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A product called the IR2Bit has finally gone on sale - this acts as an infrared to bluetooth converter that allows you to control the PS3 via a universal IR remote. The product requires no assembly and acts as a stand alone device.
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wiggim
03-28-2008, 06:20 PM
didn't even know it was in development.
I will wait for reviews/testimonys on their preformance. but would work great for the all in one IR remote that don't have bluetooth....
peacetalks
03-28-2008, 06:27 PM
IR2BT = $55 + shipping
ps3 remote = $17 bucks on ebay + shipping.
go IR2BT!
Horrorwood
03-28-2008, 07:47 PM
You can get IR recievers for PS3 for $10 shipped. Maxconsole is really turning ****.
And for the poster above me, you are a tard, the IR recievers are for people who earn more than minimum wage and can afford universal remotes for all of their equipment.
Infact here is the link to buy this product.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6851
CZroe
03-28-2008, 08:10 PM
Honestly, I don't know why people aren't DEMANDING AVRCP Bluetooth support on the PS3. Basically, they put the BT logo on the remote, something they don't even do with the SIXAXIS, and then they ignore an existing profile.
I'm sure that there is some Bluetooth SIG rule that is being violated here, considering that the logo is a sign of interoperability and yet it only works with their products and conforms to no profiles.
AVRCP is the profile included with A2DP Bluetooth Stereo headphones to add playback controls (Play/Pause, Next Track/Previous Track, Fast Forward/Rewind, etc). The profile allows for simple and complex implementations, even with an LCD on the remote and support for proprietary manufacturer-specific buttons like the PS button.
Because there don't seem to be any AVRCP remotes, AVRCP is usually a subset of A2DP, but paiting an A2DP/AVRCP headset does not give you AVRCP control. You'd better believe that there would be many AVRCP remotes if Sony supported it!
You can get IR recievers for PS3 for $10 shipped. Maxconsole is really turning ****.
And for the poster above me, you are a tard, the IR recievers are for people who earn more than minimum wage and can afford universal remotes for all of their equipment.
Infact here is the link to buy this product.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6851
Yep. That only simulates a very limited PS2 controller with a USB adapter, just like the ones in stores here (I've seen them down to $10). If you must have IR for some reason and you can't afford the IR2BT, grab one of those. There are even some that have a wire leading to the powereject buttons and add codes for those functions.
kronikdaddy
03-28-2008, 09:37 PM
I will likely pick one up when they are around $25ish, I use my 360 for media anyway since it plays more video types and works with my Harmony 880 remote.
MicroNut
03-29-2008, 07:00 PM
stupid rant goes here
DaddyLongLegs
03-29-2008, 09:43 PM
What the HELL!
$55 bucks for f*cking what?
That's just BullSh*t right there.
Buying a Blu-Ray remote instead.
Then I am going to go out, get drunk and watch strippers with the money I saved.
It's so you can use any universal remote on your PS3 you fucking mongoloid.
Blame Sony for being cheap fucks/complete retards (like yourself) for not putting an IR port on the PS3, a console that's supposed to be part of your home entertainment system.
MicroNut
03-29-2008, 11:12 PM
stupid rant goes here
DaddyLongLegs
03-30-2008, 09:48 AM
fucking mongoloid complete retard?
I can read, yes I would like.
F*ck no I pay $55.
Apparently you seem to know a lot about the production of electronic devices then, so I highly suggest you produce something that can take an incoming infra-red command, convert it to a Bluetooth command, then forward the signal to the PS3 for less than $50. Give me a link to your website when you're done with it. Thanks.
AcCeSsDeNiEd
03-30-2008, 10:54 AM
What the HELL!
$55 bucks for f*cking what?
That's just BullSh*t right there.
Buying a Blu-Ray remote instead.
Then I am going to go out, get drunk and watch strippers with the money I saved.
Don't be a dork.
If you haven't heard of universal remotes like the Proto:
http://www.pronto.philips.com/
This IR->BT is a live saver.
MicroNut
03-30-2008, 01:09 PM
stupid rant goes here
AcCeSsDeNiEd
03-30-2008, 09:05 PM
No you don't even have the slightest clue.
'Cos if you did, you wouldn't have posted that crap in the first place.
Just imagine how owners of the universal remotes like the pronto who have squeezed in all 10 remotes in and even control their lights and x10 cable devices. They only need one remote.
And then PS3 comes along and needs a BT remote.
So like now I need to have 2 remotes to watch my blu-ray movies?
Doesn't make any sense.
DaddyLongLegs
03-30-2008, 09:36 PM
MicroNut is an idiot, I think that's obvious. The only one stupider is Sony for not including infra-red in a device that's supposed to be a home entertainment integrated console.
No serious A/V user (which is anyone who would support Blu-ray in the first place) uses a fuckin' Bluetooth remote for their setup. Sony is so god-damn retarded sometimes it makes my brain hurt.
It's even funnier when you remember that Sony themselves make very expensive and high end touch-screen universal remotes.......and they don't work with the PS3.
This is why 90% of the internet loves it when Sony fails or says something stupid. People hate them for a reason.
MicroNut is an idiot, I think that's obvious. The only one stupider is Sony for not including infra-red in a device that's supposed to be a home entertainment integrated console.
No serious A/V user (which is anyone who would support Blu-ray in the first place) uses a fuckin' Bluetooth remote for their setup. Sony is so god-damn retarded sometimes it makes my brain hurt.
It's even funnier when you remember that Sony themselves make very expensive and high end touch-screen universal remotes.......and they don't work with the PS3.
This is why 90% of the internet loves it when Sony fails or says something stupid. People hate them for a reason.
Sony didn't include IR because IR is old. Its a communication interface which I think should have become obselete years ago. Unfortunatly manufacturers (maybe due to consumers) haven't really adopted the more usefull alternatives but to say Sony is stupid for not including it is stupid itself.
Honestly, I don't know why people aren't DEMANDING AVRCP Bluetooth support on the PS3. Basically, they put the BT logo on the remote, something they don't even do with the SIXAXIS, and then they ignore an existing profile.
I'm sure that there is some Bluetooth SIG rule that is being violated here, considering that the logo is a sign of interoperability and yet it only works with their products and conforms to no profiles.
AVRCP is the profile included with A2DP Bluetooth Stereo headphones to add playback controls (Play/Pause, Next Track/Previous Track, Fast Forward/Rewind, etc). The profile allows for simple and complex implementations, even with an LCD on the remote and support for proprietary manufacturer-specific buttons like the PS button.
Because there don't seem to be any AVRCP remotes, AVRCP is usually a subset of A2DP, but paiting an A2DP/AVRCP headset does not give you AVRCP control. You'd better believe that there would be many AVRCP remotes if Sony supported it!
Yep. That only simulates a very limited PS2 controller with a USB adapter, just like the ones in stores here (I've seen them down to $10). If you must have IR for some reason and you can't afford the IR2BT, grab one of those. There are even some that have a wire leading to the powereject buttons and add codes for those functions.
Hi CZroe
To include a Bluetooth logo you do not have to stick to a given profile for a given task the only specfication is that you use a profile for a given "service". It most likely uses the HID profile.
JoMacHo
03-31-2008, 01:33 AM
MicroNut is an idiot, I think that's obvious. The only one stupider is Sony for not including infra-red in a device that's supposed to be a home entertainment integrated console.
No serious A/V user (which is anyone who would support Blu-ray in the first place) uses a fuckin' Bluetooth remote for their setup. Sony is so god-damn retarded sometimes it makes my brain hurt.
It's even funnier when you remember that Sony themselves make very expensive and high end touch-screen universal remotes.......and they don't work with the PS3.
This is why 90% of the internet loves it when Sony fails or says something stupid. People hate them for a reason.
Maybe Sony should have included a Betamax reader, or floppy drives.
Hey CZroe
I decided to check whether it is the HID profile.
It seems as though it is.
You might want to check these out, I know your interested in these type of things from the many informative and logical convos (you dont get that very often in these forums) we have had in the past.
Check them out:
http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html
http://xbmc.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-28765.html
DaddyLongLegs
03-31-2008, 06:33 AM
Sony didn't include IR because IR is old. Its a communication interface which I think should have become obselete years ago. Unfortunatly manufacturers (maybe due to consumers) haven't really adopted the more usefull alternatives but to say Sony is stupid for not including it is stupid itself.
I know IR is old, but how does that make it obsolete? Are you one of those lunatics that when SATA came out you threw out all of your IDE hard drives and optical drives?
IR is fine. Everything has been using it for years. Most IR devices don't even need to be pointed at any more. I can point my universal remote in the OPPOSITE direction of my original XBOX and it controls it fine. The only advantage Bluetooth has over that is if I shove the remote up my ass I can still control things. Hell, Bluetooth isn't even good for controlling things in another room; RF is way better for that. Not to mention Bluetooth is CONSTANTLY connected, draining batteries when not in use. IR only uses battery when the button is pressed and explains why batteries in an IR remote lasts like half a year before needing to be replaced.
Sony *is* stupid for not including it because anyone on the planet with a Universal remote is using IR. Every electronic device in my entertainment room has an IR port; my XBox, my DVD player, my HTPC, my Onkyo receiver, my brand new plasma, my HDMI switch, my component switch. Hell, three of the things I listed didn't even have codes for in my Universal remote manual and thanks to IR they were able to learn every command from the factory remote thanks to IR. But hey, IR is old, and the PS3 doesn't have it, so let's throw all of it away!!!! If you seriously think TV's will be shipping with Bluetooth instead of IR anytime in the next 10 years or ever you're on crack or just a huge Sony defender for some reason.
Maybe Sony should have included a Betamax reader, or floppy drives.
Yes, comparing something still widely used today, in literally every electronics device you can possibly buy EXCEPT the PS3 is a great example when comparing it to dead storage formats of the 80's. Will you help write my English midterm for me please?
MicroNut
03-31-2008, 10:10 AM
Your right, I am sorry...
DaddyLongLegs
03-31-2008, 11:07 AM
Yes, I am an idiot, that much is obvious.
Your right, I am sorry, this is a great deal.
Link me to something that converts an infra-red signal to Bluetooth and sends that signal to the PS3 for a cheaper price and I'll agree with your stupid sarcasm.
MicroNut
03-31-2008, 12:14 PM
NO, really I am sorry.
If I weren't quoted so much for my rant I would delete all my posts and clean up your thread.
I know IR is old, but how does that make it obsolete? Are you one of those lunatics that when SATA came out you threw out all of your IDE hard drives and optical drives?
IR is fine. Everything has been using it for years. Most IR devices don't even need to be pointed at any more. I can point my universal remote in the OPPOSITE direction of my original XBOX and it controls it fine. The only advantage Bluetooth has over that is if I shove the remote up my ass I can still control things. Hell, Bluetooth isn't even good for controlling things in another room; RF is way better for that. Not to mention Bluetooth is CONSTANTLY connected, draining batteries when not in use. IR only uses battery when the button is pressed and explains why batteries in an IR remote lasts like half a year before needing to be replaced.
Sony *is* stupid for not including it because anyone on the planet with a Universal remote is using IR. Every electronic device in my entertainment room has an IR port; my XBox, my DVD player, my HTPC, my Onkyo receiver, my brand new plasma, my HDMI switch, my component switch. Hell, three of the things I listed didn't even have codes for in my Universal remote manual and thanks to IR they were able to learn every command from the factory remote thanks to IR. But hey, IR is old, and the PS3 doesn't have it, so let's throw all of it away!!!! If you seriously think TV's will be shipping with Bluetooth instead of IR anytime in the next 10 years or ever you're on crack or just a huge Sony defender for some reason.
Yes, comparing something still widely used today, in literally every electronics device you can possibly buy EXCEPT the PS3 is a great example when comparing it to dead storage formats of the 80's. Will you help write my English midterm for me please?
Oh come on, don't be such a drama queen
Yes throw all of your IR equipment away... give it to me its useless now. :rolleyes:
Don't bring up ridiculous points to try and prove that Sony should have catered to your exact needs if they don't they are stupid. if you think line of sight is the only advantage to using bluetooth, z-wave, or other RF freq then I'm afraid you're a little behind on technology. one severe advantage that springs to mind with BT over IR is response time.
No idea why you brought up SATA drives but I'm going to give you a better example DDR3. Motherboard manufacturers will slowly phase out DDR2 and not support it but that doesn't mean that they are dumb just that they are killing hardware support for something which has been replaced with a better alternative and most likely will add to cost if they supported the former.
Blame Sony for being cheap fucks/complete retards.
Why are Sony cheap they have created the most expensive console and are selling it for a fraction of what it costs for the hardware and you're calling them cheap f*cks. people are saying (be it naively) that they don't even want the BD drive and your saying they should put IR. As for BT TV's: they are already here so I doubt you are the true A/V enthusiast you make yourself out to be, more just a person b*tching about how you can't use your universal remote which makes Sony stupid for not supporting it. In fact if it were like that I think I should be b*tching about how 90% of electronics don't include BT along with their IR.
BTW you do know that BT is RF technology right, so saying RF is better than BT is stupid unless you can give me the frequency of the "RF" to compare freq and there are always tradeoffs. A class 1 BT device has a range of 100m so unless you are trying to turn your TV on from down the road I don't see range being a problem. now try that with IR. A bluetooth device is not always on if its unidirectional like most IR remotes so again stupid point.
I know its annoying that IR in future hardware has been replaced with another interface but that doesn't make the manufacturer stupid it just means your sh*t is old now. Thats the way it is. Get over it.
DaddyLongLegs
03-31-2008, 01:14 PM
Oh come on, don't be such a drama queen
Yes throw all of your IR equipment away... give it to me its useless now. :rolleyes:
I was responding to your point that Sony didn't include IR in the PS3 because it's "old". Then why does every single home theater and audio device on the planet that was released, is released, and will be released have IR? You seriously sound like the psychotic Sony PR people who said rumble was a last gen technology and that's why they didn't include it (which of course is now in the PS3 after settling a lawsuit).
'm going to give you a better example DDR3. Motherboard manufacturers will slowly phase out DDR2 and not support it but that doesn't mean that they are dumb just that they are killing hardware support for something which has been replaced with a better alternative and most likely will add to cost if they supported the former.
No hyperbole, this might be the worst analogy I've ever read in my life, other than the "betamax" one posted on the other page. When you buy a new motherboard, you buy new RAM. Big deal. If you don't like it, don't buy that motherboard. Also, DDR3 RAM has improvements over DDR2. It's a natural progression of technology. Bluetooth has virtually NO benefits over IR except for being able to operate the PS3 from another room. Extreme beneficial when I'm watching a movie! :rolleyes:
Why are Sony cheap they have created the most expensive console and are selling it for a fraction of what it costs for the hardware and you're calling them cheap f*cks
Yes I am. The ONLY reason the PS3 was as expensive as it was was for the Blu-ray drive. This is Sony's fault because they didn't wait until Blu-ray was cheaper to make, and because they shoehorned their new format down the throats of gamers who didn't even ask for it. They're cheap fucks for not including HDMI or component cables (yet the include Ballad of Ricky Bobby??) and they're cheap fucks for taking TWO USB ports out of the 40 gig model. They're also cheap fucks for dropping PS2 compatibility when they used to make fun of the 360's backwards compatibility and said it was an extremely important aspect of their consoles. I don't care how much Sony is selling the console at a loss; it's their own fault and they're cheap as hell.
As for BT TV's: they are already here so I doubt you are the true A/V enthusiast you make yourself out to be
Okay, A/V guru. Let me ask you something. What do you use to control your XBox 360? Upconverting DVD player? How about your stereo receiver? Cable or satellite box? You mean to tell me you have some Bluetooth remote that can control all those things?
Also I've never seen a TV with bluetooth in my life, let alone one with Bluetooth and no IR port.
A class 1 BT device has a range of 100m so unless you are trying to turn your TV on from down the road I don't see range being a problem. now try that with IR.
When I get to a situation where I need to operate my TV from outside my house I'll let you know :rolleyes:
I know its annoying that IR in future hardware has been replaced with another interface but that doesn't make the manufacturer stupid it just means your sh*t is old now. Thats the way it is. Get over it.
Haha, except THE ONLY COMPANY ON THE PLANET WHO REPLACED IT WAS SONY. I love how you act like all other companies are following suit or some ****. Sony's stand alone Blu-ray players themselves use IR. Care to explain that one? I'll let you speak with your supervisor at SCEA before you get back to me.
CZroe
03-31-2008, 01:35 PM
Jesus Christ. Even without IR, this all would have been avoided if Sony had just used industry standard Bluetooth remote profiles. We would have had AVRCP-to-IR devices for existing home theater installations and every high-end universal remote would have already added Bluetooth 2.0 to directly support it. Sony's actions are indefensible and I grate my teeth when I read the retards in here defending it. ALL IT NEEDS IS A FIRMWARE UPDATE TO SUPPORT BLUETOOTH AVRCP AND ALL OF THIS WOULD BE SOLVED!
Also, DDR3 holds no real advantages for CPUs from the DDR2 generation, so it's stupid to say that it is "better." Just say that "It's different" and leave it at that. It's for future higher-bandwidth FSBs at the expense of higher latency, but requiring quad-channel DDR2 would not have been any better. If we'd have more latency from the async memory controller for quad-channel DDR2, we might as well just make the new DDR3 modules higher latency to increase the bandwidth and save manufacturers all the costs and complexity of making quad-channel motherboards (cost gets passed on to consumers and having more modules is always harder to stabilize).
DaddyLongLegs
03-31-2008, 01:50 PM
Also, DDR3 holds no real advantages for CPUs from the DDR2 generation, so it's stupid to say that it is "better." Just say that "It's different" and leave it at that.
I think he was just sadly trying to compare advancing computer technologies to why Sony decided a $600 media device didn't need an IR port.
I think he was just sadly trying to compare advancing computer technologies to why Sony decided a $600 media device didn't need an IR port.
pathetic argument. There is no difference between advances in PC tech and tech in the livingroom A/V env.
I was responding to your point that Sony didn't include IR in the PS3 because it's "old". Then why does every single home theater and audio device on the planet that was released, is released, and will be released have IR? You seriously sound like the psychotic Sony PR people who said rumble was a last gen technology and that's why they didn't include it (which of course is now in the PS3 after settling a lawsuit).
If the PS3 offered an alternative to rumble which offered everything that rumble has plus more then yes I will say rumble is last gen but seeing as they didn't they are just psychotic Sony PR people that you cannot compare me to. Not all HT devices have IR. you not knowing that shows you have a fairly bad most likely unecessarly expensive setup. Don't know why you mentioned the lawsuit but yeah there are retarded PR people at sony. whats your point?
No hyperbole, this might be the worst analogy I've ever read in my life, other than the "betamax" one posted on the other page. When you buy a new motherboard, you buy new RAM. Big deal. If you don't like it, don't buy that motherboard. Also, DDR3 RAM has improvements over DDR2. It's a natural progression of technology. Bluetooth has virtually NO benefits over IR except for being able to operate the PS3 from another room. Extreme beneficial when I'm watching a movie!
This might be the worst argument I have ever heard. If you dont like the PS3 as a home theater device then dont buy it same sh*t argument. if you seriously beleive that the only advantage of BT is no line of sight then you don't know much at all. Try range, low latency, low power omnidirectional communications. Reading tracknames, artist, album cover art etc on the remote.
Yes I am. The ONLY reason the PS3 was as expensive as it was was for the Blu-ray drive. This is Sony's fault because they didn't wait until Blu-ray was cheaper to make, and because they shoehorned their new format down the throats of gamers who didn't even ask for it. They're cheap fucks for not including HDMI or component cables (yet the include Ballad of Ricky Bobby??) and they're cheap fucks for taking TWO USB ports out of the 40 gig model. They're also cheap fucks for dropping PS2 compatibility when they used to make fun of the 360's backwards compatibility and said it was an extremely important aspect of their consoles. I don't care how much Sony is selling the console at a loss; it's their own fault and they're cheap as hell.
WTF what are you trying to get across here they didnt wait till it was cheaper so they are cheap f*cks :confused:. I agree that no HDMI/Component cables was bad for me but think it was ok because alot of people bought a PS3 even though they dont have a HDTV it would have been nothing but an extra cost for the people not Sony. they were cutting everything out not because they were cheap fucks but people were. They had no choice, people were asking for price drops and thats understandable because unfortunatly some could not afford it.
Some were pretending it was the price. Look at Micronut for example he bitched and bitched about the price of the IR2BT and argued with people who said it was a good product until people started saying sony is stupid, he then backed off very oddly when he found out he was arguing with others who hate sony thats probably the only reason he joined this thread to badmouth this product.
Okay, A/V guru. Let me ask you something. What do you use to control your XBox 360? Upconverting DVD player? How about your stereo receiver? Cable or satellite box? You mean to tell me you have some Bluetooth remote that can control all those things?
Also I've never seen a TV with bluetooth in my life, let alone one with Bluetooth and no IR port.
Unfortunatly I don't own a 360, but to control my HTPC, my HTPC, and my HTPC, I use any java enabled/ bluetooth/Wifi phone or if I'm feeling very GUI my Samsung Q1 UMPC don't use PS3 for anything but games.
and because TV's are primitive: http://www.globalcache.com/products/gc-index.html
they only point this thing uses the wireless IR is the .5cm between the transmitter & sensor--absolutely pointless.
There is a samsung tv which has bluetooth but I think it also has IR not sure of details but wish I owned one.
When I get to a situation where I need to operate my TV from outside my house I'll let you know
Contradicting yourself here, only advantage of using other RF freqs is for increased range or performance in other rooms. I didn't say 100 m range is what you should use just said its more than adequete so no need for other RF freqs which you seem to think is better.
Haha, except THE ONLY COMPANY ON THE PLANET WHO REPLACED IT WAS SONY. I love how you act like all other companies are following suit or some ****. Sony's stand alone Blu-ray players themselves use IR. Care to explain that one? I'll let you speak with your supervisor at SCEA before you get back to me.
Come off your sony hate train, I say kill IR controls as soon as possible then you can use the freq range for other things and TV companies will follow suit. I spoke to my supervisor and he said "you've gotta start somewhere".
Jesus Christ. Even without IR, this all would have been avoided if Sony had just used industry standard Bluetooth remote profiles. We would have had AVRCP-to-IR devices for existing home theater installations and every high-end universal remote would have already added Bluetooth 2.0 to directly support it. Sony's actions are indefensible and I grate my teeth when I read the retards in here defending it. ALL IT NEEDS IS A FIRMWARE UPDATE TO SUPPORT BLUETOOTH AVRCP AND ALL OF THIS WOULD BE SOLVED!
Also, DDR3 holds no real advantages for CPUs from the DDR2 generation, so it's stupid to say that it is "better." Just say that "It's different" and leave it at that. It's for future higher-bandwidth FSBs at the expense of higher latency, but requiring quad-channel DDR2 would not have been any better. If we'd have more latency from the async memory controller for quad-channel DDR2, we might as well just make the new DDR3 modules higher latency to increase the bandwidth and save manufacturers all the costs and complexity of making quad-channel motherboards (cost gets passed on to consumers and having more modules is always harder to stabilize).
Sony used the HID profile which is a standard profile but I'm not saying it is the one they should have used I simply defended sonys decision not to include IR so I hope you are not refering to me with that retard comment. if not who are you refering to? DDR3 is more than just more Mem bandwidth for more latency but thats going off topic.
CZroe
03-31-2008, 11:31 PM
Sony used the HID profile which is a standard profile but I'm not saying it is the one they should have used I simply defended sonys decision not to include IR so I hope you are not refering to me with that retard comment. if not who are you refering to? DDR3 is more than just more Mem bandwidth for more latency but thats going off topic.
HID alone is not a BT profile, hence its application in USB products in the last 10yrs. First of all, it will not pair with all BT2.0 chipsets (my laptop can not even see it in pairing mode). Second, you need GlovePIE, a programable input EMULATOR to make the incomplete HID work. An input device shouldn't require an input emulator. Notice that the SIXAXIS doesn't have a BT logo? It shows up as an HID device, but it is a non-functional one (even with USB). The BT logo is supposed to be a sign of interoperability. They CAN'T put it on the controller and they SHOULDN'T put it on the remote.
Obviously, they can add AVRCP any day. The problem is, anyone buying it as a BD player is costing them money unless they plan on buying a ridiculous amount of BD movies. The remote is just a way for them to lessen that impact of a PS3 sold that isn't selling games. Until the costs catch up to the price, I don't think that will change. Sony could make the same money back by selling a proprietary IR-to-RF adapter, but they never should have billed it "Bluetooth Remote" like they have ("IR Remote" would have sufficed).
They CAN'T put it on the controller and they SHOULDN'T put it on the remote.
Ok so it seems we're not arguing about IR being better than BT we're talking about the BT logo. I can understand that and could see that it may decieve the consumer and I personally think they shouldn't promote it as interoperable but from a legal point of view they have the right to because it uses the HID profile even though it requires a driver. just like using a USB logo you have to comply with the specifications of interoperability in terms of hardware but it may still require drivers on the OS side to work.
they never should have billed it "Bluetooth Remote" like they have ("IR Remote" would have sufficed).
They should have billed it a Bluetooth remote since thats what its using otherwise people would assume its IR which I've been arguing does not suffice. I am slightly glad they pointed out its a BT remote since it promotes the use of BT for remote controls to consumers which may mean consumer electronic devices may pick up on the idea but I also think they should make it very clear that it does not necessarly mean you can use it on any bluetooth device without drivers.
edit: Also HID is a bluetooth profile whether they should have included it as a profile in the specifications may be arguable but for all legal/technical purposes it is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#Human_Interface_Device_Profile_. 28HID.29
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