the sales figures prove. jesus, divx is fine for pretty much anyone with half a brain and a torrent client. free divx V's bluray = divx win. the vast majority of people don't care about HD formats. if they did the ps3 and 360 would be doing wii numbers inn sales.

i have one bluray disc: planet earth. the chances of me adding to that total are pretty much nil.

Don't get me wrong. I bought 3 DVDs the other day and didn't even consider BD because of the price. But trashcat still sounds analy screwed :p

Its a fact that BD won and IT IS selling, we've had it as news here in maxconsole many times now.


Thank you for proving how stupid you are.

He's actually right, the PS3 could not be hacked. And its format (a special kind of BD) neither. BD+ was the one that got hacked but thats a different story.

[dannybII]

Yup
I got a free copy of Die Hard 4... the chances of me ever buying another Film in this format are less than zero. Of course that is unless they start practically giving them away. On the high street they're still about £20-£25. I don't like ANY film enough to shell that much out these days.

[rupter13612]

just what did bluray win exactly? for the vast majority of people regular dvd is just fine - as the sales figures prove. jesus, divx is fine for pretty much anyone with half a brain and a torrent client. free divx V's bluray = divx win. the vast majority of people don't care about HD formats. if they did the ps3 and 360 would be doing wii numbers in sales.

i have one bluray disc: planet earth. the chances of me adding to that total are pretty much nil.

The same thing every HD DVD owner or x-bot fanboy says. Refuses to except defeat and switch over to the Blu Ray side. Denial...denial....denial.....

[Evil-Rebirth]

No BR for me yet. BR is a joke. The only real issue with HD-DVD was capacity, and that was going to be resolved with triple layer discs. Picture quality really depended on the encoding process. With the PS3 being the only safe bet for BR it wouldn't be so bad if the damn BR drives in the system didn't keep breaking down. I agree with the author. Give me something worth buying that doesn't require me to play by their rules. I want a good player, and I don't want to have to buy a PS3 because "it's the smartest thing to do."

[shemmy]

The same thing every HD DVD owner or x-bot fanboy says. Refuses to except defeat and switch over to the Blu Ray side. Denial...denial....denial.....

i have a ps3.

[whackawookie]

The same thing every HD DVD owner or x-bot fanboy says. Refuses to except defeat and switch over to the Blu Ray side. Denial...denial....denial.....

i have a ps3, 360 and hd-dvd add on. i hate living in denial :rolleyes:

[nolifeking]

I have been saying that Piracy for PSP/PS2 has been Sony's fault for a long time. They do not support their devices, features that are PROMISED never make it to the end user and Everything they offer is way too expensive. People are turning to OE or M-33 firmware just to have some functionality and not always to pirate games. The PS3 is a paperweight in my opinion and Sony is rubbing salt in the wounds of consumers by jacking up the prices on Blu-ray AFTER winning the format war. Seems like Sony is still mad about BETAMAX loosing to VHS lol. :D:D:D

[Blazeking]

This thread was pointless.

[zetsurin]

maybe hes upset that he bought a sony cd and had a rootkit installed on his computer?

only an idiot would ever support sony after that ****, seriously. how many times does a company need to burn you before you realise your getting fucked.

i can see it now, sony puts out a movie in the future that disables dvd playback all together on your player. you need to send in for a $50 repair, but instead you buy bluray because its more convenient, despite the fact sony did it just to get money out of your pocket. who cares though? because bluray won its over ahhaahha

No, only an idiot would start posting about Sony as if they are evil yet throw your weight behind a company that has violated anti-competitive/anti-consumer rights in a growing number of regions of the world - Microsoft!! You're worse than an idiot, you are retarded. In fact, you are retarded and ignorant and for some inexplicable reason you speak of Sony as though they were once your husband who cheated on you.

And the DUMBEST thing you just said is this:

"i can see it now, sony puts out a movie in the future that disables dvd playback all together on your player."

HAHAHAH. The irony. Do you realise that Microsoft are the ones switching off the freedom of playback of the MSN Music tracks they sold? YES! Microsoft are pretty much doing just what you claim Sony might do. Get it? Microsoft DID this type of thing (you will be locked into specific computers and versions of OS - ie. F%^&ed), yet according to your brainless commentary we are supposed to be more fearful of Sony doing this? Incredible.

[Cantenna]

LOL, The Inquirer?

thats all i feel i have to say as an argument!

A Much better healine then "Britney Spears dating an Alien from Mars!" though...

[ENF]

:D
I assume these websites invested alot in HD-DVD too :D

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080505-blu-ray-hits-bumps-in-the-road-to-hd-market-dominance.html

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9932311-7.html?tag=nefd.pop

So much for being mad due to losing the format war.....:cool:

or just wait and see, prices will go down soon enough:
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9886656-7.html

ooops i think i dropped the ball.
* Puts living in denial suit and flame suit On* :D

[kneehighspy]

Yes. They act like HD-DVD didn't have DRM.
Bullshit. They're just mad the PS3 and it's format could not be cracked.
That's more appealing for devs who are scared of losing some money due to
the custom firmware of a certain box.

"Piracy is the only hope..." You are a broke fag then. I went and BOUGHT my games to support the devs.


bd has been 'cracked' for awhile now. just the ps3 isn't able to play backup games yet...yet

and most of the points are true about bd, i've got a ps3 and have purchased over 30 bd titles in the last 4 months, but that doesn't mean i have to kiss sony's ass and give them all my love for the format.

the prices went up on the players, the drm is crappy (but it's cracked) and of course bd-j support between different manufacturers (not just on ps3's) is spotty at best. also, new release bd titles are pretty expensive.

i knew bd was going to win the format war, sony poured out tons of money to the studios, that's why i invested in a plextor bd-r dual layer burner, so i'm ready to 'back up' the future.

it's amazing how all the ps3 fanboys are in here defending a 'format' and slobbering all over sony's knob, it's really sad to see this. i can own a ps3, but i don't have to, as i mentioned above, kiss sony's ass.

[kneehighspy]

i have a ps3.


yeah me to, but since i'm not slobbering on sony or kissing their ass, i'm an xbot too i guess.

[Evolution]

I have to laugh at this. Zeus links to a guy who has some decent arguments. And they ARE decent. But everyone who acknowledges that there is truth in what he says is an HD-DVD lover?

HD DVD is dead. It no longer matters, its old news people, move on.

The here and now is BD and DVD. The Blu-ray association made a huge mistake (and its NOT just Sony although they are part of it) by marking up the players and the software to ridiculous levels even though they were already at stupid levels in the first place.

You walk into Game or Gamestation or HMV (3 high st retaillers that sell Blu-ray movies) and the decent titles are retalling for upwards of £25-£35. Even crap is £20 a pop. Thats utter greed right there. You can buy an upscale DVD Player for £40 and 6 decent DVDs for £30 no problem. Ok its not Blu-ray quality but Blu-ray hasnt proved that its worth the massive outlay per disc and never will if it keeps this up.

I cannot say too much about the DRM because its a sad fact of life now in all areas of digital media and its only getting worse.

If Sony and the rest of the Blu-ray association dont wise up soon and stop trying to assfuck the public they are in for a massive wake up call as the shelves remain full of BD media as people keep on going with DVD.

[winterborn25]

its from daps need i say more???? that guy is anti sony anyways....dumbass post. i own 109 blus now and i don't have an issue with 1. so im tired of hearing this and that... just stfu and let the ppl who want it enjoy it... god put this **** to rest and enjoy life already

[foundmy]

you gotta love it when people say their upscale dvd is as good as a BD, if that was the case, then we would all just Line double and turn up the contrast to make eachother feel good. wankers.

BD-J ya, whatever an idea, but still not there and cost of blu-ray players gone up? really, i don't know my PS3 price has come down. oh ya another retard article that doesn't consider the ps3 a blu-ray player.

what i hated was HD-DVD was never a true 7.1 system. not even their latest one was real.

Greed well if you won, wouldn't you do the same thing, M$ did on the PC, look how much they charge for their OSes.

People get over it already. If you do not want HD video or games, then do stay to a Wii or GC. You want to watch movies in HD, well then suck it up, or line double and turn the contrast up on your B&W TV. until you truly see HD TV, you think the line doubling is the same.. not even close. or sorry upconverting.

[daps83777]

its from daps need i say more???? that guy is anti sony anyways....dumbass post. i own 109 blus now and i don't have an issue with 1. so im tired of hearing this and that... just stfu and let the ppl who want it enjoy it... god put this **** to rest and enjoy life already

yep me, the big sony hater, i haven't purchased a home console that is not made by sony since the snes besides my xbox that is strictly for xbmc, but ya know i hate sony, man i better go throw out my huge collections of games from sony consoles before someone calls me something else.

[danight]

you gotta love it when people say their upscale dvd is as good as a BD, if that was the case, then we would all just Line double and turn up the contrast to make eachother feel good. wankers.

I wasn't suggesting it upscaled dvd`s are better than blu-ray. Im saying if you have a 1080i tv or lower res then blu-ray is pretty useless when you can get a upscaling drive with a reg dvd for a small fraction of the price and close to same pic quality.
Blu-ray shines through in 1080p. Thats what it was made for and thats where it really shows how much better it is than dvd.
But the fact is, most people don't own a 1080p lcd tv`s to take advantage of what blu-ray offers. Believe it or not, some people don't use 7.1 sorround sound either.

So if you have a 480p or 720i/p tv and dont use 7.1 then bluray is a waste of money period. Only a wanker would debate blu-ray is worth it on a 480p tv.
Only a wanker would go buy a 1080p tv if they already own a good 1080i tv just to watch freaking movies in blu-ray.

[Evolution]

I wasn't suggesting it upscaled dvd`s are better than blu-ray. Im saying if you have a 1080i tv or lower res then blu-ray is pretty useless when you can get a upscaling drive with a reg dvd for a small fraction of the price and close to same pic quality.
Blu-ray shines through in 1080p. Thats what it was made for and thats where it really shows how much better it is than dvd.
But the fact is, most people don't own a 1080p lcd tv`s to take advantage of what blu-ray offers. Believe it or not, some people don't use 7.1 sorround sound either.

So if you have a 480p or 720i/p tv and dont use 7.1 then bluray is a waste of money period. Only a wanker would debate blu-ray is worth it on a 480p tv.
Only a wanker would go buy a 1080p tv if they already own a good 1080i tv just to watch freaking movies in blu-ray.

I dont have a 1080p TV and its not because I cannot afford one. The size that the screen needs to be makes it impractical for me to own one. I have heard that 1080p TVs will be out in 32" soon enough but that kind of defeats the purpose as the expense means its not worth it.

Ive got a 24" 1080p monitor for the PC and an internal LG Super Multi Blue Drive which plays every HD format you want to throw at it and it was only £90 when I bought it.

I wont lie, I havent bought any full price Blu-rays or HD DVDs. I could have picked up a ton of HD-DVDs for pennies now but I am happy with what I have. I have about 10 Blu-rays and maybe 5 HD-DVDs. The rest of the stuff I have are ripped from torrents and streamed straight from the HDD. Considering you can get 1TB of internal HDD space for £90 thats the way to go for me.

[borbeatss]

Would you like to prove how smart ass?

and I quote:

"If you pirate though, no more compatibility issues, once again making Piracy the Better Choice (TM)(C)(R)."

"If you must stoop to the DRM infected media, crack it and run it from your HD, it will save you immense frustration."

Now what the **** is that?

Your so fucked up dude, DRM? You guys all throw this word around like it means something when in reality "technically" DVD's have DRM too. Ever heard of CSS? Start talking about things that you know about. God I hate this site. Bunch of wannabe's.

[grapeape]

Obviously this guy invested in a lot of HD DVD, and is pissed for losing the format war. I have had no problems with my Blu Ray movies and the prices are reasonable if you get them on Amazon. Hell I bought I Am Legend from Amazon on Blu Ray for $18.99 which is cheaper than most stores charge for the DVD version. I agree that stand alone Blu Ray players are still too high for the majority to want to go out and buy one. Don't give a rat ass about DMR, and BD-J works perfectly on my PS3. If you don't like Blu Ray, don't buy them. But don't talk trash about them either.

Just to give you a clue many people who didnt give a flip about HD-DVD were concerned about Blu-Ray, primarily for the reasons stated, its not an anti-sony or a pro HD-DVD thing its a pro-freedom thing which seems to go over the heads of most of the Blu-ray zealots. One doesnt necessarily mean the other...thats the biggest problem I have with fanboys in general just because someone owns another platform or has concerns over the fanboys favorite doesnt mean they are out to get them. The Inquirer rant came across a bit paranoid but it doesnt make the "trash" any less the truth.


you gotta love it when people say their upscale dvd is as good as a BD, if that was the case, then we would all just Line double and turn up the contrast to make eachother feel good. wankers.

BD-J ya, whatever an idea, but still not there and cost of blu-ray players gone up? really, i don't know my PS3 price has come down. oh ya another retard article that doesn't consider the ps3 a blu-ray player.

what i hated was HD-DVD was never a true 7.1 system. not even their latest one was real.

Greed well if you won, wouldn't you do the same thing, M$ did on the PC, look how much they charge for their OSes.

People get over it already. If you do not want HD video or games, then do stay to a Wii or GC. You want to watch movies in HD, well then suck it up, or line double and turn the contrast up on your B&W TV. until you truly see HD TV, you think the line doubling is the same.. not even close. or sorry upconverting.

I havent ever seen anyone say that upscaling was as good or even close...I have seen alot of people including myself say that its good enough. The vast majority still just doesnt care. Most of us dont own 1080p TV's even less of us have 7.1 surround sound, for the masses those things just dont matter. They are great for the audio/videophiles out there, by all means enjoy it but to act offended that the rest of world couldnt give a rats ass is just silly. I love my PS3 and have a nice 1080p capable tv, but still have absolutely no use for Blu-ray when it comes to movies, its not practical for my 6 tv household, makes no sense financially and just doesnt offer enough benefit to worry about it. It appears to me the people whining about the slow adoption of HD and specifically blu-ray are the ones that need to get over it...

[Blazeking]

Your so fucked up dude, DRM? You guys all throw this word around like it means something when in reality "technically" DVD's have DRM too. Ever heard of CSS? Start talking about things that you know about. God I hate this site. Bunch of wannabe's.

You didn't read the whole thread and it shows. My very first post was implying the very same thing. You're not good with context clues, are you? Seems like I agitated to same type of people I was talking about.

What is the headline of this news article about? DRM infections, BD-J, and Greed.
Wannabes who try to gradute into posers at my expense get kicked into the pit.
Didn't you notice the avatar?

[pokey66]

Blu-Ray will never be fully adopted until an "easy" method is created to dump the media into different formats such as DVD to XviD or the ability to dump videos onto some kind of media server or portable playback devices easily.

In any case it will still be a few years before BR has a shot at swallowing the DVD market.

I own a PS3 but since the fall of HDDVD, I took advantage of the opportunity to purchase a player and discs at ridiculously low prices on the HDDVD platform.
So some good did come out of it. heh.

[Trashcat]

:p :D :p LOL you sound so screwed. It seems BD's win affected you badly :p :D :p
Like many guys from sonydefenceforce you have an amazing ability to completely ignore any points, valid or not, brought up by other people and go straight to nitpicking the words or tone people use. Maybe my post was to hard for you to understand that you only got 2 words out of it but Im sorry Im not gona dumb down what I write for people like you.

[NexusBurst]

i don't know my PS3 price has come down. oh ya another retard article that doesn't consider the ps3 a blu-ray player.
The ps3 may contain a blu-ray drive but if you're comparing it to a standalone blu-ray player ignoring the issue of updates you'll see it's sub-standard just like the ps2 dvd playback before they made them with faster drives. its pretty shady with dvd rewind and fast forward too.
I do agree the ps3 is a great value blu-ray player if you like to play games and view pictures etc too, its fixable by some added features (like digital zoom) and a faster drive in the future.

[msanchez]

(sits with a bowl of popcorn, watching all the drama unfold..........)

The only thing that could make this better is if the more "extremist" fans would duke it out like those backyard wrestling things..... anyways carry on with the mud slinging/eye pocking/low blowing/etc/etc.... I'm sure the HD-DVD camp and the BD camp appreciate your efforts.

(Cue FIREWORKS!)

[put4558350]

I think MS dosn't care Hd-dvd form the start. they just wish something to interrupt Blu-ray. And it's work for a year.

Reduce of Blu-ray is come form one proublem. Hd-dvd is out of market. so sony reduce fund that support part of movie (no free movie, increase price).

All movie studio must used Blu-ray and sony already get profit.

[Blazeking]

I think MS dosn't care Hd-dvd form the start. they just wish something to interrupt Blu-ray. And it's work for a year.

Reduce of Blu-ray is come form one proublem. Hd-dvd is out of market. so sony reduce fund that support part of movie (no free movie, increase price).

All movie studio must used Blu-ray and sony already get profit.

Hopefully that money from that should help them even out quicker. Only when that happens
you'll see decreases in retail prices. Losses have got to slow before the price comes down.

In response to the article a:
EVERY MEDIA HAS DRM. IT GETS HACKED, NOT ABANDONDED.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU BOUGHT A CD FOR EXAMPLE?

Bitching about the obvious repeats in history is stupid. Real enthusiasts know how to get around those issues. I don't have any BD-J movies so that doesn't matter to me.
And almost every piece of electronic equipment has started out the same way as far as pricing. Hell, I would like a 52" DLP TV for $700. But honestly, I'd be waiting forever for that kind of price drop. That's the epidemic in my country now, not being cheap for once. Maybe more.

[arashb]

Kind of off topic but has anyone here ever flipped over a bluray and looked at it through the light? It looks so cool :), at least the PS3 games do.

edit-

I think MS dosn't care Hd-dvd form the start. they just wish something to interrupt Blu-ray. And it's work for a year.

Reduce of Blu-ray is come form one proublem. Hd-dvd is out of market. so sony reduce fund that support part of movie (no free movie, increase price).

All movie studio must used Blu-ray and sony already get profit.


So you're pretty much saying that MS knew they were screwing over millions of people? Yeah I can see that. What I can't see is Toshiba doing this, they aren't american.

[Trashcat]

So you're pretty much saying that MS knew they were screwing over millions of people? Yeah I can see that. What I can't see is Toshiba doing this, they aren't american.
Did Ms care about HD-DVD? No, or else they would have paid off all the studios and betaray would have been gone by now, Ms just wanted to enter HD video market with something, and since betaray is sony's child and Ms are good friends with Toshiba they only had one choice. People should be thankful to Ms for not forcing HD-DVD upon them by including it in the 360, sony decided to force betamax2 upon consumers through ps3 long before either of the formats even hit the stores, so sony basically gambled with 200$ that every ps3 buyer had to pay for the blur-ay drive in the ps3 and had Toshiba won the format war every ps3 owner would be left sitting on a dead format they paid 200$ for even if all they wanted was games.

[Spnoz]

The vast majority still just doesnt care. Most of us dont own 1080p TV's even less of us have 7.1 surround sound, for the masses those things just dont matter. They are great for the audio/videophiles out there, by all means enjoy it but to act offended that the rest of world couldnt give a rats ass is just silly.

It's the exact same reason why a car fanatic enjoy his new sports car or luxury car while most of the people out there just need something to carry their kids around or just get them from point A to point B. They don't need that fancy sportsy car. And they surely won't pay a premium to have one.

It's the exact same thing with Blu-Ray.

Yes, it's better. Yes it has a better image and better sound. But people don't care because they don't NEED that better image and better sound, let alone paying $400 for it. They don't have the gear to benefit from this, and don't want to pay more to get that gear anyway.

The problem is that Sony and co. are aggressively marketing their technology, trying to shove down our minds that we NEED the technology, that it's indefinitely better than DVD. In other words, they're trying to create a NEED for their products, because there is currently no need from the masses for such a product. We've moved from an era where the key to success was to sell a solution for a need, to an era where you create the need in the first place to sell the solution to it afterwards.

Most folks out there only want a TV to watch their daily soaps and get news on TV, and they don't give a flying f*ck about HD. Until marketing comes in, that is, and probably create a need that they don't have...

The only way I see Blu-Ray taking over DVD in the future is if players and movies get to a price point equal to that of DVD players and DVD movies. Having the choice between a regular DVD player and a player that plays all your DVDs plus Blu-Ray movies for a similar price would eliminates all other issues, even for those having non-HD TVs.

And unless that happens (and I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future), Blu-Ray will continue to be a niche market reserved mostly for videophiles with fancy A/V equipment.

Unless marketing effectively brainwash people into thinking that hooking a Blu-Ray player to their 24 inch TV will bring them a noticeably better picture.


People, we should stop arrogantly thinking that the world actually cares about HD. It doesn't.

Your future is Blu? Yeah. Wathever rock your boat, pal. The rest of the world don't give a sh!t.

[kmoed]

LOL, The Inquirer?

thats all i feel i have to say as an argument!

A Much better healine then "Britney Spears dating an Alien from Mars!" though...

You obviously know nothing.

http://www.theinquirer.net/

[kmoed]

Blu-Ray will never be fully adopted until an "easy" method is created to dump the media into different formats such as DVD to XviD or the ability to dump videos onto some kind of media server or portable playback devices easily.

In any case it will still be a few years before BR has a shot at swallowing the DVD market.

I own a PS3 but since the fall of HDDVD, I took advantage of the opportunity to purchase a player and discs at ridiculously low prices on the HDDVD platform.
So some good did come out of it. heh.

It's called .mkv
It's been around for a while now.

[Punyetta]

You obviously know nothing.

http://www.theinquirer.net/

yeah, at one point it was said that it was as reliable source as the Iraqi minister of information.

[kmoed]

yeah, at one point it was said that it was as reliable source as the Iraqi minister of information.

You obviously know nothing as well. It's one of the most reliable tech information sites.

It has no relation to the American trash rag by the same name.

[onyxx]

always love news from a reputable source ;)

[snipersnake]

wow trashcat..really..did blu ray or PS3 caused any deaths in your family?

[cardboardbox]

always can count on dapsy for his daily anti-Sony rhetoric. Do I smell a sore loser?

[winterborn25]

yea and trashcat you moron ..... what movie is higher then 28$ on amazon besides boxsets???? stfu and move on in your life ffs. you need a hobby or something cause youre just a depressed individual :cool: