Speculation - PS3 sales rise on the back of HD-DVD's 'demise'

[Zeus]

One website is reporting that sales of the PS3 on Amazon rose 60 percent last weekend, based on the improving support for the Blu-ray format and declining support for HD DVD. While it is still a little early to draw such conclusions, inevitably the 'resolution' of the format war should bring great news for the PS3 and it's integrated Blu-ray player.



Sales for Sony Corp.'s Playstation 3 rose on Amazon this past weekend following a round of support for the Blu-ray disc high-definition format over Toshiba Corp.'s HD DVD.

On Sat., the 40GB PS3 SKU held a 60 percent increase in sales at Amazon.com to rank in the No. 10 position in the Video Games division.

Each PS3 sold includes a Blu-ray disc drive to play new high-definition format films.

Netflix Inc. last week said that it will discontinue the rental of HD DVD titles by the end of the year.

Best Buy last week said that it would recommend Blu-ray as the preferred high-definition format to in-store and online customers.


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[Nismo34]

What better way to celebrate the death of HD-DVD with a purchase of a nice Blu-Ray player :)

[Kamalot]

It only makes sense. There were a lot of fence-sitters waiting for a clear winner to be announced. Couple that with the fact that the PS3 is the only upgradable Bluray player that will support Bluray 2.0 and you can see why people chose it as a player.

Now, will this help the gaming industry? Sure, cause a bigger install base is better than none. We will have to watch the software sales as time goes on to determine how many people really purchased a PS3 to play games, vs how many purchased the system for movies.

[Rockman_Joey]

What better way to celebrate the death of HD-DVD with a purchase of a nice Blu-Ray player :)

LOL Your signature is a good response to ammmmn's signature!

Anyways, just need Toshiba to show a press release of discontinuing HD DVD

[mg_k]

Well this is going to improve PS3's position in the console war greatly....

Game developers will spend more money and time developing PS3 games due to high install base thanks to blu. They will slowly swift from 360 and make PS3 the main developing platform which will greatly improve the quality of games on PS3 in the future....

Since there is a lot of untapped power in the PS3, game developer will start using more of its spu's and take advantage of its high capacity bluray disk.

It's gonna make porting the game across to 360 a much harder job. We will probably see less quality multiplatform 360 games very soon spanning over 4 DVDs more and more often...:cool:

[danight]

lol... funny :)

You do know if that statement was true then, those devs looking at install base would choose the wii and 360 over the ps3 right.The xbox 360 attachment rate is why you see games ported to the ps3.
xbox 360 = eays to port to pc and ps3.
ps3 = hard to port to anything and ps3 has the smallest user base with low attachment rate.
wii = largest userbase

Sorry but blu-ray might move a couple more ps3`s to movie buffs looking for a not so over price blu-ray player. But they aren't the gamers who buy games and that wont fix the attachment rate and wont encourage devs to make ps3 the lead platform.

[Kamalot]

Well this is going to improve PS3's position in the console war greatly....

Game developers will spend more money and time developing PS3 games due to high install base thanks to blu. They will slowly swift from 360 and make PS3 the main developing platform which will greatly improve the quality of games on PS3 in the future....

Since there is a lot of untapped power in the PS3, game developer will start using more of its spu's and take advantage of its high capacity bluray disk.

It's gonna make porting the game across to 360 a much harder job. We will probably see less quality multiplatform 360 games very soon spanning over 4 DVDs more and more often...:cool:

We will see. Developers already make a LOT of money off of 360 games due to 360 owners buying lots of software. If most people buy the PS3 as a Bluray player, they may be less likely to buy games for the system.

The only way to tell will be to watch the sales figures that come in for games. If the SP3 suddenly starts making more money off of software than the 360, then teams may switch to making the PS3 the lead platform. If PS3 users don't end up buying much software, they may end up with sloppy ports.

[mg_k]

The only way to tell will be to watch the sales figures that come in for games. If the SP3 suddenly starts making more money off of software than the 360, then teams may switch to making the PS3 the lead platform. If PS3 users don't end up buying much software, they may end up with sloppy ports.

Well i am not saying its gonna happen overtime....

Also, game developers look at the install base of the console, regardless of whether ppl bought the PS3 just for games, bluray or bit of both. Higher install base equals higher game and bluray sales. Either way its gonna help the PS3.

[Kamalot]

Well i am not saying its gonna happen overtime....

Also, game developers look at the install base of the console, regardless of whether ppl bought the PS3 just for games, bluray or bit of both. Higher install base equals higher game and bluray sales. Either way its gonna help the PS3.

Yes. The install base will help PS3 game developers. Just remember though, if developers ONLY looked at Install base, then they would be making games for Wii and 360, with the PS3 getting leftovers.

[mg_k]

lol... funny :)
You do know if that statement was true then, those devs looking at install base would choose the wii and 360 over the ps3 right.The xbox 360 attachment rate is why you see games ported to the ps3.
xbox 360 = eays to port to pc and ps3.
ps3 = hard to port to anything and ps3 has the smallest user base with low attachment rate.
wii = largest userbase


What you said is true for NOW. There's no need to tell me the current situation.

We're predicting the effect on the PS3 as bluray has now won the format war....

Wii is in the league of its own. game developers only make crappy games just to make quick bucks. I've heard someone in this forum saying that game developers only make games on the wii just to fund a better game on 360/PS3. e.g. RE:UC on Wii and RE4 on 360/PS3. soul cabilre on wii vs Soul Calibre 4 and plenty more. And i cannot agree more...

[danight]

We're predicting the effect on the PS3 as bluray has now won the format war....

Ok, for debate,lets say blu-ray won and hd-dvd is dead. Say this helps sony move 1 million extra ps3`s. The user base looks tempting but did the attachment rate change? But lets say devs do start to think ps3 is worth becoming the lead console. It would take a year or 2 to get games made if they just now started. If it takes 2 years then wii and xbox 360 will be looking at new consoles coming.

So you know 3rd party devs wont miss out on the chance to be ready this time like they missed with the wii. Thats not to say if the rumor is true and microsoft buys out epic. Imagine having a new box made and running the unreal 4 engine on. This would give devs a chance to get a fast start on the next gen.

But all of that aside. Blu-ray will help move some ps3`s. But those people who buy a ps3 for movies need to buy games as well. While blu-ray winning would be great for sony. Wii and the xbox 360 could be looking at the golden price tag of $199.00 this year. Now that is when consoles really start to sell.
In any case it should be a good year for every gamer no matter what system you like.

But until blu-ray proves its not just a "laser disk fad" then its not gonna help sony win the console war. If blu-ray can earn the name dvd killer. Then yes it will help sony a lot. But the time frame for that to happen could land us into the ps4 leaving ps3 as the cheap blu-ray player. There is no way ps3 will survive 10 years by itself and if a new xbox and wii come out by 2010 or 2011 then sony will follow suit.

Lets face it. The ps3 is work in progress and time is a factor for the console war. Sony wont wanna go into next gen making the same mistakes they did this gen. Over priced system with weak game line up and a half asses network thats considered a copy of the competitions.

So the question becomes. Can blu-ray hurt the dvd enough to make consumers except it as a replacement media and can it be done fast enough for sony not to have to worry about new wii`s and xbox`s coming out.

[Xenogears V]

It's normal, now there is a only high definition format.

[gudrun]

I'm just waiting for Toshiba to just admit defeat and announce it's first Blu-Ray player.

[danight]

I just read on another site that toshiba is denying the doom rumors. But thats expected, atleast until they are ready to close it up.

[ammmmn]

only thing its used for :')

[madcap08]

It will be interesting to see what happens....

[Blazeking]

LOL Your signature is a good response to ammmmn's signature!

Doesn't matter, I hate both of the sigs. That "subliminal" **** is annoying as hell!
You know what's even worse? They're both in the same thread now.

This is the reason people buy the wii, no **** like this. It's pathetic.

[sigma8]

lol... funny :)

You do know if that statement was true then, those devs looking at install base would choose the wii and 360 over the ps3 right.The xbox 360 attachment rate is why you see games ported to the ps3.
xbox 360 = eays to port to pc and ps3.
ps3 = hard to port to anything and ps3 has the smallest user base with low attachment rate.
wii = largest userbase

Sorry but blu-ray might move a couple more ps3`s to movie buffs looking for a not so over price blu-ray player. But they aren't the gamers who buy games and that wont fix the attachment rate and wont encourage devs to make ps3 the lead platform.
You realize nothing you say is true, right? Except the Wii stuff.

If you're going to go by dev comments, I've seen devs go on record saying that it's hard to port from Xbox360 to the PS3, and much easier to port from the PS3 to the Xbox360. Of course, you just like to say crap, so I'll try to remember "why" that was the case. I'm not a dev for either system, so take this with a grain of salt.. but the reason I read for it, was that the PS3's non-unified memory architecture encourages a style of development that is, in fact, very efficient...and can easily be adapted to the 360's less rigid architecture. However, the 360 doesn't really enforce any stringent requirements on how devs handle memory, and it can be a pain in the butt to implement a more "loose" bit of code on the PS3.

In short: you're most likely wrong again. I should seriously keep a scoreboard. It's almost every post you make.

I've gone on at length.. last month I think.. about the attachment rates for the consoles. PS3 attachment rate for decently rated (and better) games is virtually identical to the 360's attachment rate. The Xbox360 has no real appreciable attachment rate advantage.

Numerical evidence suggests that people are using the PS3 as both a gaming machine AND a movie machine... And much like how 360 owners probably haven't stopped viewing DVD's altogether, both habits are able to cheerfully coexist without eating into one another.

Xbox360 players play Xbox games and watch DVD's.
PS3 players play PS3 games and watch blurays.

There's not really any reason to conclude that their game purchasing is reduced because their machine plays high-def movies. At least, no more than general movie viewing reduces game purchasing for any platform.

[sigma8]

Ok, for debate,lets say blu-ray won and hd-dvd is dead. Say this helps sony move 1 million extra ps3`s. The user base looks tempting but did the attachment rate change? But lets say devs do start to think ps3 is worth becoming the lead console. It would take a year or 2 to get games made if they just now started. If it takes 2 years then wii and xbox 360 will be looking at new consoles coming.
Hey, go to vgchartz sometime, and use math and check out the attachment rates yourself on individual games. Do it on several games. Do it on popular, multiplatform games. It's nice to say that Xbox360 owners have bought more games overall, too bad it's meaningless, since it's been out an extra year. Going forward, PS3 owners are buying AS MANY GAMES as Xbox360 owners are buying games. Do PS3 owners have games from winter of 2005? Of course not. However, sales in the past are not helping sales in the future. Just because people were buying Kameo in 2005, doesn't mean that GTA4 will do better "per capita" on the 360 than the PS3. It will sell more copies on the 360, of course.. because there are more 360's on the market, but in terms of how sales are proportionate to the install-base, it should be about the same as the PS3.

And about the "year or two" to make things. You realize we're seeing the fruits of that now? And the fruits are: multiplatform releases. Everyone has already assumed the PS3 would be pertinent. They decided this 1-2 years ago. And now their assumptions are being proven entirely and predictably correct.


But all of that aside. Blu-ray will help move some ps3`s. But those people who buy a ps3 for movies need to buy games as well. While blu-ray winning would be great for sony. Wii and the xbox 360 could be looking at the golden price tag of $199.00 this year. Now that is when consoles really start to sell.
In any case it should be a good year for every gamer no matter what system you like.
Most people buying bluray movies DO buy games. Can't say this enough times to ram it into your skull though. It's pretty pointless I guess. In terms of game sales, the PS3 may as well not even include a bluray player. The platform is selling games very nicely. What it needs are more highly rated games. Multiplayer ones, too. More games like CoD4, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted.. It needs some RPG's like Mass Effect, and some more online multiplayer titles. Also, PS3 manufacturing costs appear to be dropping more quickly than the 360's. It always helps when you're not producing units where 10-20% of them are defective. I would expect the PS3 to be--visibly--very price-competitive with the 360 by Christmas...not that it already isn't, given what's integrated.


But until blu-ray proves its not just a "laser disk fad" then its not gonna help sony win the console war. If blu-ray can earn the name dvd killer. Then yes it will help sony a lot. But the time frame for that to happen could land us into the ps4 leaving ps3 as the cheap blu-ray player. There is no way ps3 will survive 10 years by itself and if a new xbox and wii come out by 2010 or 2011 then sony will follow suit.
It's not going to be a DVD killer, but it's already doing way better than Laserdisc ever did.[/quote]


Lets face it. The ps3 is work in progress and time is a factor for the console war. Sony wont wanna go into next gen making the same mistakes they did this gen. Over priced system with weak game line up and a half asses network thats considered a copy of the competitions.

So the question becomes. Can blu-ray hurt the dvd enough to make consumers except it as a replacement media and can it be done fast enough for sony not to have to worry about new wii`s and xbox`s coming out.

Sony went into this round trying to establish the next movie format for probably the following 20 years. Talk up downloads all you want, we need a disc format. Bluray's success on the movie front has apparently convinced Toshiba to abandon production of HD-DVD altogether. Meaning that blu-ray will not only be used for movies, but also will replace DVD-R/DVD-RW for PC's and archival uses. It's not like Sony had to win that. They did just fine when VHS and DVD were king. It's nice for them, though. It was probably worth struggling a bit with their videogame console for a year. I'm sure it will pay for itself.

Anyway, the next iteration of consoles--assuming they don't use some kind of flash ram or something other than an optical disc--will most likely use bluray. They don't have to go through that struggle twice.

[sigma8]

Dang, I wanted to also add--to nobody in particular--that I expect MS to release a blu-ray add-on in short order.

The sooner they can release a blu-ray drive, the sooner people will stop buying PS3's simply to play blu-rays. If they refuse to a release a blu-ray add-on, you will have lots of current, non-total-fanboy sony hater 360 owners (which, sorry danight, is probably most 360 owners) ... thinking that they might as well buy a PS3 so they can also watch blurays and hey, they get a PS3 too.

If the Xbox360 could play blurays, they might find a $150 add-on easier to swallow.

Releasing a bluray addon will help the success of the blu-ray format, but it will stifle the success of the PS3, since some of its success stems from the fact that it's the only console that can play blurays.

[benny32]

I wouldnt buy a ps3 for blue ray. I would rather buy a stand alone. I would however buy a PS3 for games.:confused:

Funny how Sony is still waiting to deliver. I am enjoying the Sixaxis on my pc right now though. What a great PC controller. It has the most accurate sticks on a controller I have ever used:eek:.

Play Goldeneye with the sixaxis and you will see how accurate the sticks really are. :)

[Azariel]

Maybe Toshiba get revenge selling $250 BD players :D

[gudrun]

HD-DVD is dead and I'm drinking and watching 300 on Blu-Ray tonight to celebrate. :D

'This is madness!' 'Madness? This is Blu-Ray!!!'

[will252]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7252172.stm

For anyone who thinks HD-DVD will survive.

[Gamer87]

Ok, for debate,lets say blu-ray won and hd-dvd is dead. Say this helps sony move 1 million extra ps3`s. The user base looks tempting but did the attachment rate change? But lets say devs do start to think ps3 is worth becoming the lead console. It would take a year or 2 to get games made if they just now started. If it takes 2 years then wii and xbox 360 will be looking at new consoles coming.

Lets face it. The ps3 is work in progress and time is a factor for the console war. Sony wont wanna go into next gen making the same mistakes they did this gen. Over priced system with weak game line up and a half asses network thats considered a copy of the competitions.

Damn, how much more of an Xbot can you be with your mostly biased rantings in PS3 related threads.

As for the first thing you said, according to the article will252 has posted, the war is now officially over and the future is Blu.

[mjg562]

yo all hd dvd fanboys stfu. blu ray won. accept it eat your own doubts and shtty comment about blu ray. and stop bringing up the dl hd content as a hd dvd fall back for your support.